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The Official Street Fighter IV Thread of FADCing a Stranger in the Alps
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Bison is mad solid and has less randomness than Blanka - keep using him as an alternate to Blanka.catfish said:baaah my win rate dropped below 50% just lately due to my determination to use bison instead of blanka and play championship mode only.
The road is hard my friends. I think i've won 1 final since I switched to bison. probably about 200 games ago
Won't give up till I have equal use on bison as blanka, then I'll assess my suckness again.
He's one of the few charge characters that can keep constant pressure on the opponent - while he doesn't have Boxer's BnB ultra combo or Honda's damage potential, his speed, normals, and fast specials make him a really good pressure character.
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Timedog said:
I got LakeEarth a few times with that...
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TurtleSnatcher said:
Thanks, man, I really apprciate that ^____________^
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profit said:
When you headbutt make sure you're pressing the stick to UP AND BACK and move the stick to back or down back before you land, whip the Ultra motion press KKK and hold KKK so most, if not all, the punches land.
Just make sure you're holding back when you headbutt and the rest should flow pretty naturally.
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profit said:
I have consistency issues, but I would imagine you're doing it too early. You have to wait a beat before doing it. I'm sure there are better boxers here that can tell you what you're doing wrong. I would hazard a guess to try and time it so his feet hit the ground before letting rip.
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profit said:
not too long. Basically, you have to hold that charge from the beginning of the headbutt to the ultra. After you do the headbutt, slide the stick back to the non up or down position while still keeping that charge. Very little after you hit the ground, ultra!
Just keep the charge the whole time and you should be fine.
Timedog said:
He doesn t. You usually start backcharging while starting to charge down for the headbutt (thus holding the stick in back-down position). You need the down charge for the headbutt and the back charge for the ultra. Ergo you don t need any additional time to charge for ultra after headbutt.
What I do for Balrogs ultra:
Start to backdown charge. Move from backdown charge to backup to do the headbutt (you need the "up" input to do the headbutt). Now what did we do? We moved from BackDown to BackUp, so the back charge is still active (we only needed the down charge for headbutt) - thats what you ll be using for the ultra after Balrog lands from his headbutt.
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profit said:
Keep with it, much better than a pad once you get over the first hurdle.
Kaako said:
dont sweat it man it'll come..the only reason why id stress playing on a stable surface is that when i was learning stick playing it on a stable surface (as opposed to your lap) really made a ton of difference..whenever i had it on my lap i got inconsistent results becasue you dont always sit the same way..the stick can move etc etc....the idea is to basicly use your hand itself ie finger movements to get your motions out and not your arm..there's a bunch of different ways of actualy holding the stick itself..i suggest giving them all a try and see what feels most comfortable to you..there's also quite a few tutorial videos on youtube about how to use sticks.
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profit said:
You should still be holding back after the headbutt, so just do the normal ultra motion and SHAZAM! It's time to get paid.
profit said:
i play rog also..this might help...when you do the headbutt..instead of doing it by charging downback and then moving to upback you can try rolling it like a fireball motion..ie downback to back to upback..if you think of it as a fireball motion you wont go past upback to up directly and risk loosing your back charge..once you get it down to the point where you dont loose your back charge you can stop doing it like a fireball..also with charge characters in general i tend to 'flick' the moves and return the stick back to the charge position..example..with rog's dash punch i would charge downback 'flick' the stick foward press punch and bring the stick back in one motion..as far as connecting the ultra after the headbutt..practice doing just the headbutt then ultra without a combo..if youre not getting it try doing headbutt then dash punch to make sure youre retaining charge..you should start doing the motion for the ultra once you see rog is back on the ground..at first it'll seem like a tight window but you have more time to do it then you might think
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It took me a month to get used with sticks with shotos.profit said:
Five minutes with charge characters. God, charge characters are really terrible on pad.
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profit said:
Only one hit? Hold down KKK when it starts, you need to be uppercutting.
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YakiSOBA said:
Going up back is to finish the headbutt charge.
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catfish said:baaah my win rate dropped below 50% just lately due to my determination to use bison instead of blanka and play championship mode only.
The road is hard my friends. I think i've won 1 final since I switched to bison. probably about 200 games ago
Won't give up till I have equal use on bison as blanka, then I'll assess my suckness again.
I'm in the same boat. I've barely won a match since switching to Akuma. I'm getting better slowly, but he has so many options, I just get overwhelmed sometimes.
Been playing as Viper for a few days now and I am finally starting to get used to her and how she plays. Just need to work on getting some of her combos down and perfecting her Seismic Hammer into SJC Burning Kick.
