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The Official Street Fighter IV Thread of FADCing a Stranger in the Alps
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Cromulent_Word
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only reason i would even consider disagreeing is that you can combo into her ultra (or super) pretty easily from SBF, and she doesnt really have good combos into ultra other than spike>fadc>backdash>ultra.FindMyFarms said:
that being said more times than not i get spanked for using it.
FindMyFarms
Member
Cromulent_Word said:
That's only in the corner, and even then it's wayyyy risky. You could still just do jump in to ultra. SBF is just too slow.
Cromulent_Word
Member
no, you can combo from anywhere on screen. but yah, its crazy risky and like i said, i get frigging spanked 9 times outta 10.FindMyFarms said:
Lost Fragment
Obsessed with 4chan
When I play as Cammy, I throw out lp sbf sometimes just to fuck with people.
But yeah, a pretty useless move overall, which is a shame.
But yeah, a pretty useless move overall, which is a shame.
Chauncy Talon
Member
Cromulent_Word said:
Cammy is lovely, just she lacks power but have speed similar to Fei Long.
Cammy lacks power? Her SRK kick thing does sweet damage, as does her spinny twirl body penis attack when up close.
I think Cammy is much better online than in a real match. Depending on lag her ex bally throw is hard to duck and she recovers from it super quick. Her jumpy up splits kick SRK can be hard to punish with lag (with ryu) if I have no ex, cause i gotta time a perfect inch forward and cr. mk (although when I do imma hit that god damn tatsu afterwards and pillage). I know I can punish it with an ex SRK but that's such a weak and shitty move that it's barely worth it.
Anyone have a better non ex punish for blocked uppy floaty kick with Ryu?
I think Cammy is much better online than in a real match. Depending on lag her ex bally throw is hard to duck and she recovers from it super quick. Her jumpy up splits kick SRK can be hard to punish with lag (with ryu) if I have no ex, cause i gotta time a perfect inch forward and cr. mk (although when I do imma hit that god damn tatsu afterwards and pillage). I know I can punish it with an ex SRK but that's such a weak and shitty move that it's barely worth it.
Anyone have a better non ex punish for blocked uppy floaty kick with Ryu?
Killa Sasa
Member
Cammy is better offline. Less f*ckups on her combos offline. Although some people do play Spammy pretty well online. It's just a matchup where patience wins most of the time.
SBF is useless. Not even worth it as a surprise move. FMF is completely right: jump in and ultra instead from j.rh. The opponent has something stupid like 11 frames to hit you out of SBF. This move for sure didn't get playtested (by anyone with a brain, anyway).
But she hits hard as hell. That, the general ease of some of her combos, and her dash/FA is what make her viable. And Balrog/Guile are not terrible matchups, I do fine in those situations. Think like a turtle, and what you would do in those situations. Step yo' mind games up.
Zangief and Honda on the other hand...yeah, they're bastards for her. Seth too.
She's one safe, GOOD special and/or an overhead away from B tier. And take the damn landing lag off her dive kick, no one else has that garbage.
@ Timedog:
Walk forward and sweep her. Then start some crossup magic
SBF is useless. Not even worth it as a surprise move. FMF is completely right: jump in and ultra instead from j.rh. The opponent has something stupid like 11 frames to hit you out of SBF. This move for sure didn't get playtested (by anyone with a brain, anyway).
But she hits hard as hell. That, the general ease of some of her combos, and her dash/FA is what make her viable. And Balrog/Guile are not terrible matchups, I do fine in those situations. Think like a turtle, and what you would do in those situations. Step yo' mind games up.
Zangief and Honda on the other hand...yeah, they're bastards for her. Seth too.
She's one safe, GOOD special and/or an overhead away from B tier. And take the damn landing lag off her dive kick, no one else has that garbage.
@ Timedog:
Walk forward and sweep her. Then start some crossup magic
Lost Fragment
Obsessed with 4chan
Yeah, if she got a decent overhead and/or hooligan throw hit crouching opponents, she'd be mid tier.
Anybody think they're going to alter moves that much in SFIV v2? I'd love for the console characters to be made a bit more viable in high-level play.
Anybody think they're going to alter moves that much in SFIV v2? I'd love for the console characters to be made a bit more viable in high-level play.
Killa Sasa said:
Everyone has less fuckups online, so. Also, why would I sweepy kick, which is slower than long crouchey pokey kick and much harder to time, when I can do an easier long crouchey pokey kick into spinny spin air kick or ex spinny spin air kick for way more damage, and still get the knock down?
Cromulent_Word
Member
my bad, that was allen. they are both pretty dang awesome tho.kensk said:
Killa Sasa
Member
Timedog said:
Idk, I don't play Ryu. It's what everybody does to me :lol
Cromulent_Word
Member
how would it be cheap? it has such a crazy long travel time (even the lp & ex versions), if you just sit there and crouch you deserve to be hit.Timedog said:
Cromulent_Word said:
I was under the impression that crouching is the main way to defend against it. With Ryu I can jumping yell knee-out air punch but I don't know anything else that beats it. I don't think I've ever hit her out of it with anything but a dragon punch, so I just stopped trying other moves.
