Linkstrikesback
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What it actually means is "If I don't, the UKIP MP for my region will get my seat". Replace ukip as appropriate, I suppose.
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What it actually means is "If I don't, the UKIP MP for my region will get my seat". Replace ukip as appropriate, I suppose.
Royal_Phalanx
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Haha, he is a London MP, nobody votes UKIP there anyway and his seat is very, very safe. And it is a staunchly Remain city so if anything his vote share would increase. I might sound like a hypocrite because I previously asked him to reject airgun licensing because opinion in consultations was overwhelmingly against that idea, and I now am asking him if he would reject the referendum even though a very small majority of voters accepted leaving the EU, come to think of it.
JonathanEx
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sechsterangriff
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As someone already said, "you can't make this shit up..."
https://twitter.com/HeatherWheeler/status/767756321219379201
https://twitter.com/HeatherWheeler/status/767756321219379201
Royal_Phalanx
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Why do all the lunatic fringe right wingers have to be Brexiters and pro-Empire? I'm imagining a right wing Jeremy Corbyn like figure right now who allows the fringe members to take over a more centrist party and how much of a nightmare that would be.
Theonik
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Surprisingly people who think Britain still has an empire are more likely to believe they can rule the waves once more if only those stinky French and Germans would let them?
Nearly happened with IDS. You could argue that UKIP were centrist at one point, too.
EDIT: Hilarious fun fact I just discovered, Heather Wheeler was one of Cameron's A-list, the list of potential candidates they drew up after Cameron's election to broaden the Conservative party and make it less "reactionary".
RedSparrows
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Good luck with that approach, loon.
The Friendly Monster
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Holy shit...and they included the USA.
FlammableD
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They're not deluded, they just yearn for a time when things were simpler and the coloureds knew their place
Here's where Merkel, Renzi and Hollande were holding their Brexit talks:
A subtle declaration of war.
Friede Freude Eierkuchen is over, bitches.
I can't think of a time when I've been this dumbstruck. I'm truly fucking dumbstruck.
Member of Parliament.
I love that her defence was that she was making a joke, she's a member of parliament and should have acted far more professionally.
Yeah, as subtle as a sledgehammer to the face.Here's where Merkel, Renzi and Hollande were holding their Brexit talks:
A subtle declaration of war.
I especially love their choice of harbour: it's got a certain history.
Really laying it on thick.
Well, whatever works, I guess.
That's just one side of the story though right? Looks like independence would be a economic risk to Scotland as well.
Yes, I think it would be even worse economically. This is just demonstrating how much Scotland is losing for a decision that it voted overwhelmingly against.
There's got to be a standalone thread on this... but Jesus:
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-37177938
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-37177938
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America is lucky they got Trump and not Farage. Trump is too stupid to win. Farage has a low animal cunning and a fair dash of charisma, the last trait you want in such an odious figure.
It's ok when Britain does it of course
He's not foreign though, he was just visiting a part of the British Empire.
Bananajama
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He's not a politician anymore
If that helps...!
Well he is - but he's retiring from being a politician soon.
At least that's what I remember reading?!?
But no - he shouldn't have gone. But was probably paid to by the Trump campaign
If that helps...!
Well he is - but he's retiring from being a politician soon.
At least that's what I remember reading?!?
But no - he shouldn't have gone. But was probably paid to by the Trump campaign
QuicheFontaine
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An MEP is definitely a politician, and he's still one of those according to his wiki page.
Lol I just looked at that page, and it says that for Chairman of Europe of Freedom and Direct Democracy he was both preceded by "himself" and succeeded by "himself". Wut?
SporeCrawler
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Holy shit...and they included the USA.
Accept your new and old overlords
Not really. That ship is the flagship in the programme in saving stranded ships on the Mediterranean, usually full of refugees. Renzi just wanted to shine light on that.
chromatic9
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Persimmon has bounced back within 8 weeks
When the markets bounced back, finger pointers then used the, but but FTSE 250, then when that recovered it was "but but divergence" and used Persimmon to point the finger.
Before you scramble to Taylor Wimpey I'll save you the trouble, it's back to normal as well. Hell of a dead cat bounce folks.
Just to note I'm pro staying in the EU and as always not a thing has happened yet, just a shockwave and some weak hands. No shit has hit the fan yet despite the claims of the remainers and this isn't everything is fine despite the claims.
When the markets bounced back, finger pointers then used the, but but FTSE 250, then when that recovered it was "but but divergence" and used Persimmon to point the finger.
Before you scramble to Taylor Wimpey I'll save you the trouble, it's back to normal as well. Hell of a dead cat bounce folks.
Just to note I'm pro staying in the EU and as always not a thing has happened yet, just a shockwave and some weak hands. No shit has hit the fan yet despite the claims of the remainers and this isn't everything is fine despite the claims.
Persimmon has bounced back within 8 weeks
When the markets bounced back, finger pointers then used the, but but FTSE 250, then when that recovered it was "but but divergence" and used Persimmon to point the finger.
Before you scramble to Taylor Wimpey I'll save you the trouble, it's back to normal as well. Hell of a dead cat bounce folks.
Just to note I'm pro staying in the EU and as always not a thing has happened yet, just a shockwave and some weak hands. No shit has hit the fan yet despite the claims of the remainers and this isn't everything is fine despite the claims.
I am no economist but I always saw the leave vote as dousing a house in petrol, there was an initial fainting because what idiots douses their home in petrol? However, The House hasn't burnt down yet, but that's not surprising when you haven't lit the match yet. The thing is whilst you are acclimatising to your house smelling of petrol, do you really wanna light the match?
