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[Halcyon]

Right, but in those situations, with a low appetite, what you are eating is just replenishing your daily bodily functions right?

Where the getting fat comes into play, is eating more than you need, and not doing anything.

Correct. But even if you are doing something you can't go out and eat a box of Donuts just because you ran a mile.

 

[Deleted member 17706]

I would agree that 100% of the food you eat over your caloric requirements do not get stored in fat. It will also build muscle. Is there somewhere else it can go?

And based off of what you said, if you're overweight or obese, is restricting calories not a valid method to lose fat?

Depends on a wide variety of circumstances in regards to how they get used. Tissue repair, muscle building, etc. etc. Some may just not even be processed for use by the body at all.

Restricting calories is a valid way to lose weight for sure. Some people find success doing it, but these are usually folks who have a decent understanding of nutrition and make sure they are getting enough protein and fat to keep the body going without sacrificing much muscle in the process. It's still a constantly moving target and any calculations made are based on a series of estimates, so don't expect accuracy.

Aren't carbs broken up into simple sugars which your body needs? Where else will you get that from?

Your body, specifically part of your brain, needs a very small amount of glucose to function. Luckily, our bodies are equipped with a system that allows us to create glucose from protein. If we didn't have this ability we would be if we didn't eat for a few hours--so any time we went to sleep.

Citation needed.

That's like asking for a citation about whether or not we need oxygen to survive. Google it.

Let's be real. The real key to obesity is not getting enough exercise, and sitting around all day.

Not true at all. If it were, everyone in a wheel chair would be obese.

Exercise is great, but it's absolutely not the key to keeping obesity in check.

 

[AstroLad]

How many carbs do you eat in a day?

I have type 1 as well but I generally eat around 100-120 a day. Some days like 80.

I eat probably ~45. I follow a slightly modified version of the Bernstein Diet, which is what got me on this low-carb kick over a decade ago now. Bernstein is a T1 who basically figured out himself that carbs were killing him. The only thing the throws me off sometimes is that I do like to eat salads and wings, and sometimes people sneak sugar into those and it's difficult to know. This is kind of why I'm hoping all this new knowledge about the danger of sugar pushes at minimum a reduction of just mindlessly adding sugar to things. Like if someone wants to eat Laffy Taffies or Big Gulps hey go for it, but why do things like pepperoni and blue-cheese dressing need added sugar (which they almost always have)?

 

[FreddieQuell]

You're genetic make up decides how much of the hormone you will secrete, if you want this information then you would need to get that tested through something like 23&me.

So would it follow that someone who was obese since childhood secretes more of this hormone and would fail at weight loss through calorie restriction?

Depends on a wide variety of circumstances in regards to how they get used. Tissue repair, muscle building, etc. etc. Some may just not even be processed for use by the body at all.

Restricting calories is a valid way to lose weight for sure. Some people find success doing it, but these are usually folks who have a decent understanding of nutrition and make sure they are getting enough protein and fat to keep the body going without sacrificing much muscle in the process. It's still a constantly moving target and any calculations made are based on a series of estimates, so don't expect accuracy.

I've actually seen great success and surprising accuracy with calorie counting and the resulting weight loss. Guess I'm one of the lucky ones.

 

[Muppet of a Man]

But where is the fat there?

What do you mean? No where did I say you had to eat low fat protein sources, couldn't eat fatty fruits, nuts, or seeds like avacado, coconut, tree nuts, peanuts, pumpkin seeds, etc., couldn't eat dairy/cheese, or couldn't use oils, butter/cream, lard, etc. in your cooking. I said deep frying and overly charring food was not good. You can bake, sautee, stirfry, steam, smoke, boil, broil, grill, etc. all without destroying the nutitional value of the food you are making.

 

[Deleted member 17706]

I've actually seen great success and surprising accuracy with calorie counting and the resulting weight loss. Guess I'm one of the lucky ones.

Statistically speaking, yes you are. You are in the upper echelons of the 1%. Failure using that approach is practically universal.

 

[EarsOfASnake]

So would it follow that someone who was obese since childhood secretes more of this hormone and would fail at weight loss through calorie restriction?