If it, as you say, has such a long travel time, and, as you implied, it's not hard to defend against, then how would making it hit crouching opponents make any difference in the character matchups.
Cromulent_Word
Member
you can backdash or jump away after its started up (i believe), and i've been hit out of it with just about every fierce punch or roundhouse kick the game has. I think almost any well-timed normal will hit her out of it for that matter.
the only way to get hit by it is jump into it, or do nothing... almost everything else will stop it. it's only real use is A) EX version over fireball spam, B) timed well against someone who quick rises and thus is auto-hit by the throw (since quick rise sets you to stand).
the rest of the time cammy *should* get smacked out of it since its sooooo telegraphed.
the only way to get hit by it is jump into it, or do nothing... almost everything else will stop it. it's only real use is A) EX version over fireball spam, B) timed well against someone who quick rises and thus is auto-hit by the throw (since quick rise sets you to stand).
the rest of the time cammy *should* get smacked out of it since its sooooo telegraphed.
Omar Ismail
Banned
Just bought a TE stick from Capcom's official store.
I've been pretty satisfied with the Hori EX2, but with the glut of fighting games coming out, and my increased dedication to them, I feel it was time to upgrade.
Let's just hope the shipping doesn't take forever.
I've been pretty satisfied with the Hori EX2, but with the glut of fighting games coming out, and my increased dedication to them, I feel it was time to upgrade.
Let's just hope the shipping doesn't take forever.
Chauncy Talon
Member
Omar Ismail said:
Your going to be amazed by the TE stick. Hori EX 2 is ok, but it makes to many clicking noises.
Spirit of Jazz
Banned
Might I just ask what makes Gen mid tiered? I always though his only real strength was his crossover kick.
Lost Fragment
Obsessed with 4chan
Speaking of higher-level Cammys, I just beat Draykaden in a G1 match. Not that 1 online match really means anything, but I feel proud of myself anyway :lol
Home now, so I guess I'll respond to this more in-depth, since I see a lot of wrong things with what you said.
It's not a good idea to throw out a bunch of fas against a good Viper 'cause if you do, you gonna get raped. The only way to reliably fa her mixups is if you know a bk is coming, which can be difficult since instant bks come out so quickly, and sometimes Viper lands and recovers at just the right distance to still be at an advantage. Plus, once it becomes obvious that you're gonna try and fa her mixups a lot, it's easy enough to start doing fa-breaking things like j.hk, bk; j.lk, bk; and other things to keep you guessing.
Not to mention that tk comes out lightning fast and is armor breaking, and ex tk is quick enough to crumple stun you out of focus armor/focus cancel dash from a decent distance, getting you F'd UTA with a combo or an ultra.
So, her anti-air. I don't know about stuffed a lot of the time, but it does trade a good deal, which usually isn't a good thing since Viper has lower health than most. But this can be a good thing if she has ultra, since she recovers quickly enough from the trade to dash forward and connect with her ultra.
Her normals are decent, but not the best. But she does have the best overhead in the game, and her c.mp comes out pretty darn fast. And her c.mp does stuff a lot of things. That stuff on top of her TK feint mixups more than makes up for it, imho.
As for her wakeup game...yeah, I mostly agree that she doesn't have many good options there. ex BK is a great "get the hell out of dodge" move with good aa priority, and ex seismo is good against people who don't play many Vipers and aren't expecting the invincibility frames, but she's still at a disadvantage against characters that have a lot of options to hit you with on wakeup, yeah. In particular, characters that have good crossups.
Anyway, Viper definitely isn't s-tier, and probably isn't a-tier, but I just think you're underestimating her options and versitility a fair bit
Acronyms, fuck yeah.
FindMyFarms said:
Home now, so I guess I'll respond to this more in-depth, since I see a lot of wrong things with what you said.
It's not a good idea to throw out a bunch of fas against a good Viper 'cause if you do, you gonna get raped. The only way to reliably fa her mixups is if you know a bk is coming, which can be difficult since instant bks come out so quickly, and sometimes Viper lands and recovers at just the right distance to still be at an advantage. Plus, once it becomes obvious that you're gonna try and fa her mixups a lot, it's easy enough to start doing fa-breaking things like j.hk, bk; j.lk, bk; and other things to keep you guessing.
Not to mention that tk comes out lightning fast and is armor breaking, and ex tk is quick enough to crumple stun you out of focus armor/focus cancel dash from a decent distance, getting you F'd UTA with a combo or an ultra.
So, her anti-air. I don't know about stuffed a lot of the time, but it does trade a good deal, which usually isn't a good thing since Viper has lower health than most. But this can be a good thing if she has ultra, since she recovers quickly enough from the trade to dash forward and connect with her ultra.
Her normals are decent, but not the best. But she does have the best overhead in the game, and her c.mp comes out pretty darn fast. And her c.mp does stuff a lot of things. That stuff on top of her TK feint mixups more than makes up for it, imho.
