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The Official Street Fighter IV Thread of FADCing a Stranger in the Alps

"yeah, i ran into shine's sagat on xbl last week...lots of random tiger uppercuts iirc, lost to my shitty guile. this dude beat sanford at a tourney?"

Only in one match. Shine got worked in the grand finals pretty nastily.
 

Wallach

Member
FindMyFarms said:
He beat sanford in the winners bracket, but sanford came back and beat him 6-0 in the grand finals.

The kid pretty much had the fuckin stars align as he had the luckiest tourney run ever in the history of sf4.

He'll probably show up again. To be honest though I don't think the kid's Gouken game would be that bad if he'd work on his throw techs. Kid's only 15 so he's got some catching up to do in terms of learning match-ups and execution.

It's like the old Lefty saying "I'd rather be lucky than good"; only one of those things can you work on and get better at.
 
Wallach said:
He'll probably show up again. To be honest though I don't think the kid's Gouken game would be that bad if he'd work on his throw techs. Kid's only 15 so he's got some catching up to do in terms of learning match-ups and execution.

It's like the old Lefty saying "I'd rather be lucky than good"; only one of those things can you work on and get better at.

Well the thing is, the young bucks are supposed to be the execution wizards since they have all the free time in the world. Case in point is Wolfkrone, aka spidey pad Viper that can do all her shit on a crappy ass pad, pretty ridiculous, and he's 15 as well (or somewhere around that age range.) Also, Wolfkrone is actually good.

With regards to Shine, he has way more to work on that just throw techs. Nothing wrong with being lucky instead of good, but being lucky only works once.
 

Wallach

Member
FindMyFarms said:
Well the thing is, the young bucks are supposed to be the execution wizards since they have all the free time in the world. Case in point is Wolfkrone, aka spidey pad Viper that can do all her shit on a crappy ass pad, pretty ridiculous, and he's 15 as well (or somewhere around that age range.) Also, Wolfkrone is actually good.

With regards to Shine, he has way more to work on that just throw techs. Nothing wrong with being lucky instead of good, but being lucky only works once.

Wolfkrone is definitely a better player, I'm not saying otherwise. Shine's definitely nowhere near the level of guys like Sanford, certainly.

I guess my point is, luck doesn't only work once. Fuck, guessing has always been a big part of this game and it costs people matches all the time. I'd rather see someone go and try rather than not just because they think they aren't good enough. The latter is exactly how you don't get better. Watching someone do the former and get lucky is not only more entertaining, but much more in the spirit of competition, and in the end better for the community.
 

Relix

he's Virgin Tight™
gutter_trash said:
I main E.Honda and here is my ranking of boring match-ups

Chun-Li
Seth
Blanka
Guile
Sagat
Balrog
Dhalsim
Ken
Ryu
Akuma
Rose

all of the above are highly boring to fight against

SF4 in general has more boring match-ups than SF3 or SF2 had, I hope they spike things up in Super because this turtling, Ultra sitting, crossing-up happy blah bores me to ends often at times

Yeah they are boring because those are bad matchups for Honda, especially Chun. At least when I play against Honda I just rush the fatass and he can't do a thing. Of course every once in a while there's a worthy Honda but those are far in between. Seth can just stay all night punching in the air. Guile is aturtle. Sagat.... well how are you gonna get into that.

You realize you just put half the roster in the boring match ups list right? =P Main Akuma, all fights would be intense then (I am learning the mofo =P)
 
Wallach said:
Wolfkrone is definitely a better player, I'm not saying otherwise. Shine's definitely nowhere near the level of guys like Sanford, certainly.

I guess my point is, luck doesn't only work once. Fuck, guessing has always been a big part of this game and it costs people matches all the time. I'd rather see someone go and try rather than not just because they think they aren't good enough. The latter is exactly how you don't get better. Watching someone do the former and get lucky is not only more entertaining, but much more in the spirit of competition, and in the end better for the community.

Huh? I wasn't proposing the kid not come out anymore nor did I bring up what's good for the community:lol . I'm just saying he got lucky. And not in the "I guess right" luck, but in the "I just hit 9 half court shots in a row" lucky. Don't really care if it entertains people or not, just pointing out that he was flat out lucky.
 

DR2K

Banned
FindMyFarms said:
Huh? I wasn't proposing the kid not come out anymore nor did I bring up what's good for the community:lol . I'm just saying he got lucky. And not in the "I guess right" luck, but in the "I just hit 9 half court shots in a row" lucky. Don't really care if it entertains people or not, just pointing out that he was flat out lucky.

