I got the game a couple hours ago. I agree with many of the faults, but personally Im enjoying the game. Its actually a bit harder than I expected too, which is good. the music is fucking awesome. Overall, its a C-grade game Id say. Definitely not AS tight in the control department, but it hasnt ruined it for me. I got used to it. The only thing I dont like at all is the unskippable cutscenes. Other than that, Im happy with this game. Sorry if some of you arent. I guess thats just how it is.
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The Official NiGHTS: Journey of Dreams thread
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no, because MArio controls are pretty spot on. I think its just Sega not optimizing the controls well. I do notice that when you drill dash its hard to change direction. I dont remember if that was in the original game or not but it means you have to sort of tap b to dash and change direction so you dont beeline into a cliffside or something. It takes getting used to.Chao said:
I hate to say this (since I loved the original), but I'm with Amir0x on this one.
I'm not opposed to adding new things, evolving gameplay, but at least make the transition easier by allowing us the pure Nights experience (a time-attack with flying levels only mode would have been nice for starters). I HATE the fluff (can't skip cutscenes, stupid story, stupid british owl, stupid graphics on everything but bosses and traditional levels...ugh!).
And to top it off, the controls for the flying levels have somehow gotten worse! It's like there are only 8 distinct angles Nights can be aimed at (where as on Saturn, it was much more analog), so this causes some missed chains when the camera angles change fast. Could be a side-effect of the wiistick having notches around the edge.
I give it an X/10 (x= amount of flying levels in the game). I think 5 or 6, so THAT out of ten.
Any word on the PS2 remake?
I'm not opposed to adding new things, evolving gameplay, but at least make the transition easier by allowing us the pure Nights experience (a time-attack with flying levels only mode would have been nice for starters). I HATE the fluff (can't skip cutscenes, stupid story, stupid british owl, stupid graphics on everything but bosses and traditional levels...ugh!).
And to top it off, the controls for the flying levels have somehow gotten worse! It's like there are only 8 distinct angles Nights can be aimed at (where as on Saturn, it was much more analog), so this causes some missed chains when the camera angles change fast. Could be a side-effect of the wiistick having notches around the edge.
I give it an X/10 (x= amount of flying levels in the game). I think 5 or 6, so THAT out of ten.
Any word on the PS2 remake?
Ok, I'm playing the Sea Garden level over and over and over and over again. The controls aren't tight enough. The rights and spheres are too far away and there are too few of them. And the stupid fucking bird.
Ugh, I want to like this game. I really do.
EDIT: Oh, and I plugged in the Classic Controller to see how that felt. It was... different. I might give that a go again to see if it fixes my controller woes.
Ugh, I want to like this game. I really do.
EDIT: Oh, and I plugged in the Classic Controller to see how that felt. It was... different. I might give that a go again to see if it fixes my controller woes.
Cosmonaut X
Member
I'm going to wait and try this for myself - God knows, GAF consensus has been well out of kilter with my own tastes plenty of times before - but the impressions here are very disheartening.
If Sonic Team have failed to nail the analogue controls (!) in what generally appears to be the best part of the game then I have little hope for anything else. The only glimmer at the moment is that - as with Sonic and the Secret Rings - there may be a decent game buried in there, in spite of the best efforts of the developers to fuck it up.
If Sonic Team have failed to nail the analogue controls (!) in what generally appears to be the best part of the game then I have little hope for anything else. The only glimmer at the moment is that - as with Sonic and the Secret Rings - there may be a decent game buried in there, in spite of the best efforts of the developers to fuck it up.
Nobodyspatzy
Member
Hmm, speaking of this game, has anyone noticed (on the official US site) that they (Sega) mention the original is coming to Gametap...albeit emulated?
It is mentioned under the "Story" section of the site...under, "Behind the Story" And it says the following (for those who may not have found it...):
So, maybe if we don't get a good NiGHTS game on Wii, maybe we can at least get the original... =/
It is mentioned under the "Story" section of the site...under, "Behind the Story" And it says the following (for those who may not have found it...):
emphasis added...
So, maybe if we don't get a good NiGHTS game on Wii, maybe we can at least get the original... =/
Calints Neos
Member
Yeah the voice acting is pretty good.
