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"The thing about the iPhone 6 is that it just doesn't have problems"

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Wreav

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This is the thread that keeps on giving.

I thought we'd reached peak insanity fanboyism in the Android OT with NotBacon. I was very, very, very wrong.
 
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TekGryphon

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Cheebo said:
I use Android. I am calling you an idiot not because I am loyal to iOS but because you are a frothing at the mouth rabid fanboy hellbent on the idea that Apple is the enemy and anyone criticizing you must be Apple fanboys. Which is INSANE. NotBacon is disagreeing with you and calling you an embarrassment to Android fans too, is he an Apple fanboy too?

If you can't see you are acting like a kid from the Sega vs. Nintendo games you are blind. Did an Apple fan kill your dog or something? You seem to have some bizarre personal vendetta against people who prefer their products and are accusing anyone who is calling out your absurd claims as an Apple fanboy when most of the people in this thread telling you that you are wrong are well known members of Android-GAF.
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Are you fucking kidding me? The circle jerk from you handful of guys from the Android thread has taken up more space than all of my posts, while contributing absolutely nothing.

Can you point out a single useful, constructive piece of analysis by you, NotBacon, JuniorMint, Kharma, or the rest of the circle jerk? No? Then why is it we could eliminate 2-3 PAGES from this discussion just by ignoring your posts.
 
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Cheebo

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TekGryphon said:
Are you fucking kidding me? The circle jerk from you handful of guys from the Android thread has taken up more space than all of my posts, while contributing absolutely nothing.

Can you point out a single useful, constructive piece of analysis by you, NotBacon, JuniorMint, Kharma, or the rest of the circle jerk? No? Then why is it we could eliminate 2-3 PAGES from this discussion just by ignoring your posts.
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The problem is there is no reason to attack Apple and Apple "fanboys" in such a personal degree like you did. GAF pretty much steers pretty clear of that these days. Blatant fanboy attacks like you brought into this thread is highly frowned upon by both the iOS and Android types here. Smartphone fans on GAF get along pretty well. Your blatant fanboy attacks is just an embarrassment for everyone. No one wants fanboy wars here like you seem to think is a reality. iOS and Android users are just different sides of the same coin. Well all like following mobile tech and respect each platform for what they offer.

That is the issue. The second you started attacking "fanboys" is when everyone stopped paying attention to any of your arguments.
 
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TekGryphon

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rezuth said:
http://www.mobygames.com/developer/sheet/view/developerId,6784/

This Guy just answered why it's at least twice as effecient.
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Rezuth, correct me if I'm wrong, but weren't you the one that was personally identifying with Apple as a corporation, saying how great it was they were making 75%+ of the market profits while making only 15% of the units?

Now you're telling me that (1 GB of RAM)* 2 > 3 GB of RAM.

Come on, man. No one is denying that Apple, with its lack of hardware options or OS customability, is going to be more streamlined. You've even successfully identified one person (just one) who thinks it's "twice" as efficient (every other source I found puts it around 30-50%).

But that doesn't change the fact that, in this generation, Android flagships have moved to TRIPLE the RAM of Apple devices.

Cheebo said:
You keep accusing "Apple fanboys" of proving your point. When almost entirely everyone calling out your false claims happen to be people who use Android.
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Cheebo, I just did a search for your posts in this thread. You have not posted a single piece of analysis. Every single post by you has been for the sole purpose of personal attacks. Shall I go ahead and do a search for some of the others in your little circle jerk?

kharma45 said:
Bacon is now tame by comparison.
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This guy, too. Do a search. Not one post that isn't a flame. Zero contribution to the topic.
 
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subrock

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Nice, we have progress! Discussion can now continue under the pretense that 1Gb iOS ram is at least as good as 2gb Android ram until we can find a better source. I knew you'd come around.
 
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Apath

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BunnyBear said:
Really! Why isn't my phone bug-riddled?
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You seriously haven't had ANY bugs with iOS 8? Notifications forcing screen orientation, occasional touch screen freezes, safari crashing on a regular basis, calls freezing the phone, etc.

It's pretty well known that iOS 8 has been the buggiest iOS released by Apple. Kind of surprised I'm getting such defensive responses over it.
 
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adelante

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Draconestra said:
If you're getting an iPhone 6/6+, I need to warn you about the RAM. I upgraded from an iPhone 5s, and my current iPhone 6+ is better in every way except for the RAM. There are two things that bother me on a nearly daily basis. The first one has been brought up before, and it's Safari having to reload a page if you're multitasking through apps or even other tabs within safari itself. The 1 GB of RAM shows just how limited it is in this area.