He wasn't lucky. He out smarted a few players who were A) unaware of the match up B) rather complacent with their strategies and C) underestimated a 15 year old 360 pad player.
 

bistromathics

facing a bright new dawn
Arturo beating Daigo on youtube:

part 1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KU4GfAWIiZs
part 2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WIA8XIyHi1E
part 3: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o56PhvcPgIE

arturo_winner_funny_look_small_2.gif
 

fresquito

Member
So I've been playing some Arcade with different characters. It's been a loooooong time since I last played SF and I wanted to get my skills back before I dig any online. Now, my main goal is getting used to the crappy d-pad on the 360 controller. I've improved quite a lot, but I should probaby get the Saturn controller. I'll do if I still am playing huge in the next coming months.

About the new characters. I've liked Abel and Viper, they're cool. The fat guy isn't as cool, but he's got some fun moves. El Fuerte is crap or is it just me? I man, he's melee hits are laughable and he's got horrible specials. He's Ultra and Special look good to me, but come on, what a joke character he is!

I'm still to play many of the other characters, including those from Alpha (I've only played as Sakura, and she's not my thing, although I could see myself enjoying her in the future).

All in all I'm having a good time discovering SF again. It's been a long time since SSFII :D
 
DR2K said:
He wasn't lucky. He out smarted a few players who were A) unaware of the match up B) rather complacent with their strategies and C) underestimated a 15 year old 360 pad player.

Do you disagree just because you can? Because a lot of times you show a lack of understanding for whatever it is you choose to support. While proving that you knew nothing about Cammy, you championed your cause while the whole board proved you wrong every step of the way. And now Shine? Here goes...

Anyhows, the matches where I considered him lucky are against 2 above average players and Sanford. The two above average players being Lincoln and Damdai. Damdai is a beast at ST but admits to not really playing that much sf4. And he beat Sanford once in winners.

Point A is false, since the NY players have played against Sanford's Gouken before. Point B is the main area where he went lucky. Shine CLEARLY showed that he didn't adjust at all, not a single time throughout the tournament did he change any of his strategies. With the that being said, whether he won his matches or not then was solely on the 3 other players who did have the capacity to adjust, and DIDN'T. Well Sanford did in GF, which is why he slaughtered him. You know how much credit I'd take if I beat a Sanford that didn't adjust? None at all. I'd be telling everyone I got lucky as fuck :lol

Point C might be true, but that's kinda hard to prove either. Also don't fool yourself into thinking Shine outsmarted anyone. I made a post where I directly linked THREE instances in one match where he reversal mashed a counter in every block string or combo. That pattern was indicative of his whole game, as he maintained that approach (repetitive and predictable) throughout all instances of the game, be it zoning, escaping pressure, etc. I can go and break down his game showing why he sucks some more, but it's pretty obvious just from watching him and I'd be repeating points I've already made shortly after the match happened.
 

XenoRaven

Member
fresquito said:
About the new characters. I've liked Abel and Viper, they're cool. The fat guy isn't as cool, but he's got some fun moves. El Fuerte is crap or is it just me? I man, he's melee hits are laughable and he's got horrible specials. He's Ultra and Special look good to me, but come on, what a joke character he is!
Wait til you play a good El Fuerte. I'm probably going to have an El Fuerte nightmare tonight, just cause you mentioned him.

Actually, let me link you to a Nemo vs. TKD match. As a Chun player, this is painful to watch.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zhT_HTGNZ80
 

Hitokage

Setec Astronomer
MrMephistoX said:
Ummm no need to set it that low. I have the exact same machine ( just one revision back so it's actually little slower and doesn't have SLI video like the pro) and I'm able to run it at 1280X720 with medium models and high backgrounds.

I had to turn the effects and use parallel rendering but I'm able to average 59 FPS. You should be able to get it much faster...I also set the framerate to variable and shut off V-Synch.
I have a Mac Mini with C2D 2.26 and 9400m. For me, v-sync is mandatory and my fps needs to be locked at 59.9 outside of ultra freezes.
 
Rooting for Filipino Champ. Seth vs. Rufus. Everybody complains about Seth, but he has like no life. One mistake and, it's good night, Irene.

Natch. Lookatthedamage.gif
 

DR2K

Banned
FindMyFarms said:
Do you disagree just because you can? Because a lot of times you show a lack of understanding for whatever it is you choose to support. While proving that you knew nothing about Cammy, you championed your cause while the whole board proved you wrong every step of the way. And now Shine? Here goes...

Anyhows, the matches where I considered him lucky are against 2 above average players and Sanford. The two above average players being Lincoln and Damdai. Damdai is a beast at ST but admits to not really playing that much sf4. And he beat Sanford once in winners.