Less, Leptin is responsible for telling your brain you've had enough. A person may also secrete more of the hormone Ghrelin which would stimulate the desire to eat more food. Both can be affected by diet, for example Omega 3 fatty acids are useful for increasing the production of Leptin in the body.

 

[The Hermit]

That Lustig video changed my life, I lost 10kg in 2 years .

I still need to loose like 5kg, but now I know the path.

 

[infinitys_7th]

What do you mean? No where did I say you had to eat low fat protein sources, couldn't eat fatty fruits, nuts, or seeds like avacado, coconut, tree nuts, peanuts, pumpkin seeds, etc., couldn't eat dairy/cheese, or couldn't use oils, butter/cream, lard, etc. in your cooking. I said deep frying and overly charring food was not good. You can bake, sautee, stirfry, steam, smoke, boil, broil, grill, etc. all without destroying the nutitional value of the food you are making.

I thought you meant lean meat lol

Really, if you up the fat content higher on the other foods, what is the point of the starches/grains? They are primarily for energy, but fat covers that well enough on it's own.

 

[Raist]

That's like asking for a citation about whether or not we need oxygen to survive. Google it.

Well I can't find a single study that clearly shows that a zero-carb diet is fine no matter wht. Hence my request.

 

[infinitys_7th]

That Lustig video changed my life, I lost 10kg in 2 years .

I still need to loose like 5kg, but now I know the path.

I lost 150 lb (68 kg) in about 8 months on keto. Take that life change and multiply it by 7.

It's one of the reason I am passionate about this.

 

[Spring-Loaded]

Nuts.

The answer here is nuts.

i'm allergic doe

 

[AstroLad]

Pretty much.

Anyone that post something like "it's a conspiracy and THIS is the real truth" is 100% an hack. To say such a thing would be like knowing nothing of how science actually work and to pretend that you actually have an answer in a field as complicated as that? Please, sit down.

If you want to avoid getting fat and get diabetes, look at our diets from 60-70s years ago when we were much thinner and diabete was much rarer. Hint: we eated a lot of bread, just like Asia still eat a lot of rice.

EDIT: oh i see we're already at the point where calorie balance is nonsense. Well, America, stay exceptional i guess. You have all of the world to look at to understand how an actually good diet looks like but no, let's demonize nutrionisists and scientists because you can't be hassled to.

Did you even read the article dude? Try reading past the thread title next time before you call people out and defend hucksters. Please defend any of what's called out in there.

 

[The Hermit]

I lost 150 lb (68 kg) in about 8 months on keto. Take that life change and multiply it by 7.

It's one of the reason I am passionate about this.

Holy crap!

Congrats man!

 

[FreddieQuell]

Statistically speaking, yes you are. You are in the upper echelons of the 1%. Failure using that approach is practically universal.

Is that a failure in weight loss when successfully limiting calories or is it a failure to limit calories?

Less, Leptin is responsible for telling your brain you've had enough. A person may also secrete more of the hormone Ghrelin which would stimulate the desire to eat more food. Both can be affected by diet, for example Omega 3 fatty acids are useful for increasing the production of Leptin in the body.

So does leptin actually keep your body from using fat for energy, or does it only make it harder to limit your intake?

 

[xDUMPWEEDx]

Both can be affected by diet, for example Omega 3 fatty acids are useful for increasing the production of Leptin in the body.

The benefits of Omega 3 are amazing. Supplementing with Fish Oil is probably one of the best choices someone can make regarding supplementation.

Apart from a rare can of tuna in water, my Omega 3 intake would probably be pretty low without fish oil capsules.

 

[TheSlySoul]

If you want to avoid getting fat and get diabetes, look at our diets from 60-70s years ago when we were much thinner and diabete was much rarer. Hint: we eated a lot of bread, just like Asia still eat a lot of rice.

You are right in some sense with this, but it was because food 60 years ago did not consist of sugar drinks, processed meats (they were feed with grass and hay), and food was also more expensive so being fat was a thing only wealthy people did. It has flipped completely since processed foods became a thing. If only bread was not processed as well, then you would have a point.

 

[jman2050]

i'm allergic doe

Oh

Well uh

What AstroLad said then.

 

[Prototype Viktor]

Sugar doesn't (like all foods) don't make you fat. There's always other steps needed to become fat

 

[EarsOfASnake]

Is that a failure in weight loss when successfully limiting calories or is it a failure to limit calories?



