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[TekGryphon]

Considering the only people who care about a megapixel here, or a small PPI bump there, or a 20 minutes difference of battery, are about .5% of users, your position is nil. No one cares. Maybe you should just call it a night.

I can't tell which is worse. Your technical illiteracy where you think replaceable batteries, expandable storage, 75% higher front camera MP, 25% higher rear facing camera MP, a stylus, and TouchWiz versus a $200 price discount are "nil" differences. Or your actual illiteracy where the first sentence in my post was that screen differences are marginal and you twist that into the opposite.

If you honestly think that there's "nil" differences between the Note 4 and the Nexus 6, then maybe you shouldn't be in a thread discussing phone specs while trying to score points. That guy is looking to spend his hard earned money on a product, and he doesn't need amateur hour from the peanut gallery.

 

[Deleted member 22576]

Tekgryphon I command you to exsclusively describe experience from now on. No more comparisons.

Illuminate us with your experience. Please. How do you use your phone? What is your phones role in your life? You climb through each day with this device participating in the experience. What is it about those moments in your life that cause this fervency?

 

[enigmatikone]

Describe in single words only the good things that come into your mind about your Android phone.

 

[TekGryphon]

Tekgryphon I command you to exsclusively describe experience from now on. No more comparisons.

Illuminate us with your experience. Please. How do you use your phone? What is your phones role in your life? You climb through each day with this device participating in the experience. What is it about those moments in your life that cause this fervency?

It's a smartphone. I do cool shit with it. I didn't pay a 25-50%+ price premium for a logo.

That last one makes me the most happy.

No itunez

Spotify

(does anyone still use iTunes? I'm not even shitting on it, it was great back in the day for moving us off physical media but Holy Christ, it's like 3 generations behind now)

 

[Nastrodamous]

Describe in single words only the good things that come into your mind about your Android phone.

No itunez

 

[Mammoth Jones]

No itunez

You mean the app or the iTunes experience on the computer?

The former is fine for buying music via phone. Works pretty well. The latter I haven't had to use on my phone in years. All in the cloud.

 

[terrene]

Describe in single words only the good things that come into your mind about your Android phone.

Emulation. Customization. Expandable storage. PC Streaming. Open source. Futureproof. Waterproof (S5). Drag-and-drop. Google Now. Material. MicroUSB. Auto update. Lock screen widgets. Split screen. VR. Multi login on tablets. Transit directions. Google Play Music > iTunes. Phone purchases valid across your Android Gaming Consoles/Shield products.

(Close to single word as I could do.)

 

[Talka]

A few of my problems with my iPhone 6:

• Scrubbing through songs from the lock screen only works half the time. The other half of the time the scrub doesn't take, or you accidentally unlock the phone.
• The iPhone 6 playlists for "Purchased songs" and "Recently added songs" have two problems: 1) songs only stay on those lists for like a month, then they disappear, and 2) the lists aren't sorted by date of purchase or addition. Old iPhones never had either problem.
• The fingerprint scan thing only works 50% of the time. If you just washed your hands, it works 0% of the time.
• The music player sometimes freezes up. In the last month, I've twice needed to entirely reboot the phone to get it to play anything.
• Notifications are handled poorly. If I get five new notifications, let's say, and accidentally unlock my screen without reading them (which happens all the time because of the fingerprint scanner), I can't find those five notifications easily. If I open the notification manager, all recent notifications are sorted by app. So my newest notifications might be 80% of the way down the list. Very frustrating.
• When I hit next song, it takes 1-2 seconds to actually jump to the next song. This happened immediately on all my old iPhones.

That's just off the top of my head. I'm sure I've had other frustrations.

I like my iPhone 6, but no, it's not perfect.

 

[Danneee]

Made the switch from apple and my 5S a couple of months ago and couldn't be happier with my Z3. Everything is just better.

 

[Bitmap Frogs]

Oh, we went from condescending to angry?