The other thing is when I stream videos, sometimes it'll pause, and the timer will loop 5 or so seconds over and over again. At first I thought it was because my Wi-Fi was slow at work or at home, so I'd switch to LTE, and it'd still fucking do it. However, when I closed all the other recent apps on the multitasking tray, it would stop doing it. So, I'm thinking this is also caused by the lack of RAM. Either that, or the OS is doing poor managing here.

Another thing is that there are still popular apps that haven't been updated to support the new screen resolutions for the iPhone 6/6+, and so you have this blurry mess of an app. They still work of course, just looks odd.

And as for the guy spitting specs and all these other bullshit numbers. Let me tell you something, the consumers don't care about any of that. All they want is something that will work out of the box, nothing more. That is of course, subjective from person to person.
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Yup, I had an iPhone 6 Plus for about three months before I switched back to a Note 4. I posted my issue with the phone's lack of more RAM a while back:

adelante said:
Went from an iPhone 4 to a Note 2, then Note 3, then decided to jump back to iOS with an iPhone 6 Plus after finding out that Apple has introduced extensions and third party keyboards.

Maybe those features aren't mature enough (for instance, I fuckin LOVE how in Android, you can share or open any image in practically any app that supports it.) and maybe I'm too much of a poweruser (I like to switch between different photo editing apps to take advantage of features that each app does very well. VSCO to me allows for better exposure adjustment than say, Litely or Instagram. But more often than not, bringing up Safari in the middle of editing a photo with those apps meant that the third or fourth last used app gets rebooted; any edits I made in that app is gone).

Traded my iPhone 6 Plus for a brand new Note 4. Couldn't be happier.
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TekGryphon

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subrock said:
Nice, we have progress! Discussion can now continue under the pretense that 1Gb iOS ram is at least as good as 2gb Android ram until we can find a better source. I knew you'd come around.
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It's not progress if it's been an accepted fact from the beginning, but ok.

Now, can you acknowledge that being limited to 1 GB of RAM puts constraints on developers, causes applications to reload while multitasking, and forces higher data usage on users as tabs are always needing to be refreshed?

[EDIT] Or, fuck it, you can just read the opinions of people who spent months using the iPhone 6 above.
 
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NotBacon

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Wow I feel special /s

Messofanego said:
I think I'm decided on Note 4 for all the features, grippy cover, and copy pasting typing stuff even though I might lose out on superior battery life, not being as simple to use, and games. It just caters more to my priorities.
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Good choice! You'll be happy
 
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ZeroX03

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Kenak said:
You seriously haven't had ANY bugs with iOS 8? Notifications forcing screen orientation, occasional touch screen freezes, safari crashing on a regular basis, calls freezing the phone, etc.

It's pretty well known that iOS 8 has been the buggiest iOS released by Apple. Kind of surprised I'm getting such defensive responses over it.
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I haven't had any freezes but it's far worse than iOS7 on 5S ever was. Crashing, corrupted songs and using data when connected to Wi Fi. Not as bad as my S3 which had serious issues that really impaired usability but they do need to shape up for iOS9.
 
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Apath

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ZeroX03 said:
I haven't had any freezes but it's far worse than iOS7 on 5S ever was. Crashing, corrupted songs and using data when connected to Wi Fi. Not as bad as my S3 which had serious issues that really impaired usability but they do need to shape up for iOS9.
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I also have a really strange issue but I'm not sure if it's hardware specific or not. With my 6+, when in landscape mode the bottom and top of the screen do not register my touches. For example, I cannot hit the NeoGAF logo on the bottom of the screen in landscape but I can in portrait.

Forgot about how Face Time has some strange bugs, like hitting the home button during a call but clicking the Face Time app again doesn't bring the call back up. Or how the orientation is wrong 90% of the time, where the options bar that you pull up to display will only be on the side even if in landscape.

And I agree. If I update to iOS 9 and I run into problems as often as iOS 8, my next phone will probably not be an Apple phone. That would actually be kind of sad considering I've been using an iPhone since 2008.
 
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Lys Skygge

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Kenak said:
You seriously haven't had ANY bugs with iOS 8? Notifications forcing screen orientation, occasional touch screen freezes, safari crashing on a regular basis, calls freezing the phone, etc.

It's pretty well known that iOS 8 has been the buggiest iOS released by Apple. Kind of surprised I'm getting such defensive responses over it.
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I agree. iOS8 has been incredibly disappointing. At first I thought it was just not very well optimized for my iPhone 5 so I accepted the bugs. Well I got an iPhone 6+ a couple weeks ago and I'm still having several problems with iOS8.