But my lord it's a frustrating process.
I'll get there in the end though (I hope).
But my lord it's a frustrating process.
I'll get there in the end though (I hope).
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prodystopian said:
yeah, I can sometimes get a near perfect on the dude, but second and third round I get 'figured out' quite badly at this point. Also, blankas got a confusing ultra, which despite what people say about being 'easy' to block, I hit that a shit load in game.
With bison, his ultra is as useful as an asshole on an elbow, I only ever hit it off a shitty jump in from an already hopeless opponent, so yeah, against good players :/ never landed the jumping double mid punch into ultra. shame. Quite often get comeback ultra'd (fuck you abel and ryu/sagat!)
I hate losing to abel with crossup jump uppercut elbow thing -> ultra.
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Gr1mLock said:
Agreed, this is especially easy with a square gate joystick as you can really feel the "upback" corner. J.HP/J.HK followed by combo followed by headbutt juggle into ultra is one of the easier and flashier combos to do(maybe its just me).
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YakiSOBA said:
but thats ALL of Guile's moves :lol
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YakiSOBA said:
As a Ryu player, I suck at this match up to because almost everybody who plays Guile is at my level or higher. Basically if I can score a knockdown then I go for cross ups because Guile doesn't really have a good answer for that. I'll follow with tick throws if he blocks the cross ups.
But when I can't close the distance I'll do what many Guile players have done to me, which is turtle them to death. Keep chucking fireballs and he won't be able to match them. Smart Guile players will try to avoid jumping in on you and instead try to push you to the corner. When that happens, air hurricane out of the corner and keep repeating until he loses his patience or time runs out.
To be honest, I haven't actually done a good job of sticking to the game plan but at least I have something to work with :lol
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If a Guile is spamming sweeps at you, he's doing you a favor. SRK him in between his sweeps.
He can't keep up with more than 2 of your FB's in a row iirc.
It's a matchup of patience, he's going to try to close the distance, and use his slightly faster FB recovery to hit you (after both of your FBs cancel each others) with a normal if you don't use another quick enough follow up.
He'll try to frustrate you into jumping at him (which is nearly as bad as jumping at Ryu, which I love to do
)
Stay out of corners, put him there (he doesn't have a special way out) and cross him up (again, nothing he can really do).
He can't keep up with more than 2 of your FB's in a row iirc.
It's a matchup of patience, he's going to try to close the distance, and use his slightly faster FB recovery to hit you (after both of your FBs cancel each others) with a normal if you don't use another quick enough follow up.
He'll try to frustrate you into jumping at him (which is nearly as bad as jumping at Ryu, which I love to do
)Stay out of corners, put him there (he doesn't have a special way out) and cross him up (again, nothing he can really do).
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I unashamedly turtle vs guile these days. I hate that boring ass character
it's like trying to beat up on a scary rock. I usually try and get a life lead then get back and make him come to me. But I don't play shotos, which sucks a bit as bison and blanka have no fireball to shoot back at him.
If you ryu, out fireball him and make him come forward.
for the double roundhouse, you can focus attack the second one, make sure to DC out of it as soon as it hit's as you're not getting crumple though. if you dash forward you might eat a flash kick as well. always dash back.
it's like trying to beat up on a scary rock. I usually try and get a life lead then get back and make him come to me. But I don't play shotos, which sucks a bit as bison and blanka have no fireball to shoot back at him.
If you ryu, out fireball him and make him come forward.
for the double roundhouse, you can focus attack the second one, make sure to DC out of it as soon as it hit's as you're not getting crumple though. if you dash forward you might eat a flash kick as well. always dash back.
I used this site for some stick holding methods lol:Gr1mLock said:
http://www.eventhubs.com/guides/2009/jul/08/tips-switching-pad-joystick/
Also, I sit on a chair with another chair in front of me with the stick on it...pretty comfortable.
Dunno but I was reading SRK forums and they do discuss it to some extent. I'm still having a bit of trouble switching from the top row to bottom row consistently and usually I alternate between first 3 buttons to last 3 buttons depending if I have ultra or not. Just booting up today, I feel that I'm a bit more comfortable with it than I was yesterday. Guess that's the muscle memory going to work.JEKKI said:
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LakeEarth said:
Your Abel was a pain, my Dictator doesn't do to well against Abel.
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It took me an ALARMING amount of time to realise you could throw abel out of his roll. Infact it took me a long time of complaining about abel for a gaffer to just tell me to do that :lolblack_vegeta said: