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NavyPharaoh

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hipbabboom said:
There should be space in the video game business to make products which are targeted to excel in the visual presentation so they can be judged on those merits alone. Why should such visual masterpieces be tied down by expectation of people who do not understand the true goals of the product. I read many fans wanting to pick this game up based on how it looks so is there no rating system that protects the desires of said fans to be able to take pride in their purchases and know they're receiving a top-rated visual experience without it being dirtied by the expectation of people who don't appreciate the goes of presentation the product has set for itself? I don't know man... I just feel for people who are getting bummed out by these reviews and treated like what they want from the product is a mediocre gaming experience when what they want is in fact an excellent visual experience. If a game says its a platformer then we shouldn't attack it for not being a RTS and in the same right, if a game says its visually stunning then we shouldn't attack it for gameplay. People are even recommending not to purchase this game hence victimizing people who pre-ordered it. Its rather insensitive to come out and tell people not to buy something they've put money towards... AFTER THE FACT. No one likes to be judged for their purchasing decisions so this judgmental atmosphere at the very least seems rather anti-consumer. Aren't media supposed to be on the consumer's side? Finally on the idea that the product is too short... a good product should leave you wanting more. Like when people say you've overeaten when you feel bloated and you should stop eating when you feel you are about to get full.. in essence, you should be wanting more before you stop eating; this is the proper way. Overeating will make you obese and there's nothing good about that so why are we trying to promote over-gaming like its something healthy. The Order should be commended for not piling on the fat with unnecessary content, variety, game length and extra modes and collectable. It cares about the consumer's gaming health. Judged based on its visual fidelity and respect for consumer health, I'd give the order a 9.7 out of 10 but Metacritic won't carry my review on the "reviewer" section so I'll leave it here and I ask journalist to be kinder with their review. We need more products like the order. Dare I say it... I'd like to The Order another one of these!
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mcrommert

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Percy said:
Are the two camps "people who have played the game" and "people who have not played the game" also?

Because that is certainly what it is reading like.
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No they are "people who are emotionally invested in the hope the game is good" and "people who want good games"
 
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GavinGT

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Snapshot King said:
If you split the game between 4 friends, you can easily beat it all four times per person in a single week and trade it back for what ends up being maybe 2-5 dollars per person, if you're unable to rent it.
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We're not all so lucky to have three nerdy friends that want to play a mediocre game so they can talk about it on a podcast.
 
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SniperHunter

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dan2026 said:
I don't understand why there was so much riding on this game.

From the very start it seemed like a solid, if unremarkable game.
And lo and behold the reviews support that.

I'm sure it will be free on PS+ eventually.
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All the showings throughout were really poor and extremely short. It never got an Uncharted 2 style E3 vertical slice demo. Sony's decision to focus on Uncharted 4 during PSX showed they had no confidence in this game at all.

I always said this developer was ok, previously they had taken other dev's idea and made two handheld games. I liked their God of War titles but Daxter was mediocre compared to the main series.

I still plan on buying it once I get a job
 
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Chezzymann

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Derpyduck said:
It's ironic that schools would use a system so stupid. When more than 50 percent of your grade range is used to represent only one grade, you fucked up.
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At least where I live letter grades are directly related to the number of questions you got right, so getting 50% right would be a 50. And that shouldn't really be awarded as passing which is why 69 and below is an F.
 
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Seanspeed

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hipbabboom said:
It's a testament to the artistic nature of this product. It's fresh and provocative and has the attention of people and is able to drive much discourse where people have plenty of interesting and varied perspectives on the matter. It's further proof of excellence in my opinion. My only regret is that people do not realize they are also apart of the performance piece hence fail to judge themselves as part of the work. I would never give myself a 4/10... I love myself too much to be that derisive to me as a work of art and I respect all the people who helped move me forward in live to where I am today. I honestly believe that instead of such nihilistic perspective on the product but taking a more holistic perspective would allow people to see themselves in this product and perhaps yield much different opinions ad assessments.

Ultimately art speaks to each differently but we have to be willing to listing and since will as an internal process, I have no choice but to respect everyone's perspective on the product even if I strongly feel otherwise.
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Wut
 
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MegaSackman

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Mahonay said:
I've never played The Evil Wihin, but from what I've seen of the game it seemed to have significantly more gameplay to sink your teeth into. Although they are definitely "cinematic display ratio" cousins. A trend that I hope is short lived given the response it has gotten from both reviewers and consumers.

