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The UK votes to leave the European Union |OUT2| Mayday, Mayday, I've lost an ARM

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illusionary

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European Parliament considers plan to let individual Brits opt-in to keep their EU citizenship
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...eep-parliament-live-move-abroad-a7405196.html
This is discrimating against Leave voters apparantly...
Interesting idea... I'm not quite sure how this sort of thing would end up working, but I'd be behind it.

Related: https://you.38degrees.org.uk/petitions/associate-citizenship-of-the-eu-for-those-who-voted-to-remain

Good. Let it.
Indeed...
 

chadskin

Member
Any hope of a swift US-UK trade deal after Brexit probably went up in flames today, given Trump's rhetoric on free trade.

One more reason to perhaps think this whole thing through again.
 

blu

Wants the largest console games publisher to avoid Nintendo's platforms.
Well, congratulations, mates, brexit turned out only the second-dumbest vote this year.
 

Zaph

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BBC News kinda terrible right now. Andrew Neil and Washington correspondent laughing about what a "surprising" and "spectacular" nation America is "in HD!", while two American hosts calmly remind them about his awful policies and political supporters.
 

Frodo

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BBC News kinda terrible right now. Andrew Neil and Washington correspondent laughing about what a "surprising" and "spectacular" nation America is "in HD!", while two American hosts calmly remind them about his awful policies and political supporters.

To be fair, "surprising" and "spectacular" are not necessarily adjectives that convey a positive message.

This is indeed a surprising result and this victory is spectacularly stupid.
 

kmag

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BBC News kinda terrible right now. Andrew Neil and Washington correspondent laughing about what a "surprising" and "spectacular" nation America is "in HD!", while two American hosts calmly remind them about his awful policies and political supporters.

Andrew Neil can be moderately amusing on occasion but at heart he's an utter prick.
 

norinrad

Member
May just got the support she needs, Trump is going to back her all the way and the UK won't be at the backseat of the trade negotiations. Funny how sad that is or not.
 

Sordid

Member
Newsflash: Sturgeon to get several-points bump in ratings by continuing to be extremely irritating to the Tories.

Not guaranteed. 2 local by elections in my part of Aberdeenshire saw the Tories win both, one from the SNP and one from the Lib Dems. A lot of people on my Facebook (lol) who I never expected are suddenly Tory supporters now. I've seen quite a few posts wishing harm/death on Nicola, it's crazy 😞

Anecdotal I know but not everyone hates Brexit/is swinging towards Indy2, plenty seem to be embracing what's happening unfortunately.
 

norinrad

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Trade negotiations in general are taking a backseat with Trump though.

Possibly, but he will be throwing his weight behind May, that is pretty much a given. Trump is not a fan of the EU in general.

The Republicans love a divided EU, more weapons to be sold.
 

Dougald

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I'm morbidly looking forward to those trade negotiations with the US.

I don't even know what to expect.

We're going to get the best deal, I tell you, the best. It'll be a huuge boost to the American
and maybe British
economy

Seriously I could see it going either extremely well or extremely poorly. It's hard to read Trumps true intentions there. But it'll be morbidly entertaining either way.
 

KingSnake

The Birthday Skeleton
I'm pretty sure UK will yugely benefit from that trade agreement. Some nice Trump casinos and hotels around England. Maybe Trump can solve also UK's housing crisis by building some great buildings in some nice green areas.
 
Trump seems to like us at least, and doesn't seem like a big fan of the EU. Also May wisely chose not to criticise Trump earlier in the year (like Cameron did) This could go alright for us!
 

Dougald

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I'm pretty sure UK will yugely benefit from that trade agreement. Some nice Trump casinos and hotels around England. Maybe Trump can solve also UK's housing crisis by building some great buildings in some nice green areas.

We'll just find some more ecologically significant sand dunes and pave them


Trump seems to like us at least, and doesn't seem like a big fan of the EU. Also May wisely chose not to criticise Trump earlier in the year (like Cameron did) This could go alright for us!

This could be the silver lining in this mess. But I'm finding it hard to read Trumps real thoughts on trade deals, I guess we'll have to wait and see
 
We'll just find some more ecologically significant sand dunes and pave them




This could be the silver lining in this mess. But I'm finding it hard to read Trumps real thoughts on trade deals, I guess we'll have to wait and see

The coherent understanding of his rhetoric is that he doesn't like things like NAFTA which potentially send blue collar jobs to cheaper, foreign lands. Given that we are, if anything, less industrial than the US, I shouldn't think that that particular argument applies, at least.
 
We're going to get the best deal, I tell you, the best. It'll be a huuge boost to the American
and maybe British
economy

Seriously I could see it going either extremely well or extremely poorly. It's hard to read Trumps true intentions there. But it'll be morbidly entertaining either way.