You are being both condescending and angry.

Really, get some perspective and read your posts. Displaying this kind of aggression over something mostly trivial is not normal, dude.

 

[JDeluis]

A few of my problems with my iPhone 6:


[*]The fingerprint scan thing only works 50% of the time. If you just washed your hands, it works 0% of the time.

Have you tried this yet?
http://www.imore.com/touch-id-not-working-you-heres-fix

It will improve the recognition. Helped improve my Touch ID . Won't be a 100%

 

[NotBacon]

That guy is looking to spend his hard earned money on a product, and he doesn't need amateur hour from the peanut gallery.

*bows down to lord TekGryphon*

I am so sorry for doubting your ability to make yourself sound superior

 

[Apath]

I'm not sure I can recommend an iOS device to anyone these days. iOS 8 is complete bug-riddled garbage.

 

[m_shortpants]

Today I played my PS4 from my Note 3 using the remote play app.

From 40 miles away. Fucking incredible.

 

[BlastProcessing]

That may have been true at some point, and it may still be true with a small selection of older developers, but Unity has become a titan in the smartphone game development industry and designing for one means designing for both.

I prefer Android gaming for the same reason I prefer gaming on my computer. More options, more power, and higher resolution.

[EDIT] Actually, after doing some research, it looks like that wasn't even true as far back as 2012. Unity was used to make the highest grossing iOS game, the iOS Game of the Year, and games in across the charts in every category.

I develop in Unity and the bolded is simply not true. I mean, I can get my iOS game to run on Android relatively easily, but to actually do the work necessary to tailor the game into something I would be proud of is definitely a non-trivial amount of work. Too much variety.

And when I see numbers like this, it's hard to justify the work. Instead we are turning our focus to Steam.

I have a Moto X and I dig it, but iOS devices are so much easier to develop for and are more performant. Combine that with the fact that it is way harder to sell a game on Android (F2P ain't for me) and it's pretty clear why iOS has the lead in games.

 

[jerd]

I usually avoid these threads because they're so predictable but I have to say, this one just brightened my day

 

[BunnyBear]

I'm not sure I can recommend an iOS device to anyone these days. iOS 8 is complete bug-riddled garbage.

Really! Why isn't my phone bug-riddled?

 

[Ollie Pooch]

Really! Why isn't my phone bug-riddled?

Or mine! I'm jealous.

 

[rezuth]

To be fair, though - I never hear Apple described as a good platform for intensive graphics. You hear music, browsing, etc, but I've never heard anyone tout is as being superior for games.

Haha, that's like one of the biggest lies I've ever heard. Even on this board people talk about it nonstop.

Oh, we went from condescending to angry? Am I going to be furious next? Maybe sad? Terrified, even? I can't wait to find out.

99% of what's written on any game, product, or piece of technology has any effect on anyone. We discuss it because we want to. The topic, in case you've forgotten, was a blog stating that the iPhone 6 has no problems. That is religious-tier bullshit, and anyone defending it is neck-deep in that bullshit. I pointed out the problems, and in the process made fun of the people who want to act like their precious Apple device is a gift from the Divine

You didn't point out problems though, you pointed out features that you like. This is not the same

Are you out of your damn mind?

The only benefit iOS on mobile devices has for games is that its rendering those games at weaker resolutions. The Note 4 is rendering games at 1440p. The iPhone 6+ at 1080p (same as my old Note 3 from last generation), and the iPhone 6 at 750p (standard on Android flagships 2 generations ago).

Do you do PC gaming? Do you use a 800x600 monitor so you can get 120+ FPS? For some reason I'm getting the impression you're one of those guys.

As others (Apple owners, mind you) have said, the iOS environment does allow apps to load faster, at times, than Android. But once you spend any useful amount of time inside those apps, the limited RAM of the iPhone (a pathetic 1 GB) is going to start bottlenecking performance compared to the 3 GB environment in Android flagships.

