MaverickHunterX
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That was actually Death Wish (both one and two...)
Spent the last hour reading this thread! Awesome job, OP!
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The Punisher - The man. The legend. The maniac. Here's your primer.
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That was actually Death Wish (both one and two...)
Spent the last hour reading this thread! Awesome job, OP!
Fancy Clown
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Yeah he could pull off the iconic Bradstreet Punisher cover look pretty nicely.
And yeah, it could definitely never happen. Although Marvel are clearly ok with stuff like Daredevil and Punisher getting dark and violent, I don't think they would ever hand over full creative control to someone like Villeneuve sadly
Shao Kahn Brewing a Stew
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I love Checchetto's Punisher. Him being similar to Snake/Big Boss helps a lot.
Punished Snake.
God, I love this thread!!
BattleMonkey
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Love the Punisher, but find it odd that I didn't like at all the Solid Snake Punisher run like everyone else seemed too. He looked cool... but the stories were shit.
NotTheGuyYouKill
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Oh yeah, Jim Lee's work is phenomenal.
Frank's in it for 5 minutes but it feels utterly essential to Ennis's Punisher mythos.
Plasticine
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foxuzamaki
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He is a pretty big nintendo fan, and this was during the transition where everyone was jumping over themselves to proclaim that they werent going to buy a WiiU in 2012 and it was the usual fanboy war at the start of a generation
MAX series! It is very stand alone, for the most part.
Coriolanus
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The thing with Punisher films (and something that Warzone appeared to get in some very short moments) is that Frank is an excellent deuteragonist, but not such a good fit for a protagonist. Punisher stories work best when they depict other characters reacting to Castle, and not the other way around. They enter his world to have a very short and traumatic look inside and then get the fuck out.
Which is part of the reason why Frank pushes anyone he likes away.
There are exceptions, yes, like the second 'Cuda arc, but even then it took Ennis two tries to really nail that narrative.
The section with Barracuda certainly doesnt hurt either.
But that segment when Nick runs into the guy at the memorial and THEN you get the Laos payoff... Got damn. Mantears were shed.
Which is part of the reason why Frank pushes anyone he likes away.
There are exceptions, yes, like the second 'Cuda arc, but even then it took Ennis two tries to really nail that narrative.
The section with Barracuda certainly doesnt hurt either.
But that segment when Nick runs into the guy at the memorial and THEN you get the Laos payoff... Got damn. Mantears were shed.
More_Badass
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Awesome thread. I just realized that all the Punisher MAX comics are on Comixology. Only ever read Vol 1....
BastardSamurai
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I can't find this panel online, but one moment that always stood out for me was during the talk between Bethell and Frank in the first MAX arc, "In The Beginning," where Bethell commenting that the reason he sought Frank out was to have Frank kill Bin Laden, because Frank is has the best record when it comes to tracking down and killing specific men.
I also forget the storyline, but the one where Frank basically takes out a Delta team sent after him, and one of the Delta guys was like,"he makes us feel the same way we made our targets feel." I think Frank used a classic Claymore landmine in this skirmish!
I also forget the storyline, but the one where Frank basically takes out a Delta team sent after him, and one of the Delta guys was like,"he makes us feel the same way we made our targets feel." I think Frank used a classic Claymore landmine in this skirmish!
Coriolanus
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Thats one of the final arcs. They recognized that the only reason they were able to accost Frank was because he would refuse to kill them and even with that advantage it took them multiple tries.
Perks of working without a team for decades.
Great moment in Valley Forge, Valley Forge. "This is him trying not to kill us!"
More_Badass
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I think one of my favorite things about the MAX series is the issues' cover art
Dick Justice
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People seem to like War Zone, but for me it feels like they just looked at the MAX comics and said "Well, we need to make it as gory as possible and that's that, right?". Story was uninteresting, Castle was mischaracterized (in the comics, he's not the kind of idiot who'll dangle from a chandelier and fire twin machine guns. When he does stupid shit, he tends to pay for it), and the villain lacked any real edge beyond "look at how fucked up my face is".
One of the things I appreciated about War Zone was that they actually went out of their way to show Punisher running out of ammo and reloading his guns in each fight. It's an oddly realistic touch for such an insane movie.
water_wendi
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im kind of surprised that they went with Charles Bronson and not Mack Bolan, The Executioner.
Human Resources
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How Did This Get Made? - Punisher War Zone
There's a pretty interesting podcast with the director of Punisher: War Zone, where they go pretty in depth about the making of the movie.
There's a pretty interesting podcast with the director of Punisher: War Zone, where they go pretty in depth about the making of the movie.
Badpsychometry
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Can someone explain to me why the Punisher looks so young in the Greg Rucka series? I've only ever read the MAX series, and I adore that Castle.
My favorite part of that episode is Lexi Alexander's anecdote about her encounter with a fan of The Punisher, who she thought was going to ask for his money back after seeing War Zone.
Turns out it was his favorite movie. Woops.
NotTheGuyYouKill
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Because it's set in the Marvel universe and characters don't age in real time like in MAX. Castle is generally depicted between mid 30s and early 40s in his MU depiction (Ennis aside as he retained Frank's Vietnam origin when he wrote the MU stories, so that dates Frank to late 40/50s in those stories)
More_Badass
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So...there's probably going to be a Punisher sale on Comixology next month, right? To coincide with Daredevil Season 2? There was a Deadpool sale before the movie came out
Just picked up the first 30 issues of Ennis' run, will likely wait for a sale to get the rest.
