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[Jezbollah]

The referendum wasn't legally binding. It was a glorified opinion poll, in legal terms. We must now do all we can to make sure it is never acted upon.

As much as I'd love for this referendum not to be acted upon, whoever doesn't do it will be committing political suicide for them and their party. The entities involved (the person not acting upon it and those backing that decision) would not be electable for years. And that means not just the Tories.

 

[Izuna]

Slept for like 13 hours after being awake for 30+. Did anything new happen, apart from more people coming out and saying they are stupid?

Farage suggested that the NHS should be privatised in 10 years.

 

[Arksy]

The referendum wasn't legally binding. It was a glorified opinion poll, in legal terms. We must now do all we can to make sure it is never acted upon.

You're being silly, this poll is not technically binding but every single politician in the country is acting as if it was. Not even Nicola Sturgeon or anyone else is brave or foolish enough to