Blame Cameron for that.
He won last year and promised this referendum eventhough he was against leaving, he didn't have to do that but even then he could have atleast made it a supermajority vote.
He could have completely avoided this scenario.
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The UK votes to leave the European Union
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He won last year and promised this referendum eventhough he was against leaving, he didn't have to do that but even then he could have atleast made it a supermajority vote.
He could have completely avoided this scenario.
Heckler456
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Alright. They should definitely change that, because it's counter-productive.
Chainsawkitten
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There are no language proficiency requirements to become a Swedish citizen. Here are the requirements. The main one is you have to have lived in Sweden for 5 years.
No one
A fair number of people voted for UKIP in the last GE so at least some people did...
Screaming Meat
Unconfirmed Member
It is when the referendum was not even voted on by a majority. 51% of 70% is a minority. Democracy is flawed, accept it. We should have compulsory voting, like Australia. The amount of outright lies and deceit from the leave campaign also makes it a very flimsy result that should not be applicable.
Oh I see.
Well if they never leave then I doubt they would get worse than what they have simply out of spite. The current deal will probably always be on the table and UK would want more but EU won't give anything more.
However if UK leaves and then wants to join back then it isn't getting shit, and will probably have to adopt Euro on top of that.
No one was prevented from voting except by their own choice. I agree with mandatory voting but this does not reduce the legitimacy of the result.
Ardenyal
Member
Would you rather have them rioting on the streets? Seems like a more reasonable way to display how they feel
Can't you just organise a massive strike, block all Oil terminal, paralyze the country until the government steps back?
We're pretty good at that here in France.
It's just a referendum, many government doesn't care about the results, it's pretty incredible how legally binding this one seem to be.
We're pretty good at that here in France.
It's just a referendum, many government doesn't care about the results, it's pretty incredible how legally binding this one seem to be.
pacificrex
Banned
Voting should never be forced on the people. The salt is real.
they wont do a deal that allows free movement, simply wont happen, even the Government know if they did that they might as well have another referendum as the majority of leave voters were due to the free movement
They don't want free movement but they do want a deal. That was promised the voters as well.
Most countries don't organize them on a whim and remember to set up rules.
the angry sort are the leavers. i don't want riots
French is the easiest one to actually get as far as I know, if you do a 2 year masters (minimum amount of time from now where the UK is still in EU) then you only need to stay there for 2 more years to be eligible to apply for a French nationality.
This is what makes the UK amazing, they take democracy seriously. They've fought multiple civil wars over the idea.
Screaming Meat
Unconfirmed Member
That's why I love you guys. You don't take any shit.
It's not legally binding.
I thought so.
Here's an interesting petition:
https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/107516
Stop all immigration and close the UK borders until ISIS is defeated.
The petitioners even sourced their facts:
Daily Mail (not kidding)
Daily Express (not kidding)
Government responded
The UK government will not close Britains borders. It will ensure access for legitimate travellers and trade whilst operating its borders securely to protect the public from the threat of terrorism.
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Leavers are deluding themselves if they think k they can get single market access without freedom of movement. Especially now that the EU has to undermine the UK somehow to show its strength.
Voting should 100% be mandatory, just add a third option which allows people to abstain.
That way the vote is actually representative of what the population wants.
Instead we have a decision where just over 35% of the voting population has decided it for everyone.
Heckler456
Banned
Oh? Why's that?
In my country (Belgium), it makes it so every average voter is far more knowledgeable about politics than we would otherwise be. We also don't really have anything even remotely close to the type of demagoguery you see on your side of the pond, seeing as you don't need to get people emotionally riled up for them to even bother getting to the voting box.
"I don't know why I voted Leave for the lulz I guess I didn't expect Leave to win now I'm worried."
No, I get what you're saying and you're right. There's no going back now. Take it or leave it. UK isn't the only nation in this world.
