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The Official NiGHTS: Journey of Dreams thread
- Thread starter Segata Sanshiro
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Everything we missed in November/December is actually released in January/February.Nakasan said:
January: DBZ:BT3, NiGHTS, Ghost Squad, Harvest Moon, Donkey Kong Jet Race, Geometry Wars, Zack & Wiki
February: Battalion Wars II, Medal of Honor Heroes 2, Manhunt 2, Destroy All Humans, No More Heroes, De Blob, Guilty Gear, Star Trek: Conquest, Bully, Bomberman Land
March starts with Fire Emblem
So I had my first hands on with tne game and well, I have mixed feelings.
The beginning is slow and dull. The graphic engine is awful when close, so having to go through horribly scripted sequences with such graphics is a pain in the ass. Then it comes the tutorial, which is oddly nice, but it lacks something. Doing loops with the wiimote is pretty complicated because of the crappy pointer calibration.
Then some time after, you get to play like Nights in a real stage and that's a whole different game. Navigating the guided scenarios is a very relaxing experience. But not only relaxing, because there're these rings you must follow and clear as fast as you can so you earn points to grade the stage. Of course by the time I'm in this stage I've switched to analog stick controls that work very well.
I've not played beyond the first stage, clocking almost an hour of which the first 30 minutes were absolute waste. When you get to play as Nights the game is sweet. My only fear is you don't get to play him as often as you should.
Besides, I wrote a first impressions in spanish. If you feel like reading it, it's here.
The beginning is slow and dull. The graphic engine is awful when close, so having to go through horribly scripted sequences with such graphics is a pain in the ass. Then it comes the tutorial, which is oddly nice, but it lacks something. Doing loops with the wiimote is pretty complicated because of the crappy pointer calibration.
Then some time after, you get to play like Nights in a real stage and that's a whole different game. Navigating the guided scenarios is a very relaxing experience. But not only relaxing, because there're these rings you must follow and clear as fast as you can so you earn points to grade the stage. Of course by the time I'm in this stage I've switched to analog stick controls that work very well.
I've not played beyond the first stage, clocking almost an hour of which the first 30 minutes were absolute waste. When you get to play as Nights the game is sweet. My only fear is you don't get to play him as often as you should.
Besides, I wrote a first impressions in spanish. If you feel like reading it, it's here.
Reminds me of the dull moments in Sonic secret Rings. The tutorial levels sucked ass and took way to long, after that you get to the real game and it's awesome, but Sonic is crippled untill the third world and you need to do all kinds of lame challenges. On the other side the game had some really awesome levels like the Dino Jungle, Factory, Night Palace etc. It's good to see that SEGA is doing something else than Sonic and sports/action games, SEGA Rally and NiGHTS are a good start!fresquito said:
_Alkaline_
Member
It's ironic how this game was touted as born for the wiimote, but ultimately it plays terribly with it. :\
Segata Sanshiro
Member
Segata is Canadian, so if we're lucky, maybe later today, but most likely not until tomorrow.McBradders said:
Lobster said:So basically..flying=sweet, everything else=average
I can live with thatThe NiGHTS sections look awesome..and maybe you can skip cutscenes once you've seen them once?
More like:
Flying: OK but not feeling it, and nowhere as perfect as in the original.
Everything else: A bit of vomit in your mouth
Panajev2001a
GAF's Pleasant Genius
Mdk7 said:
No, that gives me the idea that S-S would only greenlight this project if:
a.) was on Wii ('cause dev costs are cheaper and the market is on fire)
b.) could be developed under a tight deadline (which fortunately for us was extended)
Panajev2001a
GAF's Pleasant Genius
Mdk7 said:
The way NiGHTS is as a game ? It should have been a PSN/XBLA next-generation release with a Wii/Wii Ware version and on all three services I would have also expected to see the original ported/emulated title show up.
A proper sequel COMPLETELY based on the Wiimote (maybe à la Wii plane tech demo by Nintendo), made with passion and the right amount of time and $$$ could have been a fucking BLAST: since the Wiimote unveiling back in 2005 people have dreamed of a Wii remote controlled NiGHTS.Panajev2001a said:
I second you on the ported original idea of course!
