MHWilliams
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Currently, I'd agree with this.
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"The thing about the iPhone 6 is that it just doesn't have problems"
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Currently, I'd agree with this.
When you have battery life comparisons it's good to have more than 1 data point. In this case the Phonearena graphs people keep linking.
The Note 4 has better battery life in GFX bench:
BUT, look at that performance degradation over time:
iPhone 6+ holds it at around 30 FPS while Note 4 average drops to 15 FPS.
The Note 4 has better battery life in GFX bench:
BUT, look at that performance degradation over time:
iPhone 6+ holds it at around 30 FPS while Note 4 average drops to 15 FPS.
It has zero effect on you whatsoever that someone buys an Apple product. None. Yet, you go out of your way to insult that group of people like they're murderers or something. They're people who can afford and thus purchase a legal product because they enjoy it, and you're angry about that and want to insult them. I'm just really curious as to what your endgame is? What is your goal by making these posts? Is it the thrill of maybe making someone else angry?
Android is open but complicated as far a battery life goes. You've got to go in and manually manage permissions, wakelocks, blah, blah, and blah. I'm not saying there's anything wrong with that. I use doubletwist use the software the android device comes with to transfer files like movies and music.
Can you clarify what you mean by using multiple apps? The Note should be able to do this. On ios, it's technically possible to use multiple apps but not on the same screen. For instance, you can listen to podcast on stitcher and play Boom Beach. There are cases for both devices so I think your final point is a push at worst.
My gut tells you to go with the iphone 6. It's far more boring than Android from a software perspective due to Apple's rules and what they allow on their store. However, it's great for games and works well. The only downside is the 750p resolution but that's meaningless if don't mind the resolution. Apple's not selling phones because people are sheep, more on this later. If you need a smartphone today, look at the Z3. The battery life is great and it's not too big. If you have the option of waiting then wait for MWC when HTC will announce their next device. Whatever you decide to do, take your time and research the device you want to buy.
Tek came through on some phonewarz shit. He really said 75+ percent of profits and less than 15 percent of unit sales like that's a bad thing. Are Galaxy owners sheep because Samsung spends more than 10 fortune 500 companies advertising smartphones around the world? Android has advantages over ios and vice versa. Support what you want to support but refrain from shitting on someone over their choice in ecosystem.
Can you clarify what you mean by using multiple apps? The Note should be able to do this. On ios, it's technically possible to use multiple apps but not on the same screen. For instance, you can listen to podcast on stitcher and play Boom Beach. There are cases for both devices so I think your final point is a push at worst.
My gut tells you to go with the iphone 6. It's far more boring than Android from a software perspective due to Apple's rules and what they allow on their store. However, it's great for games and works well. The only downside is the 750p resolution but that's meaningless if don't mind the resolution. Apple's not selling phones because people are sheep, more on this later. If you need a smartphone today, look at the Z3. The battery life is great and it's not too big. If you have the option of waiting then wait for MWC when HTC will announce their next device. Whatever you decide to do, take your time and research the device you want to buy.
Tek came through on some phonewarz shit. He really said 75+ percent of profits and less than 15 percent of unit sales like that's a bad thing. Are Galaxy owners sheep because Samsung spends more than 10 fortune 500 companies advertising smartphones around the world? Android has advantages over ios and vice versa. Support what you want to support but refrain from shitting on someone over their choice in ecosystem.
TekGryphon
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Oh, we went from condescending to angry? Am I going to be furious next? Maybe sad? Terrified, even? I can't wait to find out.
99% of what's written on any game, product, or piece of technology has any effect on anyone. We discuss it because we want to. The topic, in case you've forgotten, was a blog stating that the iPhone 6 has no problems. That is religious-tier bullshit, and anyone defending it is neck-deep in that bullshit. I pointed out the problems, and in the process made fun of the people who want to act like their precious Apple device is a gift from the Divine.
That adjective you're looking for? It's smug. That's why I don't get upset at the insults coming the other way. You don't get mad when you've got numbers.
You can tell it's an Apple thread when people think an individual consumer represents the brand's cult image.
??? -- where would that be the case?
Edit: bold since I orginally read that wrong (probably because I'm used to people stating a larger number is actually more than a smaller number and didn't see anyone saying otherwise in this thread).