Don't get me wrong. I still love my iPhone 6+ and Apple...but damn; iOS8 has been one of the worst things to come from Apple in a long time.
 
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ZeroX03

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Kenak said:
I also have a really strange issue but I'm not sure if it's hardware specific or not. With my 6+, when in landscape mode the bottom and top of the screen do not register my touches. For example, I cannot hit the NeoGAF logo on the bottom of the screen in landscape but I can in portrait.
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I just checked and I have the same problem on my 6 Plus too. Must be a code or layout incompatibility on GAF though as it doesn't seem to affect other sites.
 
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TekGryphon

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Lys Skygge said:
iOS8 has been one of the worst things to come from Apple in a long time.
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Do you think it's because this is the first generation (to my knowledge) that they've fragmented? They went from a single, linear series of phones (4 -> 4s -> 5 -> 5s) to a split series with the 6 and 6+, each of which are going to get their own refreshes.
 
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rezuth

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TekGryphon said:
Rezuth, correct me if I'm wrong, but weren't you the one that was personally identifying with Apple as a corporation, saying how great it was they were making 75%+ of the market profits while making only 15% of the units?

Now you're telling me that (1 GB of RAM)* 2 > 3 GB of RAM.

Come on, man. No one is denying that Apple, with its lack of hardware options or OS customability, is going to be more streamlined. You've even successfully identified one person (just one) who thinks it's "twice" as efficient (every other source I found puts it around 30-50%).
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Haha, are you still going on about this? You've asked me questions twice and I've provided answers for them. I have no idea how you can get this to me somehow identifying as a company or somehow saying that less RAM is always better.

If you don't want answers then simply refrain from asking questions.
 
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MercuryLS

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TekGryphon said:
Do you think it's because this is the first generation (to my knowledge) that they've fragmented? They went from a single, linear series of phones (4 -> 4s -> 5 -> 5s) to a split series with the 6 and 6+, each of which are going to get their own refreshes.
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Both iOS 8 and Yosemite are buggy and rushed. Apple needs to put more bodies on their os development or not time their software with hardware launches.
 
Shpeshal Nick

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You already own the best night camera on the market. Nothing else comes close. My 930 camera is a serious downgrade from the 920.
 
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adelante

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subrock said:
Source for ram discussion will be dismissed as a sheeple source
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I love editing photos (photo editor/graphic designer here) and as such, I love my Apple products. But not the iPhone. Like I said, I enjoy making edits to my images that I take with the camera. I used Snapseed on my iPhone 6 Plus, made some edits. Took a break from it to check emails or surf the web, return back to Snapseed and guess what, the app's been reset. All the edits I made are gone.

A more common average user experience would be having Safari to reload pages that you browsed earlier. Or Instagram reloading image feeds.

People downplay more RAM on Android phones because the OS isn't efficient in using it in the first place. While that may be true, the benefit to having more extend BEYOND just to support the OS, as stated in those examples I highlighted.
 
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TekGryphon said:
Amazon already had the Note 4 on sale once. There's no reason not to wait a bit for another sale. It's going to be a while before the Nexus 6 goes on sale.

I'm glad you're at least trying to participate, though. Even amateur advice can be useful.
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or get a time machine and get dat $200 off from Samsung or BestBuy
 
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TekGryphon

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adelante said:
People downplay more RAM on Android phones because the OS isn't efficient in using it in the first place. While that may be true, the benefit to having more extend BEYOND just to support the OS, as stated in those examples I highlighted.
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And that's the crux, which we've tried to get Rez and Sub to acknowledge repeatedly.

The increased efficiency of iOS is nice (really, it is nice), but it's not enough to make the iPhone 6 user experience comparable to Android flagships with 3x the RAM.

rezuth said:
Is that what you're trying to do
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Yes, that's what we're trying to do. To acknowledge that 1 GB of RAM is a flaw that detracts from the user experience, and not let "certain types" (I won't use the other word anymore, ok?) hand-wave it away as being "nil" difference.

I'm glad that after 8 pages of bullshit, we've finally been able to acknowledge it, although only after a dozen or so Apple users have come in and said "This fucking sucks".
 
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rezuth

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TekGryphon said:
And that's the crux, which we've tried to get Rez and Sub to acknowledge repeatedly.

The increased efficiency of iOS is nice (really, it is nice), but it's not enough to make the iPhone 6 user experience comparable to Android flagships with 3x the RAM.
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Is that what you're trying to do when you post random insults to people and ignore answers to questions if they don't fit your narrative?

