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The UK votes to leave the European Union |OUT2| Mayday, Mayday, I've lost an ARM
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Just Tak3n feeling oppressed.
I'm pretty sure the question posed to the Scottish people made no mention of the EU.
phisheep
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Quiche keeps popping in and out.
Welcome back. Genuine question - has your opinion of Brexit changed at all with all that has transpired in the past few weeks? Are you still pro-leave? You don't necessarily have to explain yourself if you are, I'm just curious if all of the broken leave promises, political turmoil and rise in overt racism has altered your view at all?
The EU referendum question made no mention of immigrants, so I guess it wasn't about that then.
I just saw (and I think it was a father? Had a male name) and plenty of tweets defending what she said and what I think is complaining over the bullying to Leadsom.
She sounds vile just from the last hour of her tweets...
@jon_bartley
I’m on a hospital ward with my son, awaiting a delayed and postponed operation. Huge cheer just erupted at news Jeremy Hunt has been sacked.
@LouiseMensch
Well scumbag enjoy the fact you were wrong you loathsome tit. Jeremy is staying https://twitter.com/jon_bartley/status/753553397203296257 …
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/theresa-may-philip-may-amazon-starbucks-google-capital-group-philip-morris-a7133231.html
We had this yet?
May
Just not too much dear.
We had this yet?
May
Just not too much dear.
FWIW, given that this was an actual possiblity, devised years in the making. Even if somewhat theoretical and unlikely at certain points, I find the fact that the British Civil Service (as well as political leaders) were so unprepared rather flabbergasting. Almost beyond comprehension.
What a disgusting woman. How can you insult someone who's child is waiting for a delayed operation and is sick purely because he reported what he saw in a hospital?
I know quite a few people working in different hospitals over the country and overwhelmingly people seem (anecdotally of course) to hate Jeremy Hunt.
From her tweets, as far as she is concerned, the Junior Doctors are selfish and she is glad Hunt is back and doing what he does.
:/
There's no logic there. She's basically just a prettier version of Katie Hopkins. She's a loathsome manifestation what underneath the thin veneer of little England.
Nice straw man argument there.
AHA-Lambda
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What the actual fuck???
Yep, sorry, wrong pronoun.
Well if you don't like rhetorical devices being flung in your face, stop making simple statements ignoring context.
Yes the Scottish Referendum question did not mention the EU, it was a major campaign point on both sides. With Better Together clearly stating consistently the only way to stay in the EU was to vote no.
Similarly people and politicians are only able to say that freedom of movement is off the table due immigration predominance in the EU ref campaign.
The empirical evidence post ref suggests that most leave voters are now less concerned about immigration and more concerned about the economy and sovereignty. Although frankly I think they're just saying that make themselves feel better.
Funky Papa
FUNK-Y-PPA-4
There must be something in the water. A senior Toyota UK executive said right after the referendum that they were scared shitless of Brexit because they never thought it could become a thing and thus never planned for it.
It's almost as if the EU was the only one with a plan B.
PJV3
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The government made clear nothing has been done as no PM wanted it.
It's like nobody listens anymore to experts and the political elite.
Royal_Phalanx
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I feel like that's exactly why a lot of people voted leave- the elites and experts said that Remain was the best option. I get the feeling they wanted to 'screw over the establishment'. The question is whether May truly wants to Brexit or is looking for a way to half-ass it.
Just screwed themselves, the "elites" don't need benefits and are highly mobile. So congrats working class English you're the author of your own book of death again.
You can't say that "Scotland made it very clear that they will only stay if the rest of the United Kingdom voted to remain within the EU." That's not what was voted on. Making statements and proclaiming them as fact, and then complaining when you get called out on it is hilarious.
I stated a fact totally relevant to the post I was replying to. The literal opposite of a straw man. Nice reply with a picture though, marvelous form of debate.
Yes we can and indeed we do. Why are you idiots so determined to drag us down with you? Go live in your little right wing paradise and everyone else will live in this century not Victorian times.
PJV3
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No qualifications whatsoever, listen to me.