For the amount of unnecessary instruction the tutorial provides, you'd think they'd leave you some sort of clue about what you actually need to do to defeat a boss. You're given a vague hint when it starts, and eventually you can figure it out, but getting there takes some work.
In the original you could intuitively figure out what needed to be done to beat a boss, but with
, I initially had no clue wtf I was supposed to be doing. Kind of frustrating.
In the original you could intuitively figure out what needed to be done to beat a boss, but with
Girania and Chamelan
Segata Sanshiro
Member
It's in :x
Ok, got the game.
I can see the game's faults. There are a lot of them. But for some reason, I can't help but smile when I'm playing.
Things:
- NiGHTS's voice isn't nearly as bad as I thought it would be. If the cutscenes ran at more than 1fps, they actually would be pretty cute.
- You can barely hear Helen's voice.
- Flying, at first, frustrated the hell out of me. Then I did that level with the Octopaw, where you have to get over 25 links five times, over and over again. I ended up getting 70 as my highest. The controls are really coming together.
- But they're still stiff. For some reason, it doesn't feel exactly precise. It's workable, however.
- I think I'm about to have my first kid only mission. Wish me luck :-\
- "My Dream" is a waste of time. I thought the Chao were cool and fun, but the Nightopians really have nothing to them. Very disappointing.
- Kids run and jump awkwardly. The platforming is going to suck, I know it.
- They keys nearly aren't as bad as I would've thought them to be, but now it really stresses getting it all done in one lap while keeping your links (and yes, you can keep linking for one lap if you're good enough, just after that lap, the blue spheres go away). The point is to finish as fast as possible while not missing a ring. Definitely different, but still a challenge.
- The first boss was awesome, ONCE YOU FIGURE OUT HOW TO BEAT IT. Can't wait for the rest.
- The stupid bubble level was AWFUL. I still don't know how to do that correctly.
- FANTASTIC MUSIC. Especially in the Dream Gate.
I can see the game's faults. There are a lot of them. But for some reason, I can't help but smile when I'm playing.
Things:
- NiGHTS's voice isn't nearly as bad as I thought it would be. If the cutscenes ran at more than 1fps, they actually would be pretty cute.
- You can barely hear Helen's voice.
- Flying, at first, frustrated the hell out of me. Then I did that level with the Octopaw, where you have to get over 25 links five times, over and over again. I ended up getting 70 as my highest. The controls are really coming together.
- But they're still stiff. For some reason, it doesn't feel exactly precise. It's workable, however.
- I think I'm about to have my first kid only mission. Wish me luck :-\
- "My Dream" is a waste of time. I thought the Chao were cool and fun, but the Nightopians really have nothing to them. Very disappointing.
- Kids run and jump awkwardly. The platforming is going to suck, I know it.
- They keys nearly aren't as bad as I would've thought them to be, but now it really stresses getting it all done in one lap while keeping your links (and yes, you can keep linking for one lap if you're good enough, just after that lap, the blue spheres go away). The point is to finish as fast as possible while not missing a ring. Definitely different, but still a challenge.
- The first boss was awesome, ONCE YOU FIGURE OUT HOW TO BEAT IT. Can't wait for the rest.
- The stupid bubble level was AWFUL. I still don't know how to do that correctly.
- FANTASTIC MUSIC. Especially in the Dream Gate.
SlasherJPC
Banned
Amir0x said:
Great review!
SlasherJPC
Banned
Amir0x said:
Well you did only play for an hour anyways. You can't bear to see if things get better?
Segata Sanshiro
Member
I appreciate that you aren't Amir0xing this thread, good sir. I'll give Iizuka an extra punch in the gut for you when the revolution comes.Amir0x said:
slasher_thrasher21 said:
Right now, first hour, game is like a 2/10. I don't actually know if I can stomach any more, and I played Horse Life. I don't know if that's because I don't want to see the brutalization of such a classic games name, or if it's because it's just stinking so loudly that it's offensive but!
No I probably will play it a little more before Friday, in case...
