The Player 1 Podcast Topic
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Takamura-San
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I don't get why would CJ get so worked up about all the Nintendo Should ________ Comments. They should do something. People like to play CEO on forums, that's what discussion is all about. People disagree with some of the recommendations, and they engage on the why.
I don't know what is CJ's stance from what he said. Should the conversation not happen? Are we to pretend that Nintendo is not on a troubled stance? I'm not speaking about bankruptcy and all that shit, but if they want to stay relevant something has to be done.
I don't know what is CJ's stance from what he said. Should the conversation not happen? Are we to pretend that Nintendo is not on a troubled stance? I'm not speaking about bankruptcy and all that shit, but if they want to stay relevant something has to be done.
My guess is it's because the "________" is often some terrible, poorly thought-out idea.
It's also the same one or two ideas thrown out half-cook and uninformed. I like it though because nothing makes me laugh harder than game industry goofballs opining on the long term business strategy of multibillion dollar multinational corporations. Can't figure out how to keep a small magazine afloat or pay their bills without begging for handouts but they are totally the person to ask when it comes to fixing Nintendo!
HamPster PamPster
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There seems to be enough reason to doubt Nintendo's market research or at least their interpretation of it. Designing a low power draw system seems like a great idea given Japan's struggle with electricity. It doesn't seem like such a great idea when no one buys it.
Anyway, Nintendo will just ride the Wii U out and try again in a few years. Worst comes to pass and Iwata can just do a stock buy back with that war-chest I keep hearing about to keep investors happy. If I was playing armchair CEO I would say to spin off the Wii/Mii brand into PC & Mobile and keep the Wii U focused on Nintendo's traditional characters. What did the latest "Wii _____" title sell? The one Wayne Brady was pimping? That market is dead on Wii U but could probably still sell elsewhere.
I'm still not convinced the PS4/XB1 will be great successes either. Better than the Wii U for sure, but I bet they come in well below their previous gen counterparts.
I'll take my golden parachute now
Anyway, Nintendo will just ride the Wii U out and try again in a few years. Worst comes to pass and Iwata can just do a stock buy back with that war-chest I keep hearing about to keep investors happy. If I was playing armchair CEO I would say to spin off the Wii/Mii brand into PC & Mobile and keep the Wii U focused on Nintendo's traditional characters. What did the latest "Wii _____" title sell? The one Wayne Brady was pimping? That market is dead on Wii U but could probably still sell elsewhere.
I'm still not convinced the PS4/XB1 will be great successes either. Better than the Wii U for sure, but I bet they come in well below their previous gen counterparts.
I'll take my golden parachute now
A playing card company is getting into motion video games? You learn something new every day! If I were them, I'd stick to what they know and produce cards in wacky colors... like blue. Year-over-year growth will be in the trillions! But that's just one destitute porcupine's opinion.
Takamura-San
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I'm not convinced that if the Wii U had power comparable to the PS4 that it would matter much. I could only see this having any sort of effect in Japan where they haven't completely pissed away their mind share in the console space.
Exactly. It's a challenging market even with good information and resources. Imagine what a shambles it would be if these things were decided based on the whims of people with none of that information.
Hmm. Guess I was wrong. And wow, that's bannable.
HamPster PamPster
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If you don't give us what we want we will take it by force!
Takamura-San
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But, how could they read the market so badly?
They sure know how many Wii's they sold.
They sure know how was the attach rate, and for what kind of games.
They should have an idea of how many of those Wiis are in active use. (Netflix use, Activity log and hopefully surveys or any other stuff.)
Yet they came up with the WiiU...
They misread the amount of work and time it takes to develop for hardware that is only comparable to 7 year old hardware...
Can someone with a straight face tell me that the moment that the WiiU was announce didn't see all that is happening right now... well... happening?
If the games industry wants to be treated seriously as an art form they need to start embracing this stuff. Jaffee will never be able to make gaming's Chinatown if he is ostracized.
How dare we discuss and share our opinions on the matter. Where do we get off?
As to the "mountain of market research", it's only as good as the company providing it and the executives interpreting it.
Given that Iwata has admitted to having no clue about what's going on in the West, it's safe to assume he hasn't climbed that mountain.
Neuromancer
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I think Nintendo should get back into the cereal business.
I seem to recall this being delicious.
I seem to recall this being delicious.
I think Nintendo should get back into the cereal business.
I seem to recall this being delicious.
I seem to remember it being a rebranded Captain Crunch. Or was that Donkey Kong cereal? One of them was lucky charms and the other was Captain Crunch.
Oh, come now.
brianmcdoogle
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Analysts predict that in 2014, the year of the wearables, Nintendo will produce a new "smart watch".
My point was not "don't share your opinions"--I hope that's relatively obvious.
I was making an observation that people on Twitter and podcasts etc. have a tendency to either minimize Nintendo's effort to understand the market or just assume they invest no time or money in it at all.
I was making an observation that people on Twitter and podcasts etc. have a tendency to either minimize Nintendo's effort to understand the market or just assume they invest no time or money in it at all.
SuperPac
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This is exactly it. I find the most popular answers to the ______ to be more or less 'do what everyone else is doing.' Make mobile games, axe the GamePad, make a cell phone, drop the Wii U now and make a system technically on-par with XBO/PS4, go third party, drop the price (which, if you're not the market leader, is a short-term only fix before a month passes and your new price is 'too expensive'). None of those proposed solutions are, IMO, long-term roads to success.