I wouldn't mind more RAM in the iPhone but for me personally its not a big issue. The fact that Android phones have more RAM is great since it offsets the garbage collection that takes up a lot of memory, something that iOS doesn't have to deal with. No one has ever said that Android is a bad choice here.
 
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ZeroX03

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adelante said:
I love editing photos (photo editor/graphic designer here) and as such, I love my Apple products. But not the iPhone. Like I said, I enjoy making edits to my images that I take with the camera. I used Snapseed on my iPhone 6 Plus, made some edits. Took a break from it to check emails or surf the web, return back to Snapseed and guess what, the app's been reset. All the edits I made are gone.

A more common average user experience would be having Safari to reload pages that you browsed earlier. Or Instagram reloading image feeds.

People downplay more RAM on Android phones because the OS isn't efficient in using it in the first place. While that may be true, the benefit to having more extend BEYOND just to support the OS, as stated in those examples I highlighted.
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I think most people have reported huge improvements with the iPad Air 2's 2GB of RAM so it's hopeful the phones get bumped up to that standard with the S models.
 
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adelante

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rezuth said:
Is that what you're trying to do when you post random insults to people and ignore answers to questions if they don't fit your narrative?

I wouldn't mind more RAM in the iPhone but for me personally its not a big issue. The fact that Android phones have more RAM is great since it offsets the garbage collection that takes up a lot of memory, something that iOS doesn't have to deal with. No one has ever said that Android is a bad choice here.
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No one is looking past the issue of efficiency either when it comes to having more RAM on Android. We can talk all day about iPhone being able to do things faster with just 1GB, but can it do more? Nobody seems to wanna acknowledge that it actually can't.
 
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TekGryphon

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adelante said:
No one is looking past the issue of efficiency either when it comes to having more RAM on Android. We can talk all day about iPhone being able to do things faster with just 1GB, but can it do more? Nobody seems to wanna acknowledge that it actually can't.
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Ding, fucking ding.
 
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Dreams-Visions

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I have very few complaints about my 6+.

definitely glad I bought it. but I don't think I would have been disappointed with a Note. But with all the apps I already own in the iOS ecosystem, Android has to do more that it currently does to give me a reason to switch. they need something game-changing. I haven't seen anything like that yet...but if something game-changing comes in the future, I'll switch. For now, the quality and quantity of apps I want to have and problem-free OS (for me, anyway) mean I'm a happy camper.

adelante said:
No one is looking past the issue of efficiency either when it comes to having more RAM on Android. We can talk all day about iPhone being able to do things faster with just 1GB, but can it do more? Nobody seems to wanna acknowledge that it actually can't.
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indeed. but then the question is: what does it do less of, and do those features supersede the quality and quantity of exclusive apps and hardware designed to interface exclusively with iOS devices?
 
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Bacon

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Love my 6+. It has been perfect for me and what I'm looking to get out of a smartphone. Light gaming and web browsing (on top of basic phone features.) Plus the battery life has been great coming off my 4s.
 
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TekGryphon

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Sobriquet said:
What? For the Note 4? When was that? :eek:
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Bestbuy had a $200 trade-in, but it was for all Android phones. The only $200 off I found for the Nexus 6 was if you went with Cellular USA pre-order. My Google-fu might have failed, though.

Thanks for the drive-by personal attacks though. Remind me again what you've contributed to the discussion?
 
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TarpitCarnivore

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Holy shit this thread has been incredible.

Thank you for reminding me of why I stopped giving a damn about specs and just started buying the phone/OS that best suits my needs.

And FYI: Evernote is the most bloated piece of software. It amazes me how people continue to use that service.

Messofanego said:
Bayonetta 2 won.
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So what did you decide on?
 
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Sobriquet

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Messofanego said:
Note 4.

I think one of my parents was interested in an iPhone so might recommend 6 to them.
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Have you gone to play with them? I think we might get my wife a Note but I've never touched one.

edit: Now that I think about it I have played with a friend's, albeit briefly.
 
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TekGryphon

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TarpitCarnivore said:
And FYI: Evernote is the most bloated piece of software. It amazes me how people continue to use that service.
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Whoa whoa whoa, you can't just drop that and walk away.

What do you recommend then, that offers everything Evernote has?

TarpitCarnivore said:
Thank you for reminding me of why I stopped giving a damn about specs and just started buying the phone/OS that best suits my needs.
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Honest question: how can you decide what best suits your needs if you don't give a damn about specs? If you're not basing your decisions on actual data, then all that's left is marketing hype and hear-say.
 
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