So far I'm enjoying this game alot and my only gripe is with the controls.
So far I'm enjoying this game alot and my only gripe is with the controls.
bigmakstudios
Banned
Dammit. There's no way in hell my computer could emulate Saturn. I want a port... not an emulation.
Honestly, I would prefer if Sega brought NiGHTS into Dreams to Xbox 360 Live Arcade, HD resolution and all.
Honestly, I would prefer if Sega brought NiGHTS into Dreams to Xbox 360 Live Arcade, HD resolution and all.
Segata Sanshiro
Member
I'm sorry, guys. I like it.
Details later, I'm a couple hours in.
Details later, I'm a couple hours in.
MAZYORA
Member
Anyone else notice that the the voice of the owl is the same person who voiced Seaman for dreamcast?
http://youtube.com/watch?v=_6GtNjkwfOA
http://youtube.com/watch?v=jZWOwtp0k6A
http://youtube.com/watch?v=_6GtNjkwfOA
http://youtube.com/watch?v=jZWOwtp0k6A
GrotesqueBeauty
Banned
After reading all the impressions and reviews I'm pretty disappointed with some of the bad design choices, but for the most part it's still getting better reviews than Dewy's Adventure (IGN being the notable exception) and I enjoyed that game despite the less than glowing impressions.
I think Sega was crazy to release the game against stiff holiday competition when giving it a little more time to cook and pushing it to early spring when there's more breathing room for software seems like it would clearly be to their benefit.
I think Sega was crazy to release the game against stiff holiday competition when giving it a little more time to cook and pushing it to early spring when there's more breathing room for software seems like it would clearly be to their benefit.
Segata Sanshiro
Member
Anyone who's playing the game know how to hit
when he's
Wizeman
throwing the fireballs at you? Doesn't seem to work like in the original NiGHTS.
Segata Sanshiro
Member
Heh, guess I'm the only one that's gotten that far.
Segata Sanshiro
Member
Bless you sirsarcoa said:
Spike said:
it's like they had this formula that worked, and they went down the checklist of how to systematically deconstruct it. Everything that worked phenomenally in the original, is either super unpolished and has wonky controls here, or is so boring or lame that it defies logic. Even the flight, which should be at least where the game shines, is held back by like issues - a less than solid framerate making it lose crucial fluidity and far less than ideal controls. But if it was just these - even factoring in the newly implemented flaws and pacing issues and structural changes which rape the addictive nature from the first game - the game would be a 6 out of 10. But it's not just those, it's these fucking horrific in between segments which horrible everything included which firmly place this shit at junker 2~4/10 level. *shudder*
Sorry I'm frustrated now, because it seems we have no chance to get a legitimately good NiGHTS game with the remake either. Because SEGA only makes stupid decisions these days. Sorry, SEGATA, I don't want to "Amir0x" your thread but this game is continually pissing me off.
Amir0x said:
Holy shit, I never thought I'd say this to one of Ami's posts, but:
100% Agreed.
The frustrating part of all this is that this could have all been avoided. All it needed was another 4-6 months on strictly polishing up, and it would've been much better. But Sega, in their infinite wisdom, wanted the Xmas sales and wanted to launch before SSBB. So, this is what we get.
Segata Sanshiro
Member
Okay, I've finished Helen's path. I'm not going to keep you guys waiting any longer for my impressions, because I think I've played enough to be sure.
I love it.
Here is the entire sum of my problems with the game:
The masks are largely useless.
The story really didn't need to be there.
Some of the "non-traditional" levels aren't all that fun.
That's the lot.
It's worth pointing out that the game has as many "traditional" levels as the original NiGHTS in its entirety. Not all of the "non-traditional" levels suck, some are quite fun.
The game is stylish and often beautiful. The game is, as Shane said in his EGM review, slavishly faithful to the original. The music is excellent. The controls are slightly different, and it takes a level or two to get a handle on the subtle differences, especially if you've been playing the original recently.
The bosses are god-damned inspired.
You can skip some cutscenes. Unfortunately the only way to know if you can is to try. You only have to restart the "world" if you lose to a boss. If you lose on any of the stages, you can restart from that stage.