As for her wakeup game...yeah, I mostly agree that she doesn't have many good options there. ex BK is a great "get the hell out of dodge" move with good aa priority, and ex seismo is good against people who don't play many Vipers and aren't expecting the invincibility frames, but she's still at a disadvantage against characters that have a lot of options to hit you with on wakeup, yeah. In particular, characters that have good crossups.
Anyway, Viper definitely isn't s-tier, and probably isn't a-tier, but I just think you're underestimating her options and versitility a fair bit
Acronyms, fuck yeah.
Mantis s.MK is a fast move that hits almost half a screen with good recovery, comboable to hands to build meter and dissuade anyone from FAing Gen on the ground.Spirit of Jazz said:
Since Mantis s.MK or s.MP to hands is also a true unpunishable blockstring, a decent Gen should be able to build meter really fast. And with super meter, Gen can do really really nasty damage since he has so many ways to combo to his super - and obviously the mantis super is comboable to the mantis ultra as well.
Basically, when fighting a decent Gen with super meter stocked, you're just waiting for the time when you'll lose 40% of your life or more than 60% of your life if he has ultra stocked as well.
He also has a great get off me wake-up move with EX meter: EX Oga - invincible to hit/throw and gets him the fuck away as soon as possible.
Other than that, his short jumps make it harder to fireball zone him and his fast and pretty decent ranged focus attack makes him able to pressure and threat people in middle range.
His biggest weaknesses IMO :
* low health
* lack of ranged moves means he has to get close to his opponents, which can be dangerous to his already low health.
* lack of good AA special or normals, although with EX Oga he can escape easily
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I'm hearing more and more from the good players that Gen is a gimmicky character. I'm personally waiting until someone comes along and unlocks Gen's potential. As of right now, all he has going for him is that Super to Ultra combo.
I think that Gen is a huge turn-off for people because of his 2 stance thing. And in the rare occasions when I play him, I completely forget about his other stance half the time :lol
I think that Gen is a huge turn-off for people because of his 2 stance thing. And in the rare occasions when I play him, I completely forget about his other stance half the time :lol
Spirit of Jazz
Banned
Arde5643 said:
Thanks a lot, I'll start working on Gen tomorrow to see if I can do anything with him. I was always put off by his dire health and never really looked beyond the obvious with him, but I'd love to play as a character who focused on the up close ad personal that would actually stand a chance against my friends high tiered character, Abel's short comings are really starting to ware on me.
Actually, Gen is usually at D in people's opinion.
All he has is crossups and the little kick on the ground, and once you know that, he's easy to stop.
Plus all the other reasons you mentioned. And two of his special moves are terrible (seriously, 2nd and 3rd worst in the game imo) and two are two are average/alright.
All he has is crossups and the little kick on the ground, and once you know that, he's easy to stop.
Plus all the other reasons you mentioned. And two of his special moves are terrible (seriously, 2nd and 3rd worst in the game imo) and two are two are average/alright.
Spirit of Jazz
Banned
Etelmik said:
That's what I asked about and what people debunked... One of my main issues with Gen was his reliance on his low short in mantis from cross overs given how unsafe it was but Arde just went out of his way to describe how Gen shouldn't be relying on those attacks.
Chauncy Talon
Member
Jason said:
What system are you playing SFIV on?
Chauncy Talon
Member
Etelmik said:
Dan is phenomenal if you know how to use him. His super can be canceled into his ultra. A lot of people do not know that.
JiBBo probably qualifies as one of the best Gens in US.Spirit of Jazz said:
Some sample:
vs. Sagat
vs Bison/Chun
vs Rufus
Honestly, from seeing the potential of Gen, he is definitely at least mid tier if not more. The only thing I can see he needs is just regular health (1000 stamina) to make him a real solid mid tier.
WTF? Dan sucks - he really sucks, probably the worst character in the game or at least he's sharing a bunkbed with Claw.Chauncy Talon said:
Sure, he's not as bad as in Alpha, but it's hard to compare a character as bad as Alpha Dan.
Chauncy Talon
Member
Chauncy Talon said:
DigiMish said:
Like I said, if you know how to use him. Also, nobody in Tournaments pick him because they go for A Tiers and Up, unless you Justin Wong. I cannot see how he can pick anybody in the game like he sparing at home.
That Sagat on the first Gen video sucked.
But overall, I'm very impressed by that particular Gen. He's all up in your face, which is more than I can say for the 3 or 4 Gen's I've faced online. They usually just stay away from me and do that kick move that gets them to my side of the screen.
But overall, I'm very impressed by that particular Gen. He's all up in your face, which is more than I can say for the 3 or 4 Gen's I've faced online. They usually just stay away from me and do that kick move that gets them to my side of the screen.
DigiMish said:
I was just in a tournament mode final as Dan, the other guy was Ryu, the first round he beat me with just a fraction of life left, and went "ha. ha. ha." in a german accent.
I then beat him pretty badly the next 2 rounds until he ragequit right at the last second.
Sucked that I didn't get that win, but at least he lost his tournament progress.