So does leptin actually keep your body from using fat for energy, or does it only make it harder to limit your intake?

Leptin will influence your hunger level in general, not specifically fat, if your body isn't producing enough Leptin then you won't feel satisfied as quickly.

The issue of using fat for energy is related to which type of fat you are consuming. Long chain fatty acids, which most commonly feature in the the average diet, go through a long process of absorption before they are broken down to the point where your body will use them for energy. That makes LCFA one of the last sources of energy for the body, hence it is more likely to be stored in your cells.

 

[efyu_lemonardo]

So how do I gain weight in a manner that is healthy (currently underweight)?

I was under the impression that eating plenty of carbs was most important. I don't eat low percent fat yoghurt or cheese, just normal percent fat, and I get plenty of fiber from oatmeal, whole bread and fresh fruits and vegetables.

Should I be eating more protein (chicken, meat, eggs, fish) and more fat rather than more carbs? And if so, which kind of fat?

edit: also, is brown sugar ok as a sweetener or when cooking?

edit2: and is margarine not, in fact, a healthier substitute for butter?

 

[Sesha]

I feel so lost when it comes to dietary science. All these recent articles for the past few years about fat and sugar have made me incredibly unsure about what I thought I knew.

Add to that I've been trying to gain fat while avoiding excess sugar for years (currently 139lb at 6'1" with a thin build). Feels like anything I do is pointless because I'm losing track of what's the real science and what's food and sugar industry bullshit.

Edit: ^My problem is basically what Gentle Ben above me is asking as well.

 

[infinitys_7th]

Holy crap!

Congrats man!

Thanks!

 

[hurricanes]

I drink beverage all the time, just read the damn label before consuming and avoid soft drink/alike, those are poisons.

 

[The Hermit]

So how do I gain weight in a manner that is healthy (currently underweight)?

I was under the impression that eating plenty of carbs was most important. I don't eat low percent fat yoghurt or cheese, just normal percent fat, and I get plenty of fiber from oatmeal, whole bread and fresh fruits and vegetables.

Should I be eating more protein (chicken, meat, eggs, fish) and more fat rather than more carbs? And if so, which kind of fat?

edit: also, is brown sugar ok as a sweetener or when cooking?

edit2: and is margarine not, in fact, a healthier substitute for butter?

Margarine was created when people though ( thanks to us doctors) that the cholesterol found in the arteries come from the cholesterol we eat.
That's not true and it one of the biggest illusory correlation in public health ever.

Bottom line: eat butter, brown sugar=sugar so NO, eat more complex carbs, more fat and much more protein.

Run from simple sugar and especially frutose.

 

[Sesha]

Margarine was created when people though ( thanks to us doctors) that the cholesterol found in the arteries come from the cholesterol we eat.
That's not true and it one of the biggest illusory correlation in public health ever.

Bottom line: eat butter, brown sugar=sugar so NO, eat more complex carbs, more fat and much more protein.

Run from simple sugar and especially frutose.

What about people who are lactose intolerant? I can't eat butter or cheese. Should I just stick to margarine?

 

[Nollemaster]

I keep reading more and more stories about established scientists shunning other scientists who dispute the status quo. Really bad stuff if all those stories are 100% honest.

 

[Deleted member 17706]

Is that a failure in weight loss when successfully limiting calories or is it a failure to limit calories?

Obviously failure in limiting calories. If you don't provide your body with enough energy sources through the diet, it will find other ways to cope before it just gives up and dies. Breaking down body tissue for energy purposes is one of those ways of coping and that will lead to weight loss (although it certainly won't all come from body fat).

Well I can't find a single study that clearly shows that a zero-carb diet is fine no matter wht. Hence my request.

You could look up studies on longer-term ketogenic diets, although they might not be strictly zero carb (not even sure if zero is possible considering there is a slight amount in the mucus you swallow, for example).

Anecdotally, I've spent weeks at a time thriving while eating sub-20g carbohydrates.

 

[deadscreensky]

You are right in some sense with this, but it was because food 60 years ago did not consist of sugar drinks, processed meats (they were feed with grass and hay), and food was also more expensive so being fat was a thing only wealthy people did. It has flipped completely since processed foods became a thing. If only bread was not processed as well, then you would have a point.