IMO it's similar to the late '90s/early '00s when many people said that Apple needed to just throw in the towel, license the Mac OS out to other hardware manufacturers, or close up entirely. Maybe those people were right about Apple, maybe people are right about Nintendo now. I'd like to think that Nintendo has more in them and would like to see them continue doing something different than what Sony/Microsoft/third-parties offer.
Kinda glad someone called out mik's "$700 Dell beats next-gen consoles" mistake. Kinda odd he only half-way backed from it. He's not ridiculously far from reality but a $700 Dell doesn't even play the current cross-gen games comparatively (AC4 and BF4 ). Mik is my fav and it kinda hurts to see him fall for the old purchase justification through reality distortion fanboy trope. Tsk, tsk
Really good podcast this week. I don't like a single Sega game so Greg being away was only half bad. Speaking of Sega games it was kinda ugly how CJ scolded Phil (and Phil's ultimate surrender) on bashing that one guy who showed up last year to promote his game that ended up being one of the most talked about wrecks in recent history, up to a point of possible class action lawsuits. Yeah give that man a break, he's your friend.
Really good podcast this week. I don't like a single Sega game so Greg being away was only half bad. Speaking of Sega games it was kinda ugly how CJ scolded Phil (and Phil's ultimate surrender) on bashing that one guy who showed up last year to promote his game that ended up being one of the most talked about wrecks in recent history, up to a point of possible class action lawsuits. Yeah give that man a break, he's your friend.
Kinda glad someone called out mik's "$700 Dell beats next-gen consoles" mistake. Kinda odd he only half-way backed from it. He's not ridiculously far from reality but a $700 Dell doesn't even play the current cross-gen games comparatively (AC4 and BF4 ). Mik is my fav and it kinda hurts to see him fall for the old purchase justification through reality distortion fanboy trope. Tsk, tsk
Not sure if I said "beats" or "is comparable." But I didn't intend to even halfway back down from that. I guess I could post screens of what AC 4 looks like on my machine and you could verify whether it's purchase justification or if the games actually look comparable.
Things will certainly change and my now two-year-old PC will not pump out graphics comparable to the PS4 once those games improve (at which time my PC will be three- or four-years-old). At that time, I can decide whether another few hundred bucks worth of video card to close the gap will be worth it.
(also, I think I said $800--that's what mine cost)
I don't have any ACIV screens, but there are some ACIII and Metro Last Light (and Tomb Raider, and Crysis 3) screens here:
http://steamcommunity.com/id/mormonrage/screenshots/
(the Tomb Raider one will certainly be an example where the PS4 version looks better, but that's the clear outlier for now--and it still looks much better than the PS3 or 360 versions)
http://steamcommunity.com/id/mormonrage/screenshots/
(the Tomb Raider one will certainly be an example where the PS4 version looks better, but that's the clear outlier for now--and it still looks much better than the PS3 or 360 versions)
nckillthegrimace
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There were some disturbing revelations about Mike this episode.
Kinda glad someone called out mik's "$700 Dell beats next-gen consoles" mistake. Kinda odd he only half-way backed from it. He's not ridiculously far from reality but a $700 Dell doesn't even play the current cross-gen games comparatively (AC4 and BF4 ). Mik is my fav and it kinda hurts to see him fall for the old purchase justification through reality distortion fanboy trope. Tsk, tsk
Really good podcast this week. I don't like a single Sega game so Greg being away was only half bad. Speaking of Sega games it was kinda ugly how CJ scolded Phil (and Phil's ultimate surrender) on bashing that one guy who showed up last year to promote his game that ended up being one of the most talked about wrecks in recent history, up to a point of possible class action lawsuits. Yeah give that man a break, he's your friend.
Wait, what? Do I only talk about Sega games?
nckillthegrimace
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You're close personal friends with Greendog, so I can see why someone would make that assumption.
That dude's been through a lot.
Is it more disturbing that I'm not even sure what would be disturbing?
nckillthegrimace
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MikeE21286
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I made it last year (for 2012), but didn't get around to doing one this year (2013). Was planning on it though, but if you have the time this week feel free to go ahead
Yeah, she had me at "You want quiet? Better take the next train." <3
(if it helps explain my psychosis, I also really liked Rinoa)
Somehow I'm positive it was $700 and a Dell you were promoting but if I was wrong I apologize. That extra $100 makes you more right so there's no point in arguing about it.
The point was he was promoting a $700 Dell. Not a self-built, rebate/deal using build where 90% of people don't account for an OS to begin with. Also what $700 Dell has a $300 GPU?
Just a joke and a segway.
Just watched the YT archive and you said $700. That extra $100 definitely pumps up the performance quite a bit. I can see an $800 PC playing any current game at 30FPS 1080p and comparable settings.
For anyoene not into PC gaming it's worth pointing out that at the budget end of graphics cards costing $100 - $200 adding an extra $100 makes quite the difference. Also Mike did specify that his recommendation isn't gonna last you for a generation but it's upgradable.
I'm lucky enough to have both a PC and a PS4 but PC is the better choise and you'll save money. Here in Euroland I can buy Thief for PS4 for 69,90 or on Steam for 44,99. That done a multiple times per year will guarantee that my next upgradr in a few years is practically free. Also it's a no-brainer that on a beefy PC games will run better at a higher resolution even if there's little effects to bump up. I personally game on a 120Hz monitor so 60FPS isn't some magical cap any more.
Carry on.
CoffeeJanitor
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I'm a laptop gamer. TF2/indie games/Boshy all the way.
Oh yeah, nice job talking about Banner Saga. Awesome game. One of the things I think non-SRPG people will like about it is that it kind of doesn't matter if your guys die in battle most of the time. You don't have to perfect every single engagement. It's actually been kind of hard to get used to that.