Boris will try to get freedom of movement because that's what he wants. We're not going to have a referendum on immigration control.
GamerMax73
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I voted remain
I'm disappointed with the result
I now think the UK has to leave the EU
A second referendum is a very bad idea
I will vote leave at a second referendum
We've made our bed, it's time to lie in it.
I believe in a single unified federal EU
I want Britain to be part of that vision
But, Thursdays vote as fucked us over for a generation
Trying to reverse that decision now will just cause further divisions and resentment in an already broken country.
The only way forward for England now is to unify behind leave, get their head down and make as much of a success they can out of a bad situation.
For those, like me, who doesn't like the direction their home country is now moving in - Scotland, Eire, Sweden are all good choices.
I'm hoping for Scottish independence now and think I'll relocate at some point in the next 5 years. So long England, it was nice knowing you.
It shouldn't be a choice, it should be law. It does reduce legitimacy if it's both not a majority vote and if there were insufficient votes for an issue this large. Democracy is not tyranny of the many let alone tyranny of the few. The fact that two countries had a remain majority but are being forced to go along Wales and England is abhorrent.
British citizens abroad being unable to vote on an issue that directly affects them is also ludicrous. The referendum is nothing more than a showcase of democracy's inherent failings.
Does he?
I didn't know that was it just Farage who wanted closed birders then ?
Also what good does it do to have a deal where things are mostly the same except with reduced funding and no say in the EU parliament?
Heckler456
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What would be so terrible or undemocratic about an "are you sure" referendum, in which you present the terms agreed upon by the British parliament and the European council once you're there, compare it to what you used to have, and ask the British people if they still want to go through with it? I mean hell, the referendum isn't IN FACT legally binding. And while the government is kinda sorta obligated to adhere to its result, that doesn't actually mean that you should start making illogical decisions just because you deem it the right thing to do.
Tories will probably argue for Freedom of Labour - revoking of EU citizenship or political union or some such thing.
Alx
Member
Not that we'd ever do it to contest the results of an election. Whatever people demonstration you raise, you can't get as democratic as a referendum. The question has been asked and the answer given, for better or worse, there's no way around that.
Because the EU restricts the Tory government from REALLY fucking up the rights of the people. This is fuck the unions Boris Johnson we're talking about. He gets a shot at being PM, and the Tory government doesn't have good guy EU breathing down their necks anymore.
The poor fucked themselves over.
I will be more shocked than Leave winning if we actually have "increased borders" with a result of drastically less immigration.
Screaming Meat
Unconfirmed Member
Precisely. Guess who'll be picking and choosing the new laws that we'll be living with for god knows how long...
We had two options, to stay a part of a EU Referendum which gave out (terrible) concessions, or to leave the EU as a whole. The UK has made its choice. There will always be people who regret their decision, even in every day elections. There will be those who voted Conservative at the last election who now regret it, we don't need to hold 'are you sure' elections because of a tiny number of people.
This is exactly what they will argue for. They are against the automatic right of settlement as allowed by the Maastricht Treaty.
This isn't a Turkish Bazar. This didn't work for Greece and it won't work for the UK. Let's say the EU does give the UK a second chance, why wouldn't every other nation try to do the same? Do we really want to go through this? It would be a mess and weaken the Euro significantly.
This makes no sense, you will vote leave because you want unification since a changed decision will cause division...but then mention that you want to move to a different country.
Phoenix
Member
That would be sending the markets a message that you don't know what the fuck you're doing and simply spread even more uncertainty into the situation. The already shaky credit markets, which in part look at political predictability, will say you don't know what the fuck you're doing and downgrade you pretty quickly. On top of that you do some considerable damage to your internal political processes.
There is no "do over" from this one. The damage has been done - or more specifically, the process for damage is already in process.
The Incarnation
Member
Typical voter. All over the fucking shop.