I can't say which is better since neither appeal to me after seeing the finished products.
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I played just 4 chapters of Evil Within and got bored but I can't say if it's either good or bad because I've played less than the half of it to form an opinion, what I can say is that the game is stuck in PS2 era which seems to be a critic with The Order... I've yet to play The Order but it's hard to believe for me that The Order is more a PS2 game than The Evil Within...
 
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Alienous

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In the event that anyone from RAD is reading ... don't.

It isn't the greatest start, but you'll get there. Uncharted 2 came out of Uncharted 1, right?

Right.
 
joecanada

joecanada

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Derpyduck said:
It's ironic that schools would use a system so stupid. When more than 50 percent of your grade range is used to represent only one grade, you fucked up.
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ya i;ve seen a lot of grading systems but this one is the worst... 69% is an F? So a student who learned almost 70% of the required material is labelled a Failure?

Also what an artificial way to pump up your school, how about you just use a regular system and actually challenge the students to prepare them for college... instead of making sure none of them get in with their C average. just promotes teachers to make the curriculum easier to support the skewed curve.
 
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Fox_Mulder

Rockefellers. Skull and Bones. Microsoft. Al Qaeda. A Cabal of Bankers. The melting point of steel. What do these things have in common? Wake up sheeple, the landfill wasn't even REAL!
The Order 1886 is love.
 
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hipbabboom

Huh? What did I say? Did I screw up again? :(
Panda Rin said:
RIP. Western devs need a wakeup call.
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you can't seriously mean this. We live in a time of variety. Tons of mobile games. Tons of online. Tons of smaller indie titles. Triple-A is still ramping up and while the order is certainly a product that appeals to visuals that people enjoy. There will be products that appeal to audio or input or even taste one day. We can't go indicting all of western development simply because this product didn't try to be all things to all people... I can't remember the last successful product that managed to hit that note. I don't know about you but I'm looking forward to 2016.
 
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jem0208

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hipbabboom said:
It's a testament to the artistic nature of this product. It's fresh and provocative and has the attention of people and is able to drive much discourse where people have plenty of interesting and varied perspectives on the matter. It's further proof of excellence in my opinion. My only regret is that people do not realize they are also apart of the performance piece hence fail to judge themselves as part of the work. I would never give myself a 4/10... I love myself too much to be that derisive to me as a work of art and I respect all the people who helped move me forward in live to where I am today. I honestly believe that instead of such nihilistic perspective on the product but taking a more holistic perspective would allow people to see themselves in this product and perhaps yield much different opinions ad assessments.

Ultimately art speaks to each differently but we have to be willing to listing and since will as an internal process, I have no choice but to respect everyone's perspective on the product even if I strongly feel otherwise.
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I want to believe this is serious. I really do.
 
Kacho

Kacho

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D-VoN said:
So basically if they sold this game for $40, everyone would love it? Sounds like the reviewers simply can't justify $60 for a game of this length.
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I don't think so. The Order turned out to be a bad game in general. It does more things poorly than it does them well.
 
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RecursiveFault

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hipbabboom said:
It's a testament to the artistic nature of this product. It's fresh and provocative and has the attention of people and is able to drive much discourse where people have plenty of interesting and varied perspectives on the matter. It's further proof of excellence in my opinion. My only regret is that people do not realize they are also apart of the performance piece hence fail to judge themselves as part of the work. I would never give myself a 4/10... I love myself too much to be that derisive to me as a work of art and I respect all the people who helped move me forward in live to where I am today. I honestly believe that instead of such nihilistic perspective on the product but taking a more holistic perspective would allow people to see themselves in this product and perhaps yield much different opinions ad assessments.

Ultimately art speaks to each differently but we have to be willing to listing and since will as an internal process, I have no choice but to respect everyone's perspective on the product even if I strongly feel otherwise.
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I guess AC Unity was a masterpiece because of its fallout.
 