I'm telling you , it's going to be amazing. Both country are going to do some tremendous work. it's gonna be great

If people keep saying positive things , by the force of will alone , we'll avoid the disaster
 

Dougald

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The coherent understanding of his rhetoric is that he doesn't like things like NAFTA which potentially send blue collar jobs to cheaper, foreign lands. Given that we are, if anything, less industrial than the US, I shouldn't think that that particular argument applies, at least.

Yes, I can't think that Britain would be taking any jobs from the American workforce in that respect.
 

kmag

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The coherent understanding of his rhetoric is that he doesn't like things like NAFTA which potentially send blue collar jobs to cheaper, foreign lands. Given that we are, if anything, less industrial than the US, I shouldn't think that that particular argument applies, at least.

He's against TTIP and TTP as well. There was a lot of talk on both sides of the house that Congress would be very wary of passing any trade deals for fear of the 'Clinton' NAFTA brush.
 

oti

Banned
Trump seems to like us at least, and doesn't seem like a big fan of the EU. Also May wisely chose not to criticise Trump earlier in the year (like Cameron did) This could go alright for us!

Yay. Maybe Trump and May could even have a romantic dinner together and eat some children in a fancy restaurant.
 

oti

Banned
Hey, Obama said we'd be back of the queue, Trump says we'll be front of the queue. I'm looking at this as good news.

Sure, but doesn't it bother you that May is at the same "We are happy Trump won" party dancing with Putin, Le Pen and the rest of Europe's brown trash bags?
 

Dougald

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Sure, but doesn't it bother you that May is at the same "We are happy Trump won" party dancing with Putin, Le Pen and the rest of Europe's brown trash bags?

He's going to be president of the worlds only superpower, I think may would have said the same thing no matter who won
 

oti

Banned
He's going to be president of the worlds only superpower, I think may would have said the same thing no matter who won

Come on now, this is not what I mean. What May said is completely irrelevant. May and the UK benefit from this. They benefit from a US that doesn't coordinate with the EU as closely as Obama did or Hillary Clinton would have done presumably.

And if you're a Brit this must sound elevating, because it is. For you. But not being bothered even a tiny bit by the fact that your interests align with the interests of Russia and the European far-right movement? That's just sad.
 

Dougald

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And if you're a Brit this must sound elevating, because it is. For you. But not being bothered even a tiny bit by the fact that your interests align with the interests of Russia and the European far-right movement? That's just sad.

Not really, the rise of the right is terrifying for me, and I'd rather see it halted no matter the effect to my own county. I just don't think we can take May congratulating Trump as anything other than a nation which knows it's second fiddle to America keeping its place
 

oti

Banned
Not really, the rise of the right is terrifying for me, and I'd rather see it halted no matter the effect to my own county. I just don't think we can take May congratulating Trump as anything other than a nation which knows it's second fiddle to America keeping its place

Again, May congratulating him means nothing. That's just Diplomacy at work. There's nothing wrong with that. I also wouldn't expect May out of all people to place some warnings into her statement like Merkel did. May needs the US right now and this is a great opportunity to get a trade deal with them, without EU influencing the US at all.

Oh man, how did all of this become so messy so quick.
 

Joni

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At least Trump didn't get the popular vote unlike Brexit.

Pfizer has left Havent and moved to Belgium. 400 people have lost their jobs, but not because of Brexit...

Must be those EU rules about testing drugs.

He's going to be president of the worlds only superpower, I think may would have said the same thing no matter who won

Hollande, Merkel and others basically said good for you but we wanted Clinton.
 

Dougald

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Hollande, Merkel and others basically said good for you but we wanted Clinton.

Given how subservient the last 'left wing' government was to Bush, and the current Brexit situation, I'm not sure why anyone would have expected May to do anything other than praise whoever won the US election. Britain has been at America's beck and call for decades and there was no chance of that changing now

I don't agree with that, but had remain won and Cameron was still PM, I suspect he would have said much the same thing
 

nekkid

It doesn't matter who we are, what matters is our plan.
Tim Farron via The Guardian said:
Farron issued an angry statement after the result, saying the continued rise of the populist right did not have to be inevitable. “Liberal values of moderation, freedom, respect for the rule of law, openness and concern for one another can no longer be taken for granted,” he said.

“In the United States last night, those values were defeated. But those values are vital if we are to live together in peace, prosperity and freedom.”

Those who still believed in a future for liberal values “need to fight for them, to win the arguments, to inspire new generations to the great and historic cause of liberalism,” Farron said. “Never in my lifetime have those liberal values been so under threat, and never have they been more relevant and necessary.

“There is nothing inevitable about the rise of nationalism, protectionism and division. [The election of Canada’s prime minister] Justin Trudeau proves that. I am determined that together we must make it our mission to build that liberal cause. The alternatives are unthinkable.”

This seals the LibDem's vote from me should there be a snap election.
 
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