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"The thing about the iPhone 6 is that it just doesn't have problems"

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Cipherr

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hirokazu said:
The reloading of Safari tabs annoys me, but didn't somebody do a speedtest switching between multiple apps on the iPhone, One M8 and Galaxy S5 a few months ago? iPhone was the fastest at it while the S4 reloaded almost every single app despite having 2GB of RAM. So it's not exactly comparable in that respect.
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The Galaxy Line is not the only Android phone. And it has demonstrably been the slowest at multitasking for two years now.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OQ_yquFUu8Y

The real kicker though is these little benchmark tests are not real life usage. Pick up your iphone and do more than just tap on an app to launch it and then minimize it. If you dig into the apps and actually USE them, THAT'S when you notice the ram limitations. And theres no magic bullet to fix it or make it faster. The phone isn't choking because the CPU is bottlenecking it, its completely and 100% a ram problem.

Edit: Give the iPhone equal ram and it likely outraces the other phones in multitasking in every scenario. Its really annoying to stick with such a paltry amount of ram these days.

Condom said:
Yeah but EU regulation will force the iPhone 7 or 8 to use the USB standard anyway.
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This is really good news from a consumer perspective. I didnt know about this.


Edit2: and Holy SHIT this thread is off the rails now. Should probably lock it before it deteriorates further.
 
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Assanova

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Spork4000 said:
Currently I have a G2, just wondering, did the decrease in resolution bother you? Also are glitches less frequent?
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Decrease in resolution? I think that my 6 plus looks better than my Note 2, but that may be due to me not having a screen protector on my 6 plus. My Note 2 didn't really glitch. The one thing that bothered me was that I kept having to erase my SD card because my note would stop reading it for whatever reason. It also has slowed down significantly over the past year. Not sure why. My iPhone 6+ has yet to glitch, but that may be due to me not having it long enough to notice any.
 
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TekGryphon

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Cipherr said:
This is really good news from a consumer perspective. I didnt know about this.
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I didn't either. As someone who has to buy IT equipment for our other officers, I'm forced to spend company money on Apple peripherals. If the EU can force Apple to stop gouging their idiot customers with proprietary garbage that are as bad for competition as they are the environment, I'll have a lot less problem with them.
 
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hirokazu

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TekGryphon said:
The entire world is moving on from Apple products as the public becomes more technologically literate and capable of understanding basic differences between products.
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Technologically literate people such as yourself, am I right? You seen to have a firm grasp of the difference between Intel's Thunderbolt protocol and Apple's Lightning connector. ;)
 
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kutthoat5150

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As a first time Iphone owner, my 6 has been working pretty good but the third party keyboards need a lot of work. Swype and Swiftkey are nowhere near as good as they were on android
 
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TekGryphon

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Assanova said:
Decrease in resolution? I think that my 6 plus looks better than my Note 2, but that may be due to me not having a screen protector on my 6 plus. My Note 2 didn't really glitch. The one thing that bothered me was that I kept having to erase my SD card because my note would stop reading it for whatever reason. It also has slowed down significantly over the past year. Not sure why. My iPhone 6+ has yet to glitch, but that may be due to me not having it long enough to notice any.
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The 6+ is definitely going to have superior resolution to the Note 2. The Note 2 is a 2012 phone with a 720p screen.
 
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ZeroX03

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hirokazu said:
Technologically literate people such as yourself, am I right? You seen to have a firm grasp of the difference between Intel's Thunderbolt protocol and Apple's Lightning connector. ;)
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TekGryphon said:
I didn't either. As someone who has to buy IT equipment for our other officers, I'm forced to spend company money on Apple peripherals. If the EU can force Apple to stop gouging their idiot customers with proprietary garbage that are as bad for competition as they are the environment, I'll have a lot less problem with them.
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I feel sorry for the company.
 
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King Tubby

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No hardware is free of problems, not yet. I had to deal with troubleshooting for iPhone 6 having inexplicable Wi-fi issues that were finally resolved by...leaving the home for a few hours, for some fucking reason. There's a 90+ page support thread on Apple forums specifically about this issue and none of the solutions presented there worked.
 