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Peltz

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hipbabboom said:
There should be space in the video game business to make products which are targeted to excel in the visual presentation so they can be judged on those merits alone. Why should such visual masterpieces be tied down by expectation of people who do not understand the true goals of the product. I read many fans wanting to pick this game up based on how it looks so is there no rating system that protects the desires of said fans to be able to take pride in their purchases and know they're receiving a top-rated visual experience without it being dirtied by the expectation of people who don't appreciate the goes of presentation the product has set for itself? I don't know man... I just feel for people who are getting bummed out by these reviews and treated like what they want from the product is a mediocre gaming experience when what they want is in fact an excellent visual experience. If a game says its a platformer then we shouldn't attack it for not being a RTS and in the same right, if a game says its visually stunning then we shouldn't attack it for gameplay. People are even recommending not to purchase this game hence victimizing people who pre-ordered it. Its rather insensitive to come out and tell people not to buy something they've put money towards... AFTER THE FACT. No one likes to be judged for their purchasing decisions so this judgmental atmosphere at the very least seems rather anti-consumer. Aren't media supposed to be on the consumer's side? Finally on the idea that the product is too short... a good product should leave you wanting more. Like when people say you've overeaten when you feel bloated and you should stop eating when you feel you are about to get full.. in essence, you should be wanting more before you stop eating; this is the proper way. Overeating will make you obese and there's nothing good about that so why are we trying to promote over-gaming like its something healthy. The Order should be commended for not piling on the fat with unnecessary content, variety, game length and extra modes and collectable. It cares about the consumer's gaming health. Judged based on its visual fidelity and respect for consumer health, I'd give the order a 9.7 out of 10 but Metacritic won't carry my review on the "reviewer" section so I'll leave it here and I ask journalist to be kinder with their review. We need more products like the order. Dare I say it... I'd like to The Order another one of these!
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I honestly cannot tell whether this is a serious post.
 
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Snapshot King

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GavinGT said:
We're not all so lucky to have three nerdy friends that want to play a mediocre game so they can talk about it on a podcast.
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Then you should rent it or not buy it until it's like 20 dollars or free on PS+. It's a mediocre game and an astonishingly poor value on top of that.
 
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ShockingAlberto

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hipbabboom said:
There should be space in the video game business to make products which are targeted to excel in the visual presentation so they can be judged on those merits alone. Why should such visual masterpieces be tied down by expectation of people who do not understand the true goals of the product. I read many fans wanting to pick this game up based on how it looks so is there no rating system that protects the desires of said fans to be able to take pride in their purchases and know they're receiving a top-rated visual experience without it being dirtied by the expectation of people who don't appreciate the goes of presentation the product has set for itself? I don't know man... I just feel for people who are getting bummed out by these reviews and treated like what they want from the product is a mediocre gaming experience when what they want is in fact an excellent visual experience. If a game says its a platformer then we shouldn't attack it for not being a RTS and in the same right, if a game says its visually stunning then we shouldn't attack it for gameplay. People are even recommending not to purchase this game hence victimizing people who pre-ordered it. Its rather insensitive to come out and tell people not to buy something they've put money towards... AFTER THE FACT. No one likes to be judged for their purchasing decisions so this judgmental atmosphere at the very least seems rather anti-consumer. Aren't media supposed to be on the consumer's side? Finally on the idea that the product is too short... a good product should leave you wanting more. Like when people say you've overeaten when you feel bloated and you should stop eating when you feel you are about to get full.. in essence, you should be wanting more before you stop eating; this is the proper way. Overeating will make you obese and there's nothing good about that so why are we trying to promote over-gaming like its something healthy. The Order should be commended for not piling on the fat with unnecessary content, variety, game length and extra modes and collectable. It cares about the consumer's gaming health. Judged based on its visual fidelity and respect for consumer health, I'd give the order a 9.7 out of 10 but Metacritic won't carry my review on the "reviewer" section so I'll leave it here and I ask journalist to be kinder with their review. We need more products like the order. Dare I say it... I'd like to The Order another one of these!
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whoa
 
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Griss

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I'm kinda wondering what the reaction to the game would be if they'd removed basically all of the gameplay, marketed as a Telltales game kind of thing, and reduced the price. The game would be so far advanced for that genre of 'game/experience/thing', and with the gameplay excised, expectations for the game would be so much different.

Of course, the shite story and fact that it's a full-priced prologue would still get it marked down, but it would have been an interesting, and arguably more honest and innovative approach.
 
