JimboJones
Member
I suppose they have that auto upscaling thing that uses the npu in newer CPUs, but it doesn't seem as robust as DLSS or PSSR style solutions, maybe could work on their possible handheld.
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XXL
Member
The gif was just a joke.
I agree. I just think it's good they're acknowledging it. AI upscaling absolutely is the future.
Vyse
Gold Member
That’s was really funny.
SmokedMeat
Gamer™
You can’t spell “ignorant” without “ign”.
winjer
Gold Member
Visual data is aplenty in every gaming platform.
The first part is to develop a proper temporal upscaler, this is done in an heuristic form, with code written by humans.
The AI part is having a convolution network to run on top of that temporal upscaler, to detect and eliminate artifacts, like disocclusion, ghosting, pixel shimmer, etc.
And what do you mean it wasn't that deep?
Do you know how many parameters (weights) Nvidia used with DLSS? Or Sony used with PSSR?
Or do you think that Deep actually refers to some measurement of vertical distance?
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Crispy Gamer
Member
We need more articles like this
Somehow this is lost in the conversation, Sony started this path of hardware upscaling before everyone AI was just a natural progression and recently a Sony executive mentioned PSSR took a lot of time and that's why they couldn't have it ready at PS5's launch. Thinking about it, I'm not sure if RDNA 4 will have any type of AI upscaling and if that's the case then it makes total sense why Microsoft didn't plan to make a mid-gen refresh because they're also developing a solution AMD seems to be way behind but we'll see.
Panajev2001a
GAF's Pleasant Genius
I like how they also try to start a rumour about It being RDNA2 only (just added more CUs…)
The PS5 Pro Proves AI Upscaling Is the Future - IGN
The PS5 Pro's AI upscaling is impressive, and might say a lot about the future of graphics across all of gaming.www.ign.com
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DeepEnigma
Gold Member
Was this a DF contribution? From a certain PCMRetard, maybe?Love how they also try to start a rumour sbiut It being RDNA2 only and a few more CUs…
winjer
Gold Member
MujkicHaris
Banned
You agree? You disagree? Tell me more. If you don't understand my comment, I will elaborate further.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
Sony has been doing this since 2016 with the Pro. R&C had it before 2018.
lh032
I cry about Xbox and hate PlayStation.
checkerboard? that was ass.Did you see the Pssr preview? looks incredible, i preorderd ps5 pro and cant wait to see the result
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Gaiff
SBI’s Resident Gaslighter
Something unclear about A.I.? If you wanna just talk about upscalers, they're much older than checkerboard rendering.
I'M only talking about upscaling on the PS4 with the Pro having an AI solution.
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ap_puff
Banned
DLSS was very bad in 2018.
lh032
I cry about Xbox and hate PlayStation.
S0ULZB0URNE
Member
nvidia DLSS proved it first.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
People are pointing out temporal in 2018. R&C used temporal prior to that on the 4Pro.
While this article is clickbait, it did mention the key advantage that they were able to have a faster to market solution in such a short time, is due to their closed platforms. Their TVs have been running AI scaling chips for years now as well.
It mentioned it's a good thing for all consumers, but only we gamers and nerds can arguing about who and what was first.
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RPCGamer
Neophyte
It's the optimal way to play MGS Delta. With the Pssr filter back on.
PC master retards was saying those PS4 Pro games were fake 4k (CB) in 2016. The same people embraced DLSS some years after.What a realization!
And it's only several years too late.
UE4 has Temporal upscaling since 2018. DLSS2 since 2020.
And then we got more upscalers like FSR2, XeSS, TSR, etc...
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James Sawyer Ford
Member
I doubt it’s difficult to implement with the SDK, so likely not a major issue
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
Facts.
mansoor1980
Gold Member
the hype for ps5pro is massive and growing
lh032
I cry about Xbox and hate PlayStation.
PCMR always dont like us console peasants, we are the real victims here!
winjer
Gold Member
That is not even correct to say that CB is an upscaler. It's just interpolation.
DLSS, especially DLSS2 is a very different tech from interpolating pixels with every other frame.
MadchesterManc
Member
Please don't remind us of DLSS 1.0.
HeisenbergFX4
Gold Member
Gaiff
SBI’s Resident Gaslighter
They also shat on DLSS1. Almost as if they didn't care for low-quality solutions.
Cool, it's not an AI upscaler.
The solution that proved that AI upscalers were the future was DLSS, not checkerboard rendering that was seemingly difficult to implement and only saw the light of day in a select titles. What are we doing here exactly? Trying to discredit DLSS or trying to credit Sony with coming up with AI upscalers for games because they had it in their TVs? The AI upscaling revolution in games really took off with DLSS2. DLSS1 was trash and laughed at.
XXL
Member
You don't know what "it wasn't that deep" means?
It's obvious that nVidia was first but they also beta tested the whole thing with DLSS1 which didn't work really well.
IGN is completely dumb but I guess the point is that once technologies are adopted within consoles it means they have become fully viable and mainstream hence the "future".
IGN is completely dumb but I guess the point is that once technologies are adopted within consoles it means they have become fully viable and mainstream hence the "future".
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CB is not a upscaler, it’s a reconstruction technique. You are the perfect example why I call them PC Master retards.
HerjansEagleFeeder
Member
Seriously. My first thought was PC space is doing this for years and spawned several well established standards in the meantime. All of a sudden when Sony introduces the technology, IGN loses it's mindWhat a realization!
And it's only several years too late.
UE4 has Temporal upscaling since 2018. DLSS2 since 2020.
And then we got more upscalers like FSR2, XeSS, TSR, etc...
winjer
Gold Member
It's neither. It's interpolation. Something that has been done for decades. Even in videogames.
It's just interlacing one set of pixels in one frame, then another set of pixels in another frame. It's not that difficult to understand.
You can try to insult as much as you want, but the fact remains you don't understand the tech.
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XXL
Member
Im not sure what going on here. Lol.
"It wasnt that deep" means it wasn't that serious.
saintjules
Gold Member
JimboJones
Member
I'm sure we will see a similar article about Nintendo bringing Ai upscaling to the masses next year.
Crispy Gamer
Member
I remember a time when people called CBR just an upscaler it was considered downplaying it but now it was never an upscaler 
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
No shit, I've been a huge proponent of DLSS for years and years now. Been always saying that native high resolutions are a waste of resources with all the refined scaling tech that's coming out.
Once again, refer to my posts. Clickbait? Yes. Only us nerds will argue about what is "first" when all companies have contributed in some way to the scaling revolution.
With that said, consoles having it will drive it more to the mainstream normies as well, which we will all benefit from in the long run. Which was the crux of the article outside of the panty arguing off the clickbait title.
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ap_puff
Banned
disagree, generating pixels that weren't there is upscaling regardless of method. hell a bilinear or even nearest neighbor pixel upscaler is upscaling. It's just the output quality is bad. Interpolating half the frame's pixels is not the same as purely generated frames such as by DLSS3. Clearest indication is that DLSS3 generated frames add input latency because the frame is something that is external to the game engine.
Lucifers Beard
Member
Oh I forgot that PSSR paved the way for DLSS and that it hasn't been a thing for at least the last 3 generations of graphics cards.. silly me!
winjer
Gold Member
But there are no pixels being generated with CB.
The raster is rendering one group of pixels in one frame, then another set on another frame.