I'm so confused about what you're trying to tell me in this post. The 2 bolded statements especially seem to be "this is fine" and "this is not fine".Persimmon has bounced back within 8 weeks
When the markets bounced back, finger pointers then used the, but but FTSE 250, then when that recovered it was "but but divergence" and used Persimmon to point the finger.
Before you scramble to Taylor Wimpey I'll save you the trouble, it's back to normal as well. Hell of a dead cat bounce folks.
Just to note I'm pro staying in the EU and as always not a thing has happened yet, just a shockwave and some weak hands. No shit has hit the fan yet despite the claims of the remainers and this isn't everything is fine despite the claims.
"I like the Smell of Petrol in The Morning"
UcchedavÄda
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Are they still "back" once you account for the devaluation of the British pound?
KarneeKarnay
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Question. Will May push through Article 50 or reject it? I've been in discussion with friends of mine and we all agree either way it's political suicide. However there might be a third option.
Sticking Boris, a Brexiter essentially in charge of the of the negotiations. Get him to come back with the options. Go public. Nothing hidden and make point all the blame on the leaders of the Brexit for the crappy deals we are going to get.
Its like a daily occurrence these days to hear people complaining about the brexit. "We voted out! We didn't realise that the EU subsidies would go with the EU!"
Honestly if people voted today I think the UK would be firmly in. Plus combine that the leaders of the Brexit are still under investigation for Election Fraud! That might be the scape goat the world needs.
Sticking Boris, a Brexiter essentially in charge of the of the negotiations. Get him to come back with the options. Go public. Nothing hidden and make point all the blame on the leaders of the Brexit for the crappy deals we are going to get.
Its like a daily occurrence these days to hear people complaining about the brexit. "We voted out! We didn't realise that the EU subsidies would go with the EU!"
Honestly if people voted today I think the UK would be firmly in. Plus combine that the leaders of the Brexit are still under investigation for Election Fraud! That might be the scape goat the world needs.
Jezbollah
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It's going to happen. I'd say NOT invoking Article 50 would be a far bigger act of political suicide. As much as it will hurt the 48% (and I am one of them), Brexit has to happen.
Boris is not in charge of the Brexit negotiations - that position is with David Davis, appointed Secretary of State for Exiting the European Union
Royal_Phalanx
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I still believe the referendum should be ignored. If I was in government I would ignore it, likely by finding some roundabout means to reverse the (non binding) result. This isn't mob rule, why should we be held hostage by them? Can you withdraw from leaving even if Art.50 is invoked? I would send Boris to get some shitty deal and tell the people 'think again' as a means for avoiding Brexit. You can say 'hey, we tried to do what you wanted, it's just not realistic'. Like it or not Leavers, 48% of us want things to stay the same. I want to still be a European citizen. You can't push through everything you want and expect us to accept it!
nekkid
It doesn't matter who we are, what matters is our plan.
While the tangible benefits of staying in the EU are obvious to some, you can't simply ignore the result. Look at it from the other side:
"I still believe the referendum should be honoured. If I was in government I would honour it. This isn't elitist rule, why should we be held hostage by them?"
Putting comprehension of the political issue aside, wouldn't you be utterly pissed off if you voted for something and the government chose to just ignore the majority?
Now I'm not saying we should leave - far from it. But for the good of the nation the manner in which we do so should be treated with nuance, not simply forgotten about.
Bananajama
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I was on the leaver side (note - I actually couldn't vote for "reasons" - so don't blame me for any of this!
But now I'm just fed up of the whole charade and would rather we remain. It's doing my head in. (Even though our business is loving the drop in £ value)
But now I'm just fed up of the whole charade and would rather we remain. It's doing my head in. (Even though our business is loving the drop in £ value)
Our entire 'democracy' is built around ignoring the wishes of the majority. It's why we end up with Governments in almost total control with around 36% of the vote.
Royal_Phalanx
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If we always did what the 'majority' wanted we would have reintroduced the death penalty. Polls have shown a slim majority in favour of it. Part of democracy is also the balancing of minority interests with that of the majority. Important constitutional issues like this should be left for people who are far more qualified to decide, not for Joe down the pub.
That sounds like something we should want to change rather than an excuse to make things worse.
(Although I too hope this result is somehow overturned)
Brexit is going to happen. Whats up for debate is the terms of leaving and what the political, economical, and sociological consequences will be after leaving.
My hunch is that May is aware of the consequences of hard Brexit and damage it will do the Union and the economy (banks vs. people = bankers always win) and we will have a reasonable settlement that will cost the UK but will not significantly hurt it.
My hunch is that May is aware of the consequences of hard Brexit and damage it will do the Union and the economy (banks vs. people = bankers always win) and we will have a reasonable settlement that will cost the UK but will not significantly hurt it.
anonymous_abc
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Royal_Phalanx
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I was briefly thinking about voting Leave until I realized that the EU is probably much more benign an influence than the UK parliament. The UK Parliament and Government has constantly reduced the freedoms of the citizen. Not to mention the economy, and the perks of EU citizenship.
nekkid
It doesn't matter who we are, what matters is our plan.
I'm not saying we need to just accept the vote. The simple fact is that there are very few people qualified to make the decision in the best interest of our country, and frankly we shouldn't have been given that option. But we're in this situation now, and we need to find the best way out of it.
If staying in the EU is truly the best thing country, then the government should do what they can to keep us in. But just throwing the opinion of all those who voted to leave out the window, whatever you might think of it, is fucking lunacy. Nor can you just let it linger for years, because the economy needs decisiveness.
Either by a second vote (not a simple do-over, something different - perhaps a vote based on conditions of leaving), the voting in of a parliament whose policy is of remain, or something else. The majority of voters need to believe that their vote mattered and their lives will be better, even if the end result isn't exactly what they ticked in the box.
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