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……forgetit

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Assanova said:
Decrease in resolution? I think that my 6 plus looks better than my Note 2, but that may be due to me not having a screen protector on my 6 plus. My Note 2 didn't really glitch. The one thing that bothered me was that I kept having to erase my SD card because my note would stop reading it for whatever reason. It also has slowed down significantly over the past year. Not sure why. My iPhone 6+ has yet to glitch, but that may be due to me not having it long enough to notice any.
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Gotcha, but yeah there is a decrease in resolution between the two phones, still may consider it depending on what's on the market.
 
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hirokazu

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Cipherr said:
The Galaxy Line is not the only Android phone. And it has demonstrably been the slowest at multitasking for two years now.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OQ_yquFUu8Y

The real kicker though is these little benchmark tests are not real life usage. Pick up your iphone and do more than just tap on an app to launch it and then minimize it. If you dig into the apps and actually USE them, THAT'S when you notice the ram limitations. And theres no magic bullet to fix it or make it faster. The phone isn't choking because the CPU is bottlenecking it, its completely and 100% a ram problem.

Edit: Give the iPhone equal ram and it likely outraces the other phones in multitasking in every scenario. Its really annoying to stick with such a paltry amount of ram these days.
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The only situation I've been aggravated by RAM limitations is with Safari tabs. I haven't had much issue with multitasking, though I do agree that more RAM would probably make a huge difference there as well.

I've assumed Apple stuck with lower RAM both to increase profits and lessen the impact of more RAM on battery life, though I'm not entirely sure how much of a hit the extra RAM would have on battery.

One thing I know for sure is the short battery life on the 5 and 5s bugged the hell out of me so without knowing the exact RAM vs battery trade off, I'm quite happy with what they settled on with the 6 Plus at least.
 
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TekGryphon

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hirokazu said:
Technologically literate people such as yourself, am I right? You seen to have a firm grasp of the difference between Intel's Thunderbolt protocol and Apple's Lightning connector. ;)
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First of all, Thunderbolt was done by Apple and Intel to replace Apple's mini display port. Trying to act like it's an Intel product and not another proprietary piece of garbage primarily for Apple devices is disengenous at best.

You're correct, however, I did mix up Lightning with Thunderbolt. I think I may have stated the wrong fabric in the Gucci thread, too :( I'm horrified at my unprofessionalism in memorizing the stupid names of overpriced proprietary garbage.

Still waiting for someone to show me a Lightning cord that's less than twice as expensive as Amazon's $5 USB 3.0 cables.

hirokazu said:
The only situation I've been aggravated by RAM limitations is with Safari tabs. I haven't had much issue with multitasking, though I do agree that more RAM would probably make a huge difference there as well.
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This is a bigger problem than most people realize. If your tabs are constantly being refreshed due to RAM limitations, that's not just slowing down your user experience - it's wasting data.
 
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Aurongel

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Honestly, if the 6+ was the size it is currently and DIDN'T have stellar battery life then it would be a massive failure. I don't really see how that is impressive though given its' size. The amount of battery they can fit in their phones increases exponentially as the phone gets larger.

Or maybe I'm being too negative, I dunno. If the battery life of all their phones across the board didn't decrease by ~10% with every major iOS update then maybe I'd be more lenient.
 
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hirokazu

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Cipherr said:
This is really good news from a consumer perspective. I didnt know about this.
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Not really. IIRC, the EU regulations are already in effect, and Apple's solution has been to bundle a micro USB type B to Lightning connector adaptor with their phones there. Somebody correct me if I'm wrong.
 
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Eiolon

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I used to be an iPhone guy. When Apple refused to increase the screen size I went with a Note II. I now have a Note 4. Not being able to drag and drop files is a huge deal breaker for me now.
 
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Cipherr

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hirokazu said:
One thing I know for sure is the short battery life on the 5 and 5s bugged the hell out of me so without knowing the exact RAM vs battery trade off, I'm quite happy with what they settled on with the 6 Plus at least.
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Yep, if the decision was more ram and less battery life versus better battery and less ram, then I would have made the same choice they did.

A dead phone with a billion terabytes of ram aint loading a damn thing. Its just a small annoyance I have when using an iPhone, not that big of a deal. Truth be told, we are probably all spoiled by this tech when such small things are even noticeable.

hirokazu said:
Not really. IIRC, the EU regulations are already in effect, and Apple's solution has been to bundle a micro USB type B to Lightning connector adaptor with their phones there. Somebody correct me if I'm wrong.
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Damn. Better than nothing though I guess.
 