Wouldn't say that many find it "preferable" -- some simply don't really care that much about that ability since they are fine with the battery life of their phone (and/or simply using a charger).
When it means using the device that you prefer based on features, UX, ecosystem content transferring over, or other reasons, then yeah --- people don't mind paying extra for it.
Some are fine with 16/32 GB since they rely on streaming/cloud services. My phone is 128 GB since I don't wan't to rely on streaming services for music -- used a little bit more than half due to my music library. Don't think I'll be filling it up anytime soon.
Seems like you are tying in people talking about a company's business (because you started it/brought the topic up) in with reasons why people prefer a certain smartphone. Strange.
The smartphone superhero saving people from picking the (in your opinion) wrong choice!
Who is posting in the same style as you in this thread?
Funny considering iOS and Android users are finding your (childish) debate style pretty sad.
You can tell it's an apple thread when you show up crying.
TekGryphon
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The Note 4 has better battery life in GFX bench:
To be fair, though - I never hear Apple described as a good platform for intensive graphics. You hear music, browsing, etc, but I've never heard anyone tout is as being superior for games.
TekGryphon
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Where wouldn't it be the case that 500 is less than 330?
Really?
And thank you for that obnoxiously long post where you took every one of my examples of how Apple users hand-wave away the limitations and inefficiencies of their device by going through those limitations line-by-line and saying "less is fine".
I especially liked where you (again) dropped the fact that you bought a 128 GB iPhone 6+. I'm so glad you were willing to spend $200 for an extra 112 GB of space (and nothing else, just that), and then explain to us why being able to expand Android's storage by 64 GB for just $30 isn't a big deal.
Tell me, if Apple offered an iPhone 6++, with a 1440p resolution screen, would you pay an extra $200 for that, too? What about an iPhone 6++A with 3 GB of RAM for another $200? By the time you dropped an extra $1,000, you might actually reach Android flagship level specs.
It's really quite amazing to hear Android users say this, because Google also hates both of those things. No Nexus, which Android fans adore, has had a memory card slot since the Nexus One, or a replaceable battery since the Galaxy Nexus. Hell, at least Apple offers storage options greater than 32 friggin gigs (lookin at you, Nexus 9).
It's Samsung (and LG...sometimes) that brings those to the table, and you constantly hear Android fans bitching about TouchWiz and how terrible Samsung is.
For the record, I have an iPhone 6 Plus and a 2014 Moto X and love both of them. I honestly enjoy the OS of Android far, far more than iOS, but iOS has a much better ecosystem.
The original topic is irrelevant. It can be talked about without acting like you're on some superior high horse. The only person who is acting like they have been gifted something from "The Divine" is you trying to elevate your opinion with condescending attacks.
But you know what? Go on and have your trolling fun. Clearly your intellect is greater than any of us could imagine. If only we could have the same vast, infinite knowledge that you possess. If only...
Aquamarine
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i don't know, man....i love my samsung galaxy note 4
i have very few complaints about it
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Ha, I know. I've been wondering weather or not this guy was for real or not but that comment leaves no question he's just trolling. Thats some flat earth society shit.
TekGryphon
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Are you out of your damn mind?
The only benefit iOS on mobile devices has for games is that its rendering those games at weaker resolutions. The Note 4 is rendering games at 1440p. The iPhone 6+ at 1080p (same as my old Note 3 from last generation), and the iPhone 6 at 750p (standard on Android flagships 2 generations ago).
Do you do PC gaming? Do you use a 800x600 monitor so you can get 120+ FPS? For some reason I'm getting the impression you're one of those guys.
As others (Apple owners, mind you) have said, the iOS environment does allow apps to load faster, at times, than Android. But once you spend any useful amount of time inside those apps, the limited RAM of the iPhone (a pathetic 1 GB) is going to start bottlenecking performance compared to the 3 GB environment in Android flagships.
Mammoth Jones
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Always seemed to me that when it comes to mobile games iOS tends to be the lead platform. Android tends to have their releases for some titles a fair bit after it launches on iOS or sometimes not at all.
Never noticed much of a visual problem with recent games on the 6+
I'm sorry. Let me be more specific: iOS has a broader selection of games, more exclusives, and a higher quality library than Android.
He's referring to release date and/or exclusivity, I assume.
It's a much smaller issue than it was 1-2 years ago, but it would be incorrect to say that it still doesn't exist.