Honestly, I'm not sure how someone that loved the original NiGHTS could be so unhappy with this as to push it away. It's a different game in a lot of ways, and it cribs so much from the original that it doesn't have that originality going for it, but really... I'm happy. I'm quite happy.
Thus, whatever anyone else says about it from here on out really doesn't matter one flying fuck to me. I waited eleven years, I didn't think I'd ever see it, now I have it, and against my greatest fears, I loved it. THANK YOU, SEGA.
edit: oh, and in case anyone was dumb enough to try, don't bother with the wiimote controls. Go right to the pad, you'll be fine.
I love it.
Here is the entire sum of my problems with the game:
The masks are largely useless.
The story really didn't need to be there.
Some of the "non-traditional" levels aren't all that fun.
That's the lot.
It's worth pointing out that the game has as many "traditional" levels as the original NiGHTS in its entirety. Not all of the "non-traditional" levels suck, some are quite fun.
The game is stylish and often beautiful. The game is, as Shane said in his EGM review, slavishly faithful to the original. The music is excellent. The controls are slightly different, and it takes a level or two to get a handle on the subtle differences, especially if you've been playing the original recently.
The bosses are god-damned inspired.
You can skip some cutscenes. Unfortunately the only way to know if you can is to try. You only have to restart the "world" if you lose to a boss. If you lose on any of the stages, you can restart from that stage.
Honestly, I'm not sure how someone that loved the original NiGHTS could be so unhappy with this as to push it away. It's a different game in a lot of ways, and it cribs so much from the original that it doesn't have that originality going for it, but really... I'm happy. I'm quite happy.
Thus, whatever anyone else says about it from here on out really doesn't matter one flying fuck to me. I waited eleven years, I didn't think I'd ever see it, now I have it, and against my greatest fears, I loved it. THANK YOU, SEGA.
edit: oh, and in case anyone was dumb enough to try, don't bother with the wiimote controls. Go right to the pad, you'll be fine.
Guybrush Threepwood
Banned
This game is Sega's trap card.
It really isn't worth $50, but if a lot of people don't buy it there is absolutely zero chance of this ever coming to North America:
I weep.
It really isn't worth $50, but if a lot of people don't buy it there is absolutely zero chance of this ever coming to North America:
I weep.
Spike said:
Considering all the billion problems this game has, it'd probably take more than 4~6 months to fix it. I'm going to fucking import NiGHTS PS2, and then send a copy to SEGA with the words "next time when you design a sequel, study the fucking original."
It reminds me of the great disparity between companies Nintendo and SEGA now. The one difference, Nintendo takes care of its properties... you'll NEVER see one of their cherished franchises lacking such polish. It's insane how they treat this shit. SEGA of old would rarely do something like this, but I guess the talent is gone.
MiamiWesker
Member
Segata Sanshiro said:
I usually agree with you on most sega games so I am hoping that is the way I feel. But I am not convinced enough to buy it so I will be waiting for it to hit blockbuster, hopefully by friday they have it.
EDIT: But I also agree with Amirox on a bunch of games as well, hmm, should be interesting to see where I fit.
Segata Sanshiro
Member
It's only a bit longer than the first one. You'll probably be able to cap it off in a rental.MiamiWesker said:
PataHikari
Banned
Amir0x has a wrong opinion.Amir0x said:
In other news the sun rose this morning.
Spike said:
Honestly don't know. It's not like SEGA -never- makes anything good - Virtua Fighter 5 and Sonic Rush/Adventure are the only three I've liked from them in ages, admittedly - but I thought they'd have some remaining bit of respect for NiGHTS. They didn't whore this shit for years, they let it ferment and the cherished memories were so happy. And then they return, I was so glad, and they give us THIS.
SEGA must have a mini team of talent that just shuffles around from project to project, so you shuffle a dice and maybe one out of every twenty projects ends up decent-to-good.
MiamiWesker
Member
Segata Sanshiro said:
I want to be clear on this, the ranking system from the original, is it there or not. I know they still give ranks but is it the same way in the original where you need to fit in as many laps as possible and get massive chains to get the highest scores? Thats what I loved about the original. It could be beat in a few hours but that game had incredible replayablility, if this game has that I would think about getting it for christmas, but that is the only way.