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TekGryphon

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ZeroX03 said:
This, this, this, this or how about three for $10 or how about adapters?
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One is $10, one is $10 with shipping, and the other has less than 50% review rating. I do like the Aerbs, especially since they seem to get good ratings, but it's the little adapters that I'm most interested in. If this was a few years ago, when USB 2.0 was relevant, I'd just grab a ton of those.

I'm looking to see if they have anything for USB 3.0, but no luck so far.

[EDIT] Found one. $5+, shit rating, and doesn't look like it maintains the amp rating or bandwidth of USB 3.0. Damn :(
 
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Guy LeDouche

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TekGryphon said:
I didn't either. As someone who has to buy IT equipment for our other officers, I'm forced to spend company money on Apple peripherals. If the EU can force Apple to stop gouging their idiot customers with proprietary garbage that are as bad for competition as they are the environment, I'll have a lot less problem with them.
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lol of course you're the office computer janitor lmao
 
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NotBacon

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Big phone? Nexus 6 or Note 4 no damn question.

Small phone? iPhone 6 or Moto X.

My recommendations are only for phones which I feel like don't have any downsides.
 
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rezuth

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TekGryphon said:
First of all, Thunderbolt was done by Apple and Intel to replace Apple's mini display port. Trying to act like it's an Intel product and not another proprietary piece of garbage primarily for Apple devices is disengenous at best.

You're correct, however, I did mix up Lightning with Thunderbolt. I think I may have stated the wrong fabric in the Gucci thread, too :( I'm horrified at my unprofessionalism in memorizing the stupid names of overpriced proprietary garbage.

Still waiting for someone to show me a Lightning cord that's less than twice as expensive as Amazon's $5 USB 3.0 cables.
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Except it ... wasn't? It was meant to replace USB and FireWire more than anything.

Less than twice as expensive? Huh, well if you mean under 10 bucks. Here is one: http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00RPJEHV2/?tag=neogaf0e-20

hirokazu said:
I've assumed Apple stuck with lower RAM both to increase profits and lessen the impact of more RAM on battery life, though I'm not entirely sure how much of a hit the extra RAM would have on battery.
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They're saying its a sourcing problem, they can't get enough of any other RAM.

TekGryphon said:
I hate to break it to you, but the smart phone market is in the billions. The iPhone 6 doing 70 million sales in its LAUNCH quarter is nice. That's it. Nice.
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I hate to break it to you but out of all those billions of phones sold, you know who actually makes money from them?

Apple accounted for 77.8% of mobile phone profits and Samsung 26.1%, for a total of 103.9%.

This precious Samsung of yours however has cut their profit forecast in half, due to them... Not selling phones.

TekGryphon said:
Apparently literacy is hard, too. I clearly stated what my prediction is.

Samsung is more than doubling Apple is market share each quarter in 2014. Those are those facts, and my office reflects that.

My prediction is that, among professionals (which my office is made of) the trend away from Apple will continue at the same advanced rate. Now, their children? Sure. Teenagers with daddy's credit cards love Apple, and they'll remain loyal. I don't care about children, though.
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I'm sure you have issues with your literacy because you clearly said "After the Note 3, S4, iPhone 5 generation, half the Apple users jumped ship." but its fine!

Your prediction is wrong as Apple is selling more and more phones each quarter. I would also like to point out that you saying "Samsung is more than doubling" is false, in fact the opposite is true. They have shrunken!
 
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TekGryphon

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rezuth said:
Apple accounted for 77.8% of mobile phone profits and Samsung 26.1%, for a total of 103.9%.
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Thank you. That point, right there, just sums up the entire argument for why Apple users are a joke better than anything I could have ever thought to bring to the table. I've bookmarked that for future use.

Apple is maintaining less than 15% of quarterly sales, yet accounts for over 75% of market profits.

hirokazu said:
Talk about moving the goalposts... >_>
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I'm sorry that you think providing $9.99 options was a valid example of "less than $10", when the other product we're talking about is $5.50. Cmon, man.
 