If you want to know a very absurd thing: all the voting systems I know that have an "abstain" option (e.g. french presidential election)... completely disregard the abstain votes. They count toward the turnout, but are then discarded.
That is beyond stupid.
SimplyOlivia
Banned
I honestly think a second referendum should be considered. They didn't allow 16 or 17 year olds to vote but allowed 60+ year olds to vote even though they'll probably be dead by the time the effect of this vote takes place.
If the leave vote still manages to win then it's on the retarded teens not going out to vote for their future.
My uni is fucked thanks to this vote since they get most of their money from the EU and I don't know whether or not I'll have a class to go back to after the holidays.
If the leave vote still manages to win then it's on the retarded teens not going out to vote for their future.
My uni is fucked thanks to this vote since they get most of their money from the EU and I don't know whether or not I'll have a class to go back to after the holidays.
Was the EU involved when we backed the gay marriage bill?
What has the EU done about countries like Slovakia who is due to take the presidency of the EU soon and has openly said that Islam has no place in there country?
Get real, the UK is a tolerant country in spite of the EU.
It's doable, provided you can actually get Swedes to speak Swedish with you. In my experience, we tend to get so excited about getting a chance to speak English with a native speaker that the people I know who were serious about learning Swedish had to specifically ask us not to.
Supposedly, Swedish is a difficult language in general, but both it and English are Germanic which definitely helps. Anyone who takes time off to actually study the language seriously should be able to reach a conversational level inside of six months - provided you don't fall for the temptation to only speak English, which is easy to do because it's more than enough to get you through the day.
I don't understand why people aren't arguing along the lines of;
We understand that the majority have voted to leave, but the result was close, a large part of the country wants to remain close to the EU. So you should accommodate us by allowing the free movement of labour, visa free travel, whatever your desires may be..
We understand that the majority have voted to leave, but the result was close, a large part of the country wants to remain close to the EU. So you should accommodate us by allowing the free movement of labour, visa free travel, whatever your desires may be..
You know one of the biggest factor in the leave campaign was playing into the islamophobia right. The "Breaking Point" advert, people equating EU migration to non EU migration (like some dude did even here) and how this will now stop the Pakistani child rapists etc.
It's not Slovakia it's one guy from Slovakia who will become the president for 6 months until it comes back to UK.
Exactly, that way you piss of everybody....where at the moment you have 1 side happy and one side not, if you do deal with allows free movement, you annoy both sides and immigration wings itself right back to every election...
We are done, we are out...time to move on and do the best deal possible
Messofanego
Banned
St Georges nooooo
all because of "immigrants "
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Yep, that's what they'll be trying to get, but the EU seems adamant on forcing the UK to accept a Norway deal at best. Meaning freedom of movement or nothing. They have the Netherlands and Sweden among countries that need to be shown that you can't leave the EU and expect to get its benefits without drawbacks. One of Merkel's representatives outright said they will trigger article 50 by themselves if they can, because the UK needs to leave as soon as possible and the only deal it will get is a Norwegian deal at best.
London's economy could probably have given Sweden a go a couple of days ago.
It's strange how all of a sudden, all those big wigs in the City of London have been silenced. There's a lot of firepower there. Wonder if they will put their foot down.
Why do you think I'm talking about social policies? I implied what I was talking about in that very post. Worker's rights, human rights.
This is the biggest concern since even before the Brexit vote. Remember the disabilities issue, where people were forced into work and died because of it? It was the EU that was investigating that and deeming it illegal.
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now my earlier posts was me and another poster explaining WHY the person who tweeted could have a concern. so no need to tell me to get real, i never claimed to assume what the Tory government would do to LGBT rights.
GamerMax73
Member
Given that 48m people voted, the margin of error on the representative sample size is something like 0.00014%. Or put is another way, if more people voted the result would not of changed. If 100% of the 65m electorate voted we'd expect the exact same 51% in favour of leaving result.
Or, to put it another way - 51% or 72% is a majority because maths.
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