Obesity has been strongly associated with poverty for literally a century. (It was widely considered a form of malnutrition.)

From the video some of us keep (unsuccessfully?) pushing in this thread:

These are not lazy, rich people getting fat.

People overeat because they are fat, it's not the other way around.

 

[titiklabingapat]

I'm already convinced that added sugar is the culprit of obesity and other modern metabolic syndromes. It really does come down to calories in, calories out and added sugar is the fastest way to stack it up. Bread and pasta isn't really that big of a problem from my point of view as they are usually eaten with meats and fats, and are easy to limit compared to added sugars in drinks. After all, many countries that have high pasta, bread and rice consumption have relatively lower rates of CVD compared to others - until added sugars got into their foods. Same reason fruits should never be demonized.

At this point I'm more interested in the saturated fat and CVD link. Added processed vegetable fats is another.

 

[PartlyCloudlike]

What about deep frying in fats generally perceived as ok to use for cooking? Often, it's claimed that this cooking method is unhealthy because of its association with breaded and battered high caloric recipes. I've also heard that heating the oil to higher temperatures "changes" the oil into something unhealthy. The type of oil is said to matter most of all (eg. Vegetable oil is bad, cold pressed oils are good ).

I like eating deep fried wings seasoned with a little salt and pepper. The crispy skin satisfies that textural craving I struggle with for regular, battered fried chicken. I use Pure olive oil because it has a higher smoke point due to it's refining. The quantity of oil I consume with each wing is not much more than a wing that is brushed with olive oil and oven baked. So is frying wings ok?

 

[Alligatorjandro]

I cut back a lot on sugar and I feel so much better. No more headaches or feeling sluggish.

 

[Deleted member 17706]

So how do I gain weight in a manner that is healthy (currently underweight)?

I was under the impression that eating plenty of carbs was most important. I don't eat low percent fat yoghurt or cheese, just normal percent fat, and I get plenty of fiber from oatmeal, whole bread and fresh fruits and vegetables.

Should I be eating more protein (chicken, meat, eggs, fish) and more fat rather than more carbs? And if so, which kind of fat?

edit: also, is brown sugar ok as a sweetener or when cooking?

edit2: and is margarine not, in fact, a healthier substitute for butter?

It is in fact not a healthier substitute for butter, because butter is amazing, tastes better, and there is nothing wrong with it from a health perspective, so it's better to use it rather than some overly processed monstrosity like margarine.

If you want to bulk up, you need to incorporate weight lifting or at least some kind of resistance training and be willing to eat a whole lot of food. The foods you listed seem clean enough, although I wouldn't recommend using much brown sugar.

 

[Azih]

Not all carbs are the same though right? A lot of places with traditionally carb heavy diets (rice) don't have much obesity.

Sugar is the culprit from what I understood.

 

[Psychotext]

What about deep frying in fats generally perceived as ok to use for cooking? Often, it's claimed that this cooking method is unhealthy because of its association with breaded and battered high caloric recipes. I've also heard that heating the oil to higher temperatures "changes" the oil into something unhealthy. The type of oil is said to matter most of all (eg. Vegetable oil is bad, cold pressed oils are good ).

Good info on that here: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-33675975

 

[PartlyCloudlike]

Good info on that here: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-33675975

Very helpful info, thank you! It explained several questions I had about frying at higher temperatures. I'm going to stick with olive oil for frying. Not sure how I'll get around the temperature issue since I like a very crispy skin and a juicy inside. Frying at a lower temperature for a longer time will eventually lead to crispy skin but could overcook the insides. Oven "frying" just isn't the same.

 

[Lego Boss]

I gave up processed foods I.e. choc, crisps etc for Lent and l immediately felt better.

I still ate a lot if carbs as l exercise a lot (l don't think they are bad for me, but it may be bad for others), but since Easter Sunday l've started on the choc again, and boy is that shit addictive.

Honestly l've tried most drugs, but sugar? That's the omega point. My wife and l are going to stop eating choc again from this Sunday. Enough is enough.

 

[Morrigan Stark]

Chicken, pork, eggs, butter, leafy greens, etc. are expensive?

Here? Absolutely, yes. Even chicken, despite being the most affordable meat right now, is not always that cheap. I only buy pork on sale now. And fish is insanely expensive, even when on sale, so it's almost like a treat for us now.