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I'm also under the impression that 6+ optimized games render at 1242 × 2208 and downscale to 1080p like the rest of the operating system does. To my knowledge its only videos that display at the native res and only when the UI isn't showing.
Sorry -- read that as 500 ppi being more. My (intended) point still stands though; don't see who would disagree a larger number being more.
Wasn't really long -- believe it had less text than your posts. I guess me breaking up your post made it seem that way though.
Funny you ignored my points via summing them up by saying "less is fine". I gave reasons for why some are fine with the limitations (i.e.: them not using their phones to the point in which they would want or need more) but it seems like you are too smug, stubborn, and shortsighted to realize it.
Yeah "again" (lol) because 128 GB isn't limited to many people. It's actually a lot to many of them because they have no need for that size as streaming/cloud services are being used more.
Uhh... I didn't do that at all. I simply said why some don't need or want more than 32 GB of space on their phone. I have a 128 GB phone because of all the music I have (that I bought from iTunes + downloaded from blogs). I prefer having my music everywhere I go.
First off, you really need to chill out. I don't see how you thought that would be a good reply based on the content of my post considering my post never mentioned any of that.
If (those) specs mattered the most to me, I would have a flagship Android phone. But they don't, and definitely not to the point in which I would spend $500+ more than the price I paid for my phone to have them.
The fact that you can't come to terms with the fact that people have different preferences/interests about products is hilarious. Never seen someone as invested in the "phone warz" as you.
IISANDERII
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On my Android i can play NES, SNES, Genesis, Playstation1, MAME arcade, Gameboy etc with a Dual Shock controller.
Finally upgraded from my iPhone 4 to the iPhone 6 last year at launch and I continue to be very pleased with Apple products. Super reliable software, great hardware build quality and a genius TouchID sensor, a vast selection of high-quality apps and a shitload of accessories to choose from.
I set up a bunch of Android devices in the family so I do know the other side a bit and frankly, that's enough of a turnoff for me to not consider an Android phone. Samsung devices especially come with so much bloatware, it's ridiculous and highly confusing from an UI perspective. If Android, then I'd rather look at the Google Nexus devices but the Nexus 6 is probably way too big for you anyway.
tl;dr: IMO the iPhone 6/6+ is a well-rounded device with very few actual drawbacks.
I set up a bunch of Android devices in the family so I do know the other side a bit and frankly, that's enough of a turnoff for me to not consider an Android phone. Samsung devices especially come with so much bloatware, it's ridiculous and highly confusing from an UI perspective. If Android, then I'd rather look at the Google Nexus devices but the Nexus 6 is probably way too big for you anyway.
tl;dr: IMO the iPhone 6/6+ is a well-rounded device with very few actual drawbacks.
Android also suffers from having to target a wider range of specs and devices so a lot of games don't get pushed in the same way that flagship iOS games do. The issue isn't anywhere near as bad as it used to be but still exists. Like iPhone performance on benchmarks: good optimization counts.
However, if we're talking game streaming and emulation then Android has a huge advantage. But native titles? iOS is ahead.
Everything about this post is unbelievably ignorant. I can't.
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Nah. No go. Emulation is awesome and Android is far better for it since there is no App Review. But that really is a completely different thing and not at all representative of the current gaming landscape. As a platform, iOS has become one of the absolute top tier players in the gaming space.
Android gets iOS ports.
TekGryphon
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That may have been true at some point, and it may still be true with a small selection of older developers, but Unity has become a titan in the smartphone game development industry and designing for one means designing for both.
I prefer Android gaming for the same reason I prefer gaming on my computer. More options, more power, and higher resolution.
[EDIT] Actually, after doing some research, it looks like that wasn't even true as far back as 2012. Unity was used to make the highest grossing iOS game, the iOS Game of the Year, and games in across the charts in every category.
Fahrenheit
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Torn between the Note 4 and the Nexus 6. I'm on Verizon so I got some time before the Nexus 6 comes out anyways to think it over.
freenudemacusers
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this has nothing on classic mac vs windows. some of those old newsgroups could scorch a forest in rainstorm.
Carton
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TekGryphon
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Nx6 has a slightly bigger screen, N3 has better pixel density. Both are great screens.
N4 has a superior back and front-facing camera. This is a small advantage.
N4 has an expandable memory slot. This is a big advantage.