When rendering offscreen the iPhone still beats or is even with the rest of the phones. I can tell you're not well versed in the actual mobile scene when you start talking about Apple and somehow imagine their GPUs aren't top of the line.

 

[Messofanego]

When you have battery life comparisons it's good to have more than 1 data point. In this case the Phonearena graphs people keep linking.

The Note 4 has better battery life in GFX bench:

BUT, look at that performance degradation over time:

iPhone 6+ holds it at around 30 FPS while Note 4 average drops to 15 FPS.

Thank you so much, this is exactly what I wanted. So 6 Plus really is the best.

 

[Sec0nd]

The only problem iPhones have is the price. Otherwise I'd be all over them.

 

[Wreav]

The only problem iPhones have is the price. Otherwise I'd be all over them.

A 64gb 6 is the same price as a 32gb Note, sooooooooo

 

[injurai]

Today I played my PS4 from my Note 3 using the remote play app.

From 40 miles away. Fucking incredible.

how was the latency? I've only ever used to Vita and my PS3. But outside my own wifi I might as well not even bother.

 

[EmiPrime]

I think iOS8 is a bit crap compared to Lollipop and the iPhone 6 is a bit overpriced for what it is but TekGryphon makes me want to buy one out of spite.

 

[ScepticMatt]

People still think the verge is an apple fanboy site? lol.

They're not?

 

[strobogo]

My mom has had problems with hers. Lots of synching issues with iTunes, purchasing things on her phone that won't show up in iTunes, bluetooth issues in her car, headphone jack is very touchy, Safari crashing, and having to restart the phone to connect to wifi. Maybe she got a dud?

 

[Baron Doggystyle von Woof]

People really use widgets? I used android for four years and never really used widgets.

It's an OS choice now. There are almost no bad hardware phones.

 

[LeleSocho]

ITT: TekGryphon being particularly mad at people who buy stuff that he reputes inferior and trying his best to show how he is right and everyone else is doing a bad purchase buying Apple things.

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Having said that in its entire history this is probably the worst time to suggest an iPhone to someone or to call it "flawless phone".

Really! Why isn't my phone bug-riddled?

I'm glad you are not having problems, neither am i, but iOS8 is the buggiest release of iOS yet.

 

[chadskin]

My mom has had problems with hers. Lots of synching issues with iTunes, purchasing things on her phone that won't show up in iTunes, bluetooth issues in her car, headphone jack is very touchy, Safari crashing, and having to restart the phone to connect to wifi. Maybe she got a dud?

Definitely. I use my iPhone 6 daily on my 1hr commute to the university for listening to music and browsing the web and I'm having none of these issues. Not once since I got it on launch day. And I also never had to restart it, let alone to connect to wifi. I'd swap it immediately.

 

[Cheebo]

TekGryphon, you have likely turned more people OFF of Android to iOS with your posts. You have even turned NotBacon against you, who is one of the most pro-Android guys on GAF. No one likes someone who acts like a know-it-all and insults people. You are acting like a little brat who insults other kids on the playground for picking the "wrong" side in Genesis vs. Super Nintendo.

So congrats on acting like a 8 year old ignorant fanboy I guess?

My advice? Stay out of the Android Community thread, your childish attitude would not be welcome there at all.

Most users and fans of either platform here act like actual adults unlike you and see the appeal of the opposite platform and understand why people pick and prefer the platform different than their choice.

 

[Draconestra]

If you're getting an iPhone 6/6+, I need to warn you about the RAM. I upgraded from an iPhone 5s, and my current iPhone 6+ is better in every way except for the RAM. There are two things that bother me on a nearly daily basis. The first one has been brought up before, and it's Safari having to reload a page if you're multitasking through apps or even other tabs within safari itself. The 1 GB of RAM shows just how limited it is in this area.