TheRedSnifit

TheRedSnifit

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hipbabboom said:
There should be space in the video game business to make products which are targeted to excel in the visual presentation so they can be judged on those merits alone. Why should such visual masterpieces be tied down by expectation of people who do not understand the true goals of the product. I read many fans wanting to pick this game up based on how it looks so is there no rating system that protects the desires of said fans to be able to take pride in their purchases and know they're receiving a top-rated visual experience without it being dirtied by the expectation of people who don't appreciate the goes of presentation the product has set for itself? I don't know man... I just feel for people who are getting bummed out by these reviews and treated like what they want from the product is a mediocre gaming experience when what they want is in fact an excellent visual experience. If a game says its a platformer then we shouldn't attack it for not being a RTS and in the same right, if a game says its visually stunning then we shouldn't attack it for gameplay. People are even recommending not to purchase this game hence victimizing people who pre-ordered it. Its rather insensitive to come out and tell people not to buy something they've put money towards... AFTER THE FACT. No one likes to be judged for their purchasing decisions so this judgmental atmosphere at the very least seems rather anti-consumer. Aren't media supposed to be on the consumer's side? Finally on the idea that the product is too short... a good product should leave you wanting more. Like when people say you've overeaten when you feel bloated and you should stop eating when you feel you are about to get full.. in essence, you should be wanting more before you stop eating; this is the proper way. Overeating will make you obese and there's nothing good about that so why are we trying to promote over-gaming like its something healthy. The Order should be commended for not piling on the fat with unnecessary content, variety, game length and extra modes and collectable. It cares about the consumer's gaming health. Judged based on its visual fidelity and respect for consumer health, I'd give the order a 9.7 out of 10 but Metacritic won't carry my review on the "reviewer" section so I'll leave it here and I ask journalist to be kinder with their review. We need more products like the order. Dare I say it... I'd like to The Order another one of these!
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I read this in the library and now everyone's staring.
 
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jpax

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Griss said:
I'm kinda wondering what the reaction to the game would be if they'd removed basically all of the gameplay, marketed as a Telltales game kind of thing, and reduced the price. The game would be so far advanced for that genre of 'game/experience/thing', and with the gameplay excised, expectations for the game would be so much different.

Of course, the shite story and fact that it's a full-priced prologue would still get it marked down, but it would have been an interesting, and arguably more honest and innovative approach.
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I did not know there were branching paths?
 
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OnADock

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Derpyduck said:
It's ironic that schools would use a system so stupid. When more than 50 percent of your grade range is used to represent only one grade, you fucked up.
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Mabey if you're wrong half the time you shouldn't be qualified for whatever you're being tested for. Or do you just want there to be more failing grades?
 
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Cider

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Chezzymann said:
At least where I live letter grades are directly related to the number of questions you got right, so getting 50% right would be a 50. And that shouldn't really be awarded as passing which is why 69 and below is an F.
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Lots of classes at my school have a hard curve, so your grade depends on other people's grades. 10% get A's, 20% get B's, I'm not too sure,

On topic:
I get that people want value for their money, I really do. But personally i don't have lots of free time, so I really appreciate shorter, pretty games than 60+ hours fetchquests, i'd much rather spend $12 per hour for detailed, well-made fun than $1/ hour for "go see ABC and help him get XYZ then go see DEF and collect the MNO"
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Kssio_Aug

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hipbabboom said:
There should be space in the video game business to make products which are targeted to excel in the visual presentation so they can be judged on those merits alone. Why should such visual masterpieces be tied down by expectation of people who do not understand the true goals of the product. I read many fans wanting to pick this game up based on how it looks so is there no rating system that protects the desires of said fans to be able to take pride in their purchases and know they're receiving a top-rated visual experience without it being dirtied by the expectation of people who don't appreciate the goes of presentation the product has set for itself? I don't know man... I just feel for people who are getting bummed out by these reviews and treated like what they want from the product is a mediocre gaming experience when what they want is in fact an excellent visual experience. If a game says its a platformer then we shouldn't attack it for not being a RTS and in the same right, if a game says its visually stunning then we shouldn't attack it for gameplay. People are even recommending not to purchase this game hence victimizing people who pre-ordered it. Its rather insensitive to come out and tell people not to buy something they've put money towards... AFTER THE FACT. No one likes to be judged for their purchasing decisions so this judgmental atmosphere at the very least seems rather anti-consumer. Aren't media supposed to be on the consumer's side? Finally on the idea that the product is too short... a good product should leave you wanting more. Like when people say you've overeaten when you feel bloated and you should stop eating when you feel you are about to get full.. in essence, you should be wanting more before you stop eating; this is the proper way. Overeating will make you obese and there's nothing good about that so why are we trying to promote over-gaming like its something healthy. The Order should be commended for not piling on the fat with unnecessary content, variety, game length and extra modes and collectable. It cares about the consumer's gaming health. Judged based on its visual fidelity and respect for consumer health, I'd give the order a 9.7 out of 10 but Metacritic won't carry my review on the "reviewer" section so I'll leave it here and I ask journalist to be kinder with their review. We need more products like the order. Dare I say it... I'd like to The Order another one of these!
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Omg! Please be a joke! Lol
 
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