Just picked up the first 30 issues of Ennis' run, will likely wait for a sale to get the rest.
bengraven
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My first owned Punisher comic was about a group of serial killers who used paint ball guns with ball bearings against actual paint ball players, obviously murdering the shit out of them. There was some catch at the end, probably with why they did it, I think they were also cops, etc, but I didn't give a fuck.
I just felt awesome to be buying a Punisher comic.
edit: PUNISHER SUMMER SPECIAL 3.
http://www.orgamesmic.com/the-punisher-hates-paintball/
I just felt awesome to be buying a Punisher comic.
edit: PUNISHER SUMMER SPECIAL 3.
http://www.orgamesmic.com/the-punisher-hates-paintball/
NotTheGuyYouKill
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I mentioned this in some superhero dream movie thread, but if you want a recipe for a great Punisher movie:
You get Dennis Villeneuve to direct, and Joaquin Phoenix to star.
Doin some Sicario style hits would be a killer combo. Dennis would bring the style and tension, and Phoenix could easily bring some depth and pathos to the role along with being menacing as fuck.
This would be spectacular
Ennis' MAX Punisher run was genuinely scary horrible good. Quotes (I'm paraphrasing) but the images that accompany these lines are nightmare fuel.
"Don't come back here."
"I haven't hated anybody like this in a long time ."
"Homeboy is a little too good a swimmer."
"It's not as bad as it looks."
"Give her the rest."
"The air is clear and all is right with world."
"Don't come back here."
"I haven't hated anybody like this in a long time ."
"Homeboy is a little too good a swimmer."
"It's not as bad as it looks."
"Give her the rest."
"The air is clear and all is right with world."
water_wendi
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Those are awesome. Seemed very familiar though so i got to checking and sure enough its Tim Bradstreet (at least most of them.. didnt check them all). Always had a fondness for his artwork.
Tragicomedy
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I love the contrast between Frank and Captain America. Cap is Frank's hero, but he lacks the will to do the dirty work that's necessary.
"Same guy, different war." Spidey knows best.
The shit this man has seen and done...
"Same guy, different war." Spidey knows best.
The shit this man has seen and done...
NotTheGuyYouKill
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I love the contrast between Frank and Captain America. Cap is Frank's hero, but he lacks the will to do the dirty work that's necessary.
"Same guy, different war." Spidey knows best.
The shit this man has seen and done...
Captain America is such a douchebag here.
And that's a fat load coming from Bucky considering he spent the majority of the Cold War destabilizing the world.
NotTheGuyYouKill
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They need to do a new Punisher game, Max Payne 3 style:
NotTheGuyYouKill
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You know, I think the best thing about Ennis' MAX run... is that sometimes you could feel rage rising off the page. His writing was so good, that at times, you could feel Frank's hate and rage almost worming its way into your head.
More_Badass
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Idk, seems too flashy. Reading MAX now and it seems like a stealth-action format would be best. Assessing the enemy, setting up counter measure before unleashing hell on them. Would need to be more tactical than run-n-gun
I can't tell you how many times I did this part. Sliding down that escalator was so much fun
NotTheGuyYouKill
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Wanted to share some of Dave Johnson's covers... he did great work on the post-Ennis stuff in MAX:
You're right, but I meant in tone and physics and how good the gunplay feels. Make combat really deep, give lots of options, it'd be awesome!
You're right, but I meant in tone and physics and how good the gunplay feels. Make combat really deep, give lots of options, it'd be awesome!
Tragicomedy
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Cap is always a douchebag.
When you factor in that he started a war with the X-Men single-handed...
More_Badass
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Wow, these are fantastic
Oh, and just finished the first six issues of MAX.
Damn, that was something. What's up with Ennis and doing gore so well? Crossed, Preacher, and now Punisher, there are some moments where you just stare at the art taking a moment to process everything
NotTheGuyYouKill
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That is literally the same mentality crazy racists use to justify their actions
Tragicomedy
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It's pretty good. Not even close to the same level as Punisher MAX for me, but anything that makes Nick Fury readable is an accomplishment in itself.
Just Starting to read the Marvel Knights number one I believe its called, its on Marvel U.
I chose it because I grew up reading some of Garth Ennis Judge Dredd stuff, so I had to give it a read.
first bad guy that sticks out is that huge Russian who's head is cybernetically attached to the woman's body, holy fuck haha, always knew his humour was off the chart
Previously only read a few random Punisher books, like Kills the Marvel Universe, I bought punisher Max Volume 1 hardcover, but not read it, just realised that its also written by Ennis, need to get round to that soon, its been on my shelf for over a year.
Also I wish they would put the Punisher ps2 game onto the Psn store, so we could at least play that if they don't give us a new game.
I chose it because I grew up reading some of Garth Ennis Judge Dredd stuff, so I had to give it a read.
first bad guy that sticks out is that huge Russian who's head is cybernetically attached to the woman's body, holy fuck haha, always knew his humour was off the chart
Previously only read a few random Punisher books, like Kills the Marvel Universe, I bought punisher Max Volume 1 hardcover, but not read it, just realised that its also written by Ennis, need to get round to that soon, its been on my shelf for over a year.
Also I wish they would put the Punisher ps2 game onto the Psn store, so we could at least play that if they don't give us a new game.
WrenchNinja
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Your title is missing perfectly good alliteration. Should have gone with man, myth, mainiac
Anyway, great op. I admit I also really like the Frankencastle arc
Anyway, great op. I admit I also really like the Frankencastle arc
NotTheGuyYouKill
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GODDAMMIT
I'm gonna have to page a mod. Or if... any certain mods see this post and can change it for me? Pretty please?
The alliteration is stellar.
Dominican Power
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I've always been intrigued by Punisher.
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