N4 has a removable/replacable battery. This is a big advantage.
N4 has a stylus. This may or may not be important.
N4 has TouchWiz. This is a disadvantage, some would say a big disadvantage, although you can always root it once more options come out if you're comfortable doing that.
Those are the main differences. From there it's down to price, where the Note 4 is definitely a good bit more expensive.
Don't listen to this guy. There are numerous important differences.
LOL
"Hold on, Jim. Let me dial this down 2 generations so we can compare it to the iPhone 6".
ZackieChan
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The real crime here is that hair. Jesus.
They are so similar (and both the best phone you can get right now) from a hardware standpoint it's just up to your OS preference.
The only edge I'd give the Note is that great screen, whereas the Nexus has the advantage of pure Lollipop.
So really, TouchWiz (extra features) or pure Lollipop (awesome UI/UX), take your pick. That's all there is to it.
Carton
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You seemed to be advancing the idea that any gaming performance advantage seen on 6/6 plus was purely attributable to the lower resolution, which isn't the case; the 6/6 plus have a very capable GPU compared to that found in Android flagships even when resolution is controlled for. Furthermore, the 1080p screen of the 6 plus is the same resolution as a number of Android flagships (M8, GS5, Xperia Z2&3).
TekGryphon
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Correct. The 6+ has the same resolution as the Galaxy S5. It's also almost an inch taller and wider, weighs an extra ounce, costs $250 more, and IS AN ENTIRELY DIFFERENT CATEGORY.
What the fuck kind of comparisons are you doing here? Shall we compare the iPhone 6+ to the Microsoft Surface 3 next?
rokkerkory
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I have i6 its ok
Best thing is screen size other than that its just a decent upgrade from my 4s
Best thing is screen size other than that its just a decent upgrade from my 4s
Carton
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A comparison of GPUs and gaming performance in iOS and Android flagships, as per your post i originally responded to, and as per the contents of my posts.
Yeah but by doing that you suggested an iPhone might be capable of something, and that means it's wrong!
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He keeps moving the goalposts.
iOS has a bigger, better selection of games.
iPhone 6/6+ are the best performing phones.
iPad is the best performing (mobile)tablet.
TekGryphon
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I don't care how many sackriders come in here and defend you.
The iPhone6+ is a phablet. It gets compared to a Note 4.
The iPhone6 is a regular smartphone. It gets compared to an S5.
You're trying to get around the fact that Apple has weaker resolutions and pixel densities across the board by comparing the Apple phablets with Android smartphones.
Let me definitively clarify this for you:
Android Flagship Phablets: 1440p
Apple Phablet: 1080p
Android Flagship Smartphones: 1080p
Apple Smartphones: 750p
Do you understand? Are you still confused?
Mammoth Jones
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Only people that give a shit are hardcore tech pundits and people like us that argue about smartphone specs at 1am on a Saturday night on the Internet.
A phablet is a specific type of smartphone but it's a smartphone none the less. It can. E compared to a note or a nexus or a galaxy.
With that said I think resolutions and display qualities aren't an issue for damned near any modern smartphone. It's just bickering about what's on paper rather than the real user experience at this point.
But that's just me.
Carton
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In the post to which i responded, you said:
I responded with benchmarks performed by GSM and Anandtech, which demonstrate that both the iPhone 6 and 6 Plus have some advantages in their GPUs which still exist even when resolution is controlled for.
Considering the only people who care about a megapixel here, or a small PPI bump there, or a 20 minutes difference of battery, are about .5% of users, your position is nil. No one cares. Maybe you should just call it a night.
freenudemacusers
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gentlemen, we can debate performance specs, resolution, and operating system flexibility, but there is one metric that matters more than any other when choosing your mobile platform:
http://gizmodo.com/5609444/iphones-...oid-users-plus-which-camera-makes-you-sexiest
http://gizmodo.com/5609444/iphones-...oid-users-plus-which-camera-makes-you-sexiest
Thank you, I thought of EXACTLY the same thing
The fact that there are different metrics for "Samsung", "LG", "Motorola", and "Android", crumbles any credibility for me
Also Motorola camera sexiness being the worst is pretty lame considering the camera on the Nexus 6 destroys iPhone 6+ in blind camera tests.
EightBitNate
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Lol maybe you should read the OP.
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