 

[titiklabingapat]

What about deep frying in fats generally perceived as ok to use for cooking? Often, it's claimed that this cooking method is unhealthy because of its association with breaded and battered high caloric recipes. I've also heard that heating the oil to higher temperatures "changes" the oil into something unhealthy. The type of oil is said to matter most of all (eg. Vegetable oil is bad, cold pressed oils are good ).

I like eating deep fried wings seasoned with a little salt and pepper. The crispy skin satisfies that textural craving I struggle with for regular, battered fried chicken. I use Pure olive oil because it has a higher smoke point due to it's refining. The quantity of oil I consume with each wing is not much more than a wing that is brushed with olive oil and oven baked. So is frying wings ok?

Yeah that's the next thing that would be 'discovered' to be bad for you as well. If you want to fry/deep fry stuff, use lard, butter or coconut oil.

 

[hurricanes]

Here? Absolutely, yes. Even chicken, despite being the most affordable meat right now, is not always that cheap. I only buy pork on sale now. And fish is insanely expensive, even when on sale, so it's almost like a treat for us now.

May I ask where you live? I live(d) in some of the most expensive cities in the U.S. and still able to eat seafood often without breaking the bank.

 

[greycolumbus]

Just consumed 2 times my daily allowance of sugar in one can. I'm so fucked.

 

[Morrigan Stark]

May I ask where you live? I live(d) in some of the most expensive cities in the U.S. and still able to eat seafood often without breaking the bank.

Montreal.
Seafood is depressingly expensive. I used to buy bags of frozen shrimps semi-regularly, now it's only for special occasions and when they're on sale.

 

[The Hermit]

What about people who are lactose intolerant? I can't eat butter or cheese. Should I just stick to margarine?

Well, that's not the first question.

In that case eggs could be an option. Try to avoid margarine and use olive oil,penaut butter or even nuts derivates.

I am surprised by the posts here, I though that, with the current "fitness movement" people would already know that just calories doesn't matter.

 

[RecRoulette]

Briefly touched on earlier, but what's the take on diet soda? I remember seeing people mention that it's close to the same level as water (aside from the acid's effect on your teeth of course). That seems too crazy to be true right?

 

[Azih]

Just consumed 2 times my daily allowance of sugar in one can. I'm so fucked.

Specially cause I think one of the points is that the daily allowance is bullshit.

 

[ArkhamFantasy]

Briefly touched on earlier, but what's the take on diet soda? I remember seeing people mention that it's close to the same level as water (aside from the acid's effect on your teeth of course). That seems too crazy to be true right?

It's not something you should be drinking alot of. 80% of your fluid intake should be water.

 

[Famassu]

I'm sorry, but carbs aren't the enemy. There's a good way of getting them (vegetables, whole grain, seeds & nuts) and a bad way of getting them (juice, white bread, plain sugar). Avoiding all carbs "like the plague" is dumb. At that point what, you're just eating meat & fat? That's far more unhealthy than a vegetable-carb-heavy diet.

Well, that's not the first question.

In that case eggs could be an option. Try to avoid margarine and use olive oil,penaut butter or even nuts derivates.

Not all margarines are bad.

 

[PartlyCloudlike]

Yeah that's the next thing that would be 'discovered' to be bad for you as well. If you want to fry/deep fry stuff, use lard, butter or coconut oil.

I used to pan fry chicken with coconut oil but the smoking point is so low. I'm accustomed to high temperature cooking because I like my food nicely seared and browned. With coconut oil, I have to be careful. Otherwise, if my attention to heat in the pan lapses, then before I know it my eyes are stinging. The oil has officially went beyond its smoke point. My eyes I don't see much smoke, but the smell and my tearful eyes tell me that I fucked up.

 

[Chie Satonaka]

*sigh*

I've been in the process of cutting way back on sugar, and it's really hard on me.

I love sweets. Especially baked goods and things such as lemonade.

 

[ColdPizza]

Montreal.
Seafood is depressingly expensive. I used to buy bags of frozen shrimps semi-regularly, now it's only for special occasions and when they're on sale.

What about fish like cod, Salmon, or haddock? Shrimp is generally pricey everywhere.