Point A is false, since the NY players have played against Sanford's Gouken before. Point B is the main area where he went lucky. Shine CLEARLY showed that he didn't adjust at all, not a single time throughout the tournament did he change any of his strategies. With the that being said, whether he won his matches or not then was solely on the 3 other players who did have the capacity to adjust, and DIDN'T. Well Sanford did in GF, which is why he slaughtered him. You know how much credit I'd take if I beat a Sanford that didn't adjust? None at all. I'd be telling everyone I got lucky as fuck :lol

Point C might be true, but that's kinda hard to prove either. Also don't fool yourself into thinking Shine outsmarted anyone. I made a post where I directly linked THREE instances in one match where he reversal mashed a counter in every block string or combo. That pattern was indicative of his whole game, as he maintained that approach (repetitive and predictable) throughout all instances of the game, be it zoning, escaping pressure, etc. I can go and break down his game showing why he sucks some more, but it's pretty obvious just from watching him and I'd be repeating points I've already made shortly after the match happened.

Cammy does suck though, and no one disproved anything, lol. Lets not get into that again.

The way they approached Gouken showed a lack of understanding for that match up. I'm not saying they've encountered a Gouken. Because Shine didn't just beat them, he nailed them to the wall. Being Lucky is one thing, being consistently lucky, unlikely. It's difficult to adjust to something out of the norm though. I would assume scrub tactics wouldn't be out of the norm for most players.
 
Spiderjericho said:
Rooting for Filipino Champ. Seth vs. Rufus. Everybody complains about Seth, but he has like no life. One mistake and, it's good night, Irene.

Natch. Lookatthedamage.gif
i love and hate seth at the same time. once in awhile i'll do EXTREMELY well with him, but
most
other times i'll just get rocked. aaaand his moves overlap, so it makes it somewhat frustrating. :(

if they gave him maybe 50 more health, then i could really see him as a contender. he's at 850 health i think?
 

AZ Greg

Member
bistromathics said:
why was daigo using hp srk? does lp srk not punish limbs the same?

I could be completely wrong, but I think being that Daigo is guessing he wants to do the max amount of damage if he guesses right (HP SRK > LP SRK, naturally) and if he guesses wrong Dhalsim's FP can punish any of the SRKs.
 

h3ro

Member
FindMyFarms said:
Sweet jesus, ricky's going to slaughter LPN

That Demon in between Jesus Kick frames was pretty slick. Rufus was doing an ill split on the floor with the OH SNAP face on. :lol
 

Timedog

good credit (by proxy)
Instead of watching the stream I downloaded weird porn--watched it, then I downloaded a self-actualization video conference--watched it, then afterwards downloaded way weirder porn.
 
Timedog said:
Needs to be 800 cause Seth sucks.

Real Talk: Fuck that shit, when played right Seth is arguably the most annoying character in the game. Stretchy arms, anti air SRK, wall jump, projectile, teleport, full screen Super/Ultra, etc. are reasons why his health is and should stay low. If Seth gets more health then some of his moves and abilities needs to be removed.

And yes I remember Seth Killian saying that Seth will be even more cheap, who knows what that means but but hopefully not more health or anything too annoying like a air teleport.
 

Timedog

good credit (by proxy)
Rice-Eater said:
Real Talk: Fuck that shit, when played right Seth is arguably the most annoying character in the game. Stretchy arms, anti air SRK, wall jump, projectile, teleport, full screen Super/Ultra, etc. are reasons why his health is and should stay low. If Seth gets more health then some of his moves and abilities needs to be removed.

And yes I remember Seth Killian saying that Seth will be even more cheap, who knows what that means but but hopefully not more health or anything too annoying like a air teleport.

I'd rather see Seth be Sagat tier then where he's at.
 
Rice-Eater said:
Real Talk: Fuck that shit, when played right Seth is arguably the most annoying character in the game. Stretchy arms, anti air SRK, wall jump, projectile, teleport, full screen Super/Ultra, etc. are reasons why his health is and should stay low. If Seth gets more health then some of his moves and abilities needs to be removed.

And yes I remember Seth Killian saying that Seth will be even more cheap, who knows what that means but but hopefully not more health or anything too annoying like a air teleport.
he just needs 50 more health to be a worthy contender, not gdlk

if you want gdlk give seth 900 or something ridiculous :p
 
Hitokage said:
Eventhubs says 700.

I know but if you test it out in training mode, that's not the case. I tested out some combos just to see how close I could come to killing Seth with a single combo and I got around 67% with Ken, Gouken, and Sagat. And he had about 10% of his life left and not 5 or so meaning his health can't be 700. I even did a HP with each character and Seth still had like a pixel of life left which kind of confirms that his health is probably 750.

As for Seth's health, take away the wall jumping and he can have 800 health. I think that's a fair trade off.
 

Wallach

Member
Lost Fragment said:
The SRK redesign is pretty ugly.

Eh, maybe I just need to get used to it.

I love it. Speaking of, is there a way to get NeoGAF to run in a dark scheme like SRK's new default layout? This site kills me sometimes.
 
i actually like the srk redesign

anyone going to the uc davis 3v3 tournament on the 23rd? the ipw team will be there (so i'm assuming you too, haunts?)
 
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