The other thing is when I stream videos, sometimes it'll pause, and the timer will loop 5 or so seconds over and over again. At first I thought it was because my Wi-Fi was slow at work or at home, so I'd switch to LTE, and it'd still fucking do it. However, when I closed all the other recent apps on the multitasking tray, it would stop doing it. So, I'm thinking this is also caused by the lack of RAM. Either that, or the OS is doing poor managing here.

Another thing is that there are still popular apps that haven't been updated to support the new screen resolutions for the iPhone 6/6+, and so you have this blurry mess of an app. They still work of course, just looks odd.

And as for the guy spitting specs and all these other bullshit numbers. Let me tell you something, the consumers don't care about any of that. All they want is something that will work out of the box, nothing more. That is of course, subjective from person to person.

 

[rokkerkory]

If you're getting an iPhone 6/6+, I need to warn you about the RAM. I upgraded from an iPhone 5s, and my current iPhone 6+ is better in every way except for the RAM. There are two things that bother me on a nearly daily basis. The first one has been brought up before, and it's Safari having to reload a page if you're multitasking through apps or even other tabs within safari itself. The 1 GB of RAM shows just how limited it is in this area.

The other thing is when I stream videos, sometimes it'll pause, and the timer will loop 5 or so seconds over and over again. At first I thought it was because my Wi-Fi was slow at work or at home, so I'd switch to LTE, and it'd still fucking do it. However, when I closed all the other recent apps on the multitasking tray, it would stop doing it. So, I'm thinking this is also caused by the lack of RAM. Either that, or the OS is doing poor managing here.

Another thing is that there are still popular apps that haven't been updated to support the new screen resolutions for the iPhone 6/6+, and so you have this blurry mess of an app. They still work of course, just looks odd.

And as for the guy spitting specs and all these other bullshit numbers. Let me tell you something, the consumers don't care about any of that. All they want is something that will work out of the box, nothing more. That is of course, subjective from person to person.

I agree with these 2 issues too. I hope the 6S will have 1.5GB ram or 2 at least.

 

[Ian]

Late to this thread, but before I even clicked on it I knew that would be a quote from the verge. Lol.

 

[Red]

Thank you so much, this is exactly what I wanted. So 6 Plus really is the best.

Apple has a history of releasing exceptionally powerful mobile devices. The numbers only tell part of the story. By releasing their own hardware and software, Apple has created a platform so tightly integrated that they are able to achieve superior performance than competitors, despite Tek's protestations to the contrary.

 

[family_guy]

I think the 6 and 6+ are bad investments if you plan on keeping phones for a long time. If you can wait till late this year for a 6s and 6s+ I think you'll have at least get 2gb of RAM, a 12+ megapixel camera, and maybe they'll finally get rid of 16GB models completely and make 32GB the entry model. If you switch phones every year then by all means get an Iphone.

I'm rocking a Note 4 and I am very happy with it. Touchwiz sucks sometimes but it gets better everytime they release a new version of Android so I'm looking forward to the Note 4 update with Android 5.0 and new Touchwiz.

 

[TekGryphon]

TekGryphon, you have likely turned more people OFF of Android to iOS with your posts.

Yeah, no. This isn't a cult. You're not Tom Cruise, I'm not John Travolta. My being smug while predicting EXACTLY how Apple fans would hand-wave away flaws isn't going to show up on any Android market reports anytime soon - sorry, kiddo.

In my very first post on this thread (which, I'll remind again, was about the iPhone 6 being flawless) I pointed out numerous flaws, ranging from being limited to 1 GB of RAM, to lacking key features like expandable memory and replaceable batteries, to being a generation or two behind on screen quality, to the overpriced proprietary peripheral market.

In each of those I predicted that Apple fanatics, in this thread, would attempt to hand-wave those flaws away. They did exactly that. Even when other Apple users have come in and said "Yeah, not having a replaceable battery really sucks" or "Man, that 1 GB of RAM is really impacting performance", they STILL try to pretend that "it's nothing".

