Dreams-Visions
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pressure and combos. the combos you love to hate in trial challenge mode are the bread and butter of her game.Ferrio said:
that being said, she has bad matchups against some of the online regulars like Sagat.
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The Official Street Fighter IV Thread of FADCing a Stranger in the Alps
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that being said, she has bad matchups against some of the online regulars like Sagat.
TurtleSnatcher said:
Sure. Stop right in front of them. Run + LP, block the DP, punish. Bait that out all day long if they keep falling for it.
Also, if you're comfortable with it, you can actually flip right over there wake up DP with a well placed Tortilla held far behind them. You flip over them, the DP whiffs and you can punish. The former is much more reliable though.
Hatchet Man
Member
I tried out the interrupt arcade play online feature today and had quite a bit of fun. There were only two matches disconnections and one match with horrible lag out of twenty matches. I only made it to the third arcade battle before I called it quits.
Dreams-Visions
Member
I'd recommend watching some C. Viper youtube videos to give you an idea of how she's played.Ferrio said:
Dreams-Visions
Member
50?!!Jeo said:
do they know how much time that would take?
Spiderjericho
Member
CalamityDaunt said:
Just beat him on Hardest with Zangief. The clothesline is your friend...trust me...
correction just beat Gouken on Hardest to get the Legendary Champion achievement...
Zangief is great for the time trials and survivals.
Ken, Ryu...dictator if you know how to use him work well too...
CartridgeBlower
Member
Is Abel's challenge mode supposed to be a joke?
light punch to medium punch is impossible. This is level 5, too.
What the fuck gives?
EDIT: Fucking a, finally got it. They really tell you nothing on where you should be. Ridiculous.
light punch to medium punch is impossible. This is level 5, too.
What the fuck gives?
EDIT: Fucking a, finally got it. They really tell you nothing on where you should be. Ridiculous.
Spiderjericho
Member
Jeo said:
I've been playing survival too... It's ridiculous...
They must think everyone is hardcore or something...
Worse than DMD in DMC...
I like how on wakeup...they focus into dash...to gobble up whatever attack you use...
I don't really like the wakeup game in SFIV... the opponent on the floor has the advantage...
Just like the person who takes the most damage...
So, for anybody who says you have to beat the game with all characters before Gouken will show up, it's definitely not true. I just unlocked Gouken, and I've only beaten the game with about half the cast. You just have to get Akuma, beat arcade mode with him at least once. Then beat it again using any character, with X perfects and ultra finishes, no continues.
Pretty sure my mains at this point are Abel and Rose. My girlfriend still beats me about 60% of the time, she uses Sakura and is very Shouoken-happy.
Pretty sure my mains at this point are Abel and Rose. My girlfriend still beats me about 60% of the time, she uses Sakura and is very Shouoken-happy.
For light to medium punch, back away from Dan slightly so that your light punch is a single punch, not double. Then it's easy to link them. Try not to mash it out, instead time the second punch with only a single button press.CartridgeBlower said:
CartridgeBlower
Member
Yeah, I just got it. I wish they'd tell you where to be in regards to your opponent, because some of his moves close up are instant two hitters, but from a step away, it's just a normal punch. Really confusing.
Omar Ismail
Banned
Here's my response to Sirlin's article:
You touch on a lot of points, all of them valid, however it comes down to a fundamental philosophy/direction.
If you want a fighting game to be as close to pure strategy as possible for EVERYONE then you're going to a derivative of Wii Boxing. As soon as you introduce the controller abstraction you're setting up a barrier. As soon as you enhance the controller abstraction with special moves you're setting up another barrier. Every single controller mechanic introduced is another barrier for casuals. I think we can both agree on that.
So now we're talking about Street Fighter and not Wii Fighter, so we're going to have the controller abstraction, and we're going to have abstract controller specific combinations. We're not changing the fundamentals of the game experience. I think we can both agree on that.
So, what we're left with is the fundamental question that you posed yourself, how far do we turn up the dial in complexity? Personally, I don't agree that they've done as poor of a job as you state.
In every competitive game you're going to have a spectrum of players. Everybody from my 7 year old niece picking up a controller for the first time, to the EVO Champions. However, I feel that there is a clustering in this spectrum into 4 distinct classes.
1. People that don't know special moves and just button mash with no appreciation for how the game is played
2. People that have a grasp on the basics and can start to think somewhat strategically, but don't really consider things like priority, stun frames, whiffing, etc.
3. People that have a great grasp on basics, know about priority, whiffing, baiting, combos, etc. However they haven't memorized all the different priorities, and don't know things like character specific combos (i.e. heavier characters fall slower so I have to wait an extra 15 frames to through out the ultra)
4. People that have total mastery of the game, go to tournaments, know the game inside and out.
So now the director has to answer a bunch of questions.