...Jesus comes back
SlasherJPC
Banned
Amir0x said:
Well maybe you expected it to be too much like the original? maybe they tried to add a bit of variety to it but also alienated original fan? I'm as fan as well so I'm honestly wondering what my impressions are going to be once I get to play it... hmmmm
Segata Sanshiro
Member
Super Mario Bros. did well without any powerups besides the mushroom and the fire flower. Just because something works, doesn't mean you shouldn't strive to evolve it. Yeah, sometimes it doesn't work and you splatter on the pavement, but if people didn't try to push past "it's fine", we'd never get anywhere.BSTF said:
SlasherJPC
Banned
StevieP said:
I had a hard time with Sonic at first but by the mid point it all gel'd so well together for me I loved it by the end.
After the first level and a half I can say the controls are sluggish, the story is stupid/unnecessary, the voice acting is pathetic and it seems to lack any sort of score attack mode. All in all its a massive downgrade from the original but still decent compared to most other Wii games.
Segata Sanshiro said:
I fail to see how something that was seamless in the first game would have to require a powerup in the sequel and how that's an evolution.
How do you improve on NiGHTs really? Well there's the graphics, more stages, the length of the game, boss battles and some better direction in some of the levels.
I don't see how platforming, or masks, or cutscenes, my dream, bird with a key, helps evolve the series at all, but maybe you could explain it for me.
AdmiralViscen
Banned
Segata, I'm having a harder and harder time staying with you on this.
I'm starting to hope it's not under the Christmas tree.
I'm starting to hope it's not under the Christmas tree.
Segata Sanshiro
Member
I don't know, how do capes, dinosaurs, and a giant shoe make Super Mario Bros. better? I'm not a game designer, I don't get paid to figure this shit out. They tried something more and failed. It doesn't mean it's not worth trying.BSTF said:
Admiral, I haven't been in denial about the negative impressions by any means. I think I was the first person to post about Jonny's impressions from the stankhole. I'm worried about how well I'll like it too, but I guess I'll know pretty soon.
AdmiralViscen
Banned
I know you're not in denial. I was weathering the bad impressions and reviews, knowing I asked for it for Christmas to avoid wasting my money. But I'm starting to get to the point where I hope my mother was too lazy to check EB this late in the season.
Oh, and the platforming: horrendous. Terrible really. Thank god the level was short. Maybe if I felt like I was controlling something besides a wooden stick and I had a workable camera it would be different.
The game is still fun when you're flying, albeit not as smooth as the original. Still, I'm going to give the game some more time to see if it gets any better.
The game is still fun when you're flying, albeit not as smooth as the original. Still, I'm going to give the game some more time to see if it gets any better.
Segata Sanshiro said:
When you arent capable of evolving the gameplay, which sega clearly isnt, you shouldnt bother. I would have been happy with a few new levels and bosses. Wii Nights only really shines when it sticks as closely as possible to the original. Is definitely not a BAD game so far, its just not nearly as good. I REALLY wish they spent some more time getting the controls to feel as tight as the did on Saturn, is it that difficult?
StevieP said:
Sonic Wii sucked from begining to end.
Segata Sanshiro said:
Those Mario comparison isn't really valid.
A better comparison would be holding the B button to run in SMB and then having to collect a running powerup in SMB2. Makes very little sense doesn't it.
ivysaur12 said:
I'm fine with sequels, but I don't remember people complaining about NiGHTs because there weren't any cutscenes or because there were no platforming elements. Maybe the Mario fans that owned a Saturn but that isn't what NiGHTS is. Just look at how bad the Sonic gift was in Christmas NiGHTS, I don't see how many NiGHTS fan would really want more of that. Why add things that aren't needed and apparently hurt the game?
TheDuce22 said:
I really don't understand how the controls can't feel as tight as the original. They have the game code, they've played it before, how hard can it be? That's probably the most disappointing thing about the game. It really needed another 6+ months of development, at least.
Or maybe a different team. Can we just get rid of Sonic Team USA?
EDIT: Really though, the game isn't an abomination as some are making it out to be. It's still ok, and it has a really great sense of style. Also, the flying isn't horrible. But why isn't it as good? It just doesn't make much sense to me.
Its not as good because none of these shitty challenges work as well as the original design, which they didnt even include. Thats just how fucking stupid sega has become. And as I mentioned before the controls arent as tight, which is huge. I havent gotten to the platforming stages yet but I would imagine theyre horrible.