Apple fanaticism and brand loyalty is legendary. There's a half-dozen posters on this thread that fit the stereotypes perfectly. You may love wasting your time hearing some technologically illiterate hipster making up shit about "3 GB of RAM is less than 1 GB because iOS is 4x more efficient", but I'm not going to humor that bullshit.

 

[tanooki27]

the only wrong thing is that there's no papers, please for iphone.

 

[Messofanego]

I think I'm decided on Note 4 for all the features, grippy cover, and copy pasting typing stuff even though I might lose out on superior battery life, not being as simple to use, and games. It just caters more to my priorities.

 

[Fried Food]

As an owner of 6+, I disagree. Way buggier than 5 was

 

[TouchMyBox]

Sounds like you might want a OnePlus One? They're opening orders to the public later this month. I've got one and it has been great on the battery life front.

The iPhone 6 does seem like a really nice device too, but while I can almost stomach the limitations of iOS when it comes to my iPad, I doubt I would be happy with iOS on my phone, also spending $900 on a phone isn't something I'm interested in.

 

[Junior Mint]

Damn TekGryphon somehow turned a post asking him to chill out on the condescension and general frothing at the mouth anytime Apple is mentioned into an "Apple fans are all sheep and fucking idiots" post. Impressive.

 

[TekGryphon]

I think I'm decided on Note 4 for all the features, grippy cover, and copy pasting typing stuff even though I might lose out on superior battery life, not being as simple to use, and games. It just caters more to my priorities.

If you can operate a pair of shoelaces, you can operate a Note 4

Make sure you download Evernote, which is hands-down the best for taking effective notes and then transferring them to others or accessing on PC, and then download some of the great emulators. The gaming statistics are grossly overstated because Android users pirate a lot of their games (which is disgusting and I'm not saying is a positive), and because Android users are playing all the thousands of awesome console and handheld games we grew up with.

Damn TekGryphon somehow turned a post asking him to chill out on the condescension and general frothing at the mouth anytime Apple is mentioned into an "Apple fans are all sheep and fucking idiots" post. Impressive.

Again with your weird-ass cult-think. I made it clear SOME Apple users are fanatics who hand-wave away every point of concern on their Divine Artifact. I made it clear OTHERS are quite capable of pointing out both the pros (there are several) and the cons of Apple. What is with Apple fanatics and their constant fall-back to group-think mentalities. It was weird enough when that guy earlier was PERSONALLY identifying with Apple as a company, but then we've got guys like you who think every Apple user is a representative of the Apple Cult.

 

[kharma45]

Damn TekGryphon somehow turned a post asking him to chill out on the condescension and general frothing at the mouth anytime Apple is mentioned into an "Apple fans are all sheep and fucking idiots" post. Impressive.

They're beautifully embarrassing posts.

 

[subrock]

A few of my problems with my iPhone 6:

• The iPhone 6 playlists for "Purchased songs" and "Recently added songs" have two problems: 1) songs only stay on those lists for like a month, then they disappear, and 2) the lists aren't sorted by date of purchase or addition. Old iPhones never had either problem.
• The fingerprint scan thing only works 50% of the time. If you just washed your hands, it works 0% of the time.

That's just off the top of my head. I'm sure I've had other frustrations.

I like my iPhone 6, but no, it's not perfect.

Both the sort order, and the automatic playlist rules can be changed on a Mac. I agree that it's not ideal, but they are just rules that you need to change.

You can record the same finger multiple times which helps with accuracy. I have my right thumb in my phone 3 times

 

[The Faceless Master]

I think I'm decided on Note 4 for all the features, grippy cover, and copy pasting typing stuff even though I might lose out on superior battery life, not being as simple to use, and games. It just caters more to my priorities.

great news! feel free to stop by in the Android OT and Note 4/Note Edge thread anytime!