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ZeroX03

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rezuth said:
Your prediction is wrong as Apple is selling more and more phones each quarter. I would also like to point out that you saying "Samsung is more than doubling" is false, in fact the opposite is true. They have shrunken!
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Samsung are on borrowed time. When Xiaomi finally comes West they'll be going straight for Samsung's market.
 
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The Everyman
it's a great phone, but no problems?

huge bezel
slippery in the hand
bendable
great battery but not the best
might be too big for some
expensive
and if you prefer android... well
 
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rezuth

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TekGryphon said:
Thank you. That point, right there, just sums up the entire argument for why Apple users are a joke better than anything I could have ever thought to bring to the table. I've bookmarked that for future use.

Apple is maintaining less than 15% of quarterly sales, yet accounts for over 75% of market profits.
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What is the problem here?

Would you rather sell a hundred saltshakers and earn 10 bucks or ten saltshakers and earn a 1000 bucks?

Clearly you are on some kind of drug, benzo maybe since you're acting a bit aggresive.
 
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Ambient80

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Jesus, some of you need to get some damn perspective. Getting heated and putting people down because of what phone they use is so god damn immature. "I feel sorry for buyers of [product]." Oh please, get over yourself.
 
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TekGryphon

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Rezuth, can you please share with me the link you used that showed Apple was making over 75% of the profit share for the smartphone market?
 
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hirokazu

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TekGryphon said:
Thank you. That point, right there, just sums up the entire argument for why Apple users are a joke better than anything I could have ever thought to bring to the table. I've bookmarked that for future use.

Apple is maintaining less than 15% of quarterly sales, yet accounts for over 75% of market profits.



I'm sorry that you think providing $9.99 options was a valid example of "less than $10", when the other product we're talking about is $5.50. Cmon, man.
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1) That just tells me that Apple's been successful in the segment of the market that they focus on and that pretty much every other manufacturer is having a hard time turning a profit in their respectively targeted segments. You know, people aren't idiots like you take them for. They buy things that work for them and suit their life. It's a free market and if consumers have a bad time with a product, they won't buy it next time.

2) You told people to show you Lightning cables that cost less than twice that of your $5 USB cable. They did. You then said they didn't count because of such and such reasons you made up after they did. If that's not moving goalposts, I don't know what is.
 
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Jonnax

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Sir Abacus said:
May I present my two year old iPhone 5 which I just pulled out of the drawer.

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90% capacity after two years and still ticking.
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Your battery had 291 cycles. That's relatively few. I recall one of my Professors back at uni saying that a good rule of thumb is that after 500 cycles you should still have around 80% of max capacity. Though it'll deteriorate more rapidly after that mark.
 
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Ambient80

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Messofanego said:
Is the bendable thing a legit complaint or just people being stupid?
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It's possible to bend a piece of metal. See: iPhone 6, HTC One/One M8.

Is it that big of an issue? No, not at all. It takes quite a lot of pressure in just the right place on both phones to actually cause a bend.
 
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TekGryphon

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rezuth said:
What is the problem here?

Would you rather sell a hundred saltshakers and earn 10 bucks or ten saltshakers and earn a 1000 bucks?
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You're confusing revenue vs profit with an absurd scenario. Let me clarify your example for you and the other art majors here.

Company A and B make salt shakers.
Company A uses slightly better quality components in their salt shaker, costing $1 to manufacture compared to $.90 for Company B's salt shaker.
Company A sells their salt shaker for $1.10, Company B sells theirs for $1.50.
Both companies provide replacement parts which cost them both $.08 to make and are sold for $.10 from company A, and $.20 from company B.

Assuming Company A sells 1000 units with a 20% replacement part purchasing rate, that's a cost of goods sold of $1016. They then made $1120 in sales, for a profit of $104.

Assuming Company A sells 500 units with a 20% replacement part purchasing rate, that's a cost of goods sold of $458. They then made $770 in sales, for a profit of $312.

Thus Company A sells twice as much as Company B, yet Company B pulls in 3x the profit as company A.

As you can see, being Company B is absolutely great. Being a customer of Company B makes you an absolute moron.

Rezuth and others are arguing that, because Apple (similar to Company B) is making over 75% of the market's profits despite having less than 15% of quarterly sales, that that somehow makes them smart consumers. In reality, it makes them the exact opposite. They are cash cows being fleeced by a company that sells equivalent (if we're being generous) products for a massive price premium.
 
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