Louise Mensch is fucking vile.
What a cunt.
It's incredibly upsetting how stupid people can be.
What a cunt.
Pretty much.
It's incredibly upsetting how stupid people can be.
That wasn't me you were replying to. I made no such statement. Although given the guy is called kmax I can see why you'd get confused
I do think it's pretty silly not acknowledge that the EU membership was a major component of the Scottish Independence referendum campaign on both sides and there's plenty up in Scotland who are rightly pissed off especially on the back of the other broken promises by the ex-prime minister.
And that the snp manifesto included specific mention of a material change triggering a indy ref and Sturgeon repeatedly said leaving the eu if we voted to stay represented such a change.
Aswell as our parliament endorsing Sturgeon's efforts to keep us in the E.U and even Davidson basically accepting the current landscape has changed dramatically.
The Friendly Monster
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But the circumstances of the 2014 referendum have changed completely, why do you want to keep the Scottish people part of the Union against their will? Or deny them even the chance to express their will in a referendum?
It's impossible to have any sort of opposing view in this thread. I'm not an idiot and I'm certainly not right wing. I'd prefer Scotland to remain in the union but you being aggressive and sanctimonious doesn't shock me to be honest.
inoperativ
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Which is why the SNP's Holyrood manifesto called for a second independence referendum under these circumstances, since the democratic mandates from the two previous ones seem to be impossible to reconcile right now. Together with the Greens (who are just as strong supporters of independence) they won an absolute majority and have every right to enact their pledge. Any attempt by the UK government to block Sturgeon if she wants to go for it would be extreme hypocrisy considering the events since the last GE.
The Incarnation
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Grayling in Transport.
Got a nasty feeling Leadsom is going to be DWP.
Got a nasty feeling Leadsom is going to be DWP.
That wasn't me you were replying to. I made no such statement. Although given the guy is called kmax I can see why you'd get confused
I do think it's pretty silly not acknowledge that the EU membership was a major component of the Scottish Independence referendum campaign on both sides and there's plenty up in Scotland who are rightly pissed off especially on the back of the other broken promises by the ex-prime minister.
You replied to my reply. I obviously referenced the post I was replying to. I know it wasn't you that said it.
That's nice you want to deny us our own democratic will. Don't expect me to respect you in return, you deserve ire.
Burgess_101
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To think my constituency voted her in. Disgusting.
That's a weird statement considering that I have yet to respond.
To answer, no, that was not what was being voted on, but to imply that they didn't signal their intentions if brexit were to go ahead is false.
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Had Bremain won would we not even have this discussion right now.
Why are you putting words in my mouth? Where did I say Scotland shouldn't have a second referendum? All I said was the EU wasn't part of the question posed in the original referendum.
Sorry, I did confuse you with someone else! Apologies. Who are they? The million plus people who voted to stay or the SNP?
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No, it wasn't part of the question, but it was a very clear part of the campaign, mentioned a number of times by a very large number of pro-Union campaigners. Given the closeness of the result, the fact that one of the key points in favour of Remaining (that it would be the only way for Scotland to be inside the EU) has been critically undermined, it is hardly surprising that people feel betrayed and as though they were tricked into voting to stay.
HazySaiyan
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What are you talking about? So because it wasn't on the actual ballot EU membership wasn't a key issue?
Camp Freddie
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This article is really crap journalism (which seems very common from the Indie since it became a chumbucket internet-only 'newspaper').
May's husband is a client relationship manager. He doesn't control any investments.
The article implies he's some corrupt piece of shit simply when actually he just works for a bank.
And like most investment banks, they hold shares in big multinational companies.
I'm not a fan of Amazon, Starbucks and Google's tax-dodging, but it's ridiculous to smear someone as a bad person for working for a company that holds shares in them.
Surely it follows that people who actually buy stuff from Amazon/Starbucks and use google/chrome/android phones are even more evil. But I guess everyone at the Independent uses local high-street independent shops and Apple computers/phones.
Now I feel dirty for (indirectly) defending Theresa May.
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