How competitive do you want to make each group with one another?
How competitive do you want to make each group within itself?
How difficult will it be to reach level 4?
I find that with SF4 the decisions made placed a VERY heavy emphasis on Level 3 players. New players are kind of a write-off, not much attention paid to them. Level 2 players have been given a few bones by making inputs a lot more forgiving for specials.
For Level 3 players though, things like 2-button inputs, Focus Attacks, Ultras, etc aren't a big deal.
Now the way that Capcom emphasized Level3 players is by making it so difficult to get to Level4. Things like 1 frame links, and hardcore FADC combos are extremely difficult to pull off. Meaning they're ONLY attainable by ridiculously dedicated tourney players where after a while it'll become second nature. And that's fine. I'm ok with Tourny players being able to perform crazy combos that I can't because it's a reward for their dedication. What I'm thankful for is that the number of pseudo-tourney level players will be drastically reduced in the overall player base!
They made it far more difficult to get to Level4 and the way they do that is by introducing a big leap in required skill... meaning there is no level3.5 like in other games such as 3rd Strike. So Level3.5 3S players are now rounded down (or up if they want to take it to the next level) and so now you have a lot more players in Level3, and each Level3 player is a lot more competitive with one another.
So fine, Tourney players will be able to do 50% combos with Sakura, but given the difficulty in performing such a combo I'm going to run into very few of those kind of players so that's ok.
I think the other question end of the spectrum is how does linking affect the tourney players? As you've stated yourself, not much. For people competing in EVO, it's going to become second nature, and things are going to be just like every other 2D fighting game. People will be on essentially the same technical footing and thus rely more on regular strategy such as mind games, pokes, etc. The increased technical skill MAY reduce combo consistency which would have interesting strategic implications for high-level play, but I suppose that remains to be seen. To be perfectly honest, I'm not a tourney level player, and I'm sure SF4 will have a large Tourney scene for years to come, so I'm not worried about a lack of sweet EVO videos either
You touch on a lot of points, all of them valid, however it comes down to a fundamental philosophy/direction.
If you want a fighting game to be as close to pure strategy as possible for EVERYONE then you're going to a derivative of Wii Boxing. As soon as you introduce the controller abstraction you're setting up a barrier. As soon as you enhance the controller abstraction with special moves you're setting up another barrier. Every single controller mechanic introduced is another barrier for casuals. I think we can both agree on that.
So now we're talking about Street Fighter and not Wii Fighter, so we're going to have the controller abstraction, and we're going to have abstract controller specific combinations. We're not changing the fundamentals of the game experience. I think we can both agree on that.
So, what we're left with is the fundamental question that you posed yourself, how far do we turn up the dial in complexity? Personally, I don't agree that they've done as poor of a job as you state.
In every competitive game you're going to have a spectrum of players. Everybody from my 7 year old niece picking up a controller for the first time, to the EVO Champions. However, I feel that there is a clustering in this spectrum into 4 distinct classes.
1. People that don't know special moves and just button mash with no appreciation for how the game is played
2. People that have a grasp on the basics and can start to think somewhat strategically, but don't really consider things like priority, stun frames, whiffing, etc.
3. People that have a great grasp on basics, know about priority, whiffing, baiting, combos, etc. However they haven't memorized all the different priorities, and don't know things like character specific combos (i.e. heavier characters fall slower so I have to wait an extra 15 frames to through out the ultra)
4. People that have total mastery of the game, go to tournaments, know the game inside and out.
So now the director has to answer a bunch of questions.
How competitive do you want to make each group with one another?
How competitive do you want to make each group within itself?
How difficult will it be to reach level 4?
I find that with SF4 the decisions made placed a VERY heavy emphasis on Level 3 players. New players are kind of a write-off, not much attention paid to them. Level 2 players have been given a few bones by making inputs a lot more forgiving for specials.
For Level 3 players though, things like 2-button inputs, Focus Attacks, Ultras, etc aren't a big deal.
Now the way that Capcom emphasized Level3 players is by making it so difficult to get to Level4. Things like 1 frame links, and hardcore FADC combos are extremely difficult to pull off. Meaning they're ONLY attainable by ridiculously dedicated tourney players where after a while it'll become second nature. And that's fine. I'm ok with Tourny players being able to perform crazy combos that I can't because it's a reward for their dedication. What I'm thankful for is that the number of pseudo-tourney level players will be drastically reduced in the overall player base!