 

[subrock]

Apple fanaticism and brand loyalty is legendary. There's a half-dozen posters on this thread that fit the stereotypes perfectly. You may love wasting your time hearing some technologically illiterate hipster making up shit about "3 GB of RAM is less than 1 GB because iOS is 4x more efficient", but I'm not going to humor that bullshit.

Or you know, you could actually investigate why people say that.

http://www.quora.com/Why-is-automat...ch-more-efficient-than-JVM-garbage-collection

 

[TekGryphon]

Or you know, you could actually investigate why people say that.

http://www.quora.com/Why-is-automat...ch-more-efficient-than-JVM-garbage-collection

Maybe you could do us a favor and link us to the exact article that states iOS is 300%+ more efficient with its RAM?

just get the Note 4.

That's a bit of a flippant recommendation considering the Note 4 is $100-$200 more expensive.

Fahrenheit, go back a page. The differences between the Note 4 and Nexus 6 were detailed. I personally think the advantages of the Note 4 are more than worth the price premium, but you may not agree.

 

[The Faceless Master]

Torn between the Note 4 and the Nexus 6. I'm on Verizon so I got some time before the Nexus 6 comes out anyways to think it over.

just get the Note 4.

 

[Cheebo]

Yeah, no. This isn't a cult. You're not Tom Cruise, I'm not John Travolta. My being smug while predicting EXACTLY how Apple fans would hand-wave away flaws isn't going to show up on any Android market reports anytime soon - sorry, kiddo.

In my very first post on this thread (which, I'll remind again, was about the iPhone 6 being flawless) I pointed out numerous flaws, ranging from being limited to 1 GB of RAM, to lacking key features like expandable memory and replaceable batteries, to being a generation or two behind on screen quality, to the overpriced proprietary peripheral market.

In each of those I predicted that Apple fanatics, in this thread, would attempt to hand-wave those flaws away. They did exactly that. Even when other Apple users have come in and said "Yeah, not having a replaceable battery really sucks" or "Man, that 1 GB of RAM is really impacting performance", they STILL try to pretend that "it's nothing".

Apple fanaticism and brand loyalty is legendary. There's a half-dozen posters on this thread that fit the stereotypes perfectly. You may love wasting your time hearing some technologically illiterate hipster making up shit about "3 GB of RAM is less than 1 GB because iOS is 4x more efficient", but I'm not going to humor that bullshit.

I use Android. I am calling you an idiot not because I am loyal to iOS but because you are a frothing at the mouth rabid fanboy hellbent on the idea that Apple is the enemy and anyone criticizing you must be Apple fanboys. Which is INSANE. NotBacon is disagreeing with you and calling you an embarrassment to Android fans too, is he an Apple fanboy too?

If you can't see you are acting like a kid from the Sega vs. Nintendo games you are blind. Did an Apple fan kill your dog or something? You seem to have some bizarre personal vendetta against people who prefer their products and are accusing anyone who is calling out your absurd claims as an Apple fanboy when most of the people in this thread telling you that you are wrong are well known members of Android-GAF.

 

[rezuth]

Maybe you could do us a favor and link us to the exact article that states iOS is 300%+ more efficient with its RAM?



That's a bit of a flippant recommendation considering the Note 4 is $100-$200 more expensive.

Fahrenheit, go back a page. The differences between the Note 4 and Nexus 6 were detailed. I personally think the advantages of the Note 4 are more than worth the price premium, but you may not agree.

http://www.mobygames.com/developer/sheet/view/developerId,6784/

This Guy just answered why it's at least twice as effecient.

What this diagram shows is that garbage collectors are really awesomely fast if you have a relative memory footprint of 4 or 8.

In other words, you need four or eight times more memory, than you are actually using to be super efficient. But when the memory becomes constrained, that performance goes way down.

This is why Android devices have all that RAM.

iOS does not use this style of garbage collection and does not slow down in constrained memory environments.

So 1GB for iOS results in more performance than 3GB for Android.