They made it far more difficult to get to Level4 and the way they do that is by introducing a big leap in required skill... meaning there is no level3.5 like in other games such as 3rd Strike. So Level3.5 3S players are now rounded down (or up if they want to take it to the next level) and so now you have a lot more players in Level3, and each Level3 player is a lot more competitive with one another.
So fine, Tourney players will be able to do 50% combos with Sakura, but given the difficulty in performing such a combo I'm going to run into very few of those kind of players so that's ok.
I think the other question end of the spectrum is how does linking affect the tourney players? As you've stated yourself, not much. For people competing in EVO, it's going to become second nature, and things are going to be just like every other 2D fighting game. People will be on essentially the same technical footing and thus rely more on regular strategy such as mind games, pokes, etc. The increased technical skill MAY reduce combo consistency which would have interesting strategic implications for high-level play, but I suppose that remains to be seen. To be perfectly honest, I'm not a tourney level player, and I'm sure SF4 will have a large Tourney scene for years to come, so I'm not worried about a lack of sweet EVO videos either
So Ive been messing around in training mode with Gouken for like 2 hours now. :lol Ive figured out 3 combos that take like 70% of the opponents life, without using his ultra. All of them require 3 EX stocks tho, so I highly doubt you could do them more than once in a round. The more I mess around with this game the more Im liking it. My only beef so far is I think the ultra meter fills up a bit too quick.
Spiderjericho
Member
And no music for Blanka, Gen, Boxer Claw? Those are actually some of my favorite tracks...
Spiderjericho
Member
Omar, I agree with your response for the most part.
The game is out...so only patches can fix the criticisms I have but the slow walking speed, the floaty jumps, the weird wake up game. And maybe capping ultras at once a round.
Also Cammy's super is ridiculous...it's as quick as Chun's, Sean's hyper tornado, Elena's Brave Dance...
If she blocks a heavy attack, she can immediately do super and hit the opponent.
The game is out...so only patches can fix the criticisms I have but the slow walking speed, the floaty jumps, the weird wake up game. And maybe capping ultras at once a round.
Also Cammy's super is ridiculous...it's as quick as Chun's, Sean's hyper tornado, Elena's Brave Dance...
If she blocks a heavy attack, she can immediately do super and hit the opponent.
Raging Spaniard
If they are Dutch, upright and breathing they are more racist than your favorite player
Ugh, some bad lag in two matches, just lost 3 in a row. First a really really good Dictator, no excuses there. Second a so-so Akuma and a verrrry so-so Ken that managed to take better advantage to the input lag than I did -_-
Bah, Ill be back for moar later, apparently I had a 12 game winning streak haha, didnt even notice.
Bah, Ill be back for moar later, apparently I had a 12 game winning streak haha, didnt even notice.
I cannot express how much I love this game. I am rocking the TE stick, but originally I sucked so much ass online. I've got a 3 game winning streak right now and I feel on top of the world. I havent experienced the slightest bit of lag online.
I only play as Ken and Ryu, but I've got the guide and I've been studying some other characters and I plan to put some time into training mode with them.
Im by no means hardcore. Personally, I dont think they human eye can detect 5 frames of animation in milliseconds, but thats just me.
I do with they would let you just quickmatch without seeing the opponents character selection
I only play as Ken and Ryu, but I've got the guide and I've been studying some other characters and I plan to put some time into training mode with them.
Im by no means hardcore. Personally, I dont think they human eye can detect 5 frames of animation in milliseconds, but thats just me.
I do with they would let you just quickmatch without seeing the opponents character selection
Spiderjericho
Member
DSP is hilarious...I'm watching his vids from the initial days
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U9cOG71bzp4&feature=channel_page
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U9cOG71bzp4&feature=channel_page
Raging Spaniard
If they are Dutch, upright and breathing they are more racist than your favorite player
The more I think about it, blind select makes less and less sense. I mean, in HDR most people picked Ryu and Ken anyways, so why bother hiding it? Hell, if I dont wanna try new things then Im DEFINITELY gong to play it safe, specially if I dont know if the other fucker is picking Seth, you know?
Thrakier said:Almost impossible to get an answer in this thread. Try again.
I can not do the target combo shoryuken cancel with Ken. It just doesn't work, I don't know what to do. Help me please. Please!!!
Can you at least go from fierce punch to shoryuken? It's hard to give people advice on 2 in 1's so it just comes down to input speed. On multiple normal hit combo's try to see if you can at least do the last move into special move just to get the timing down for the special move to come out. Then try for the whole thing. Hopefully that makes some sort of sense.
Neodiablo22
Member
Has anyone played the game with the regular xbox 360 controller and then compared it with a joystick or one of those sf4 gamepads? I'm currently using the 360 controller and keep going back and forth on if I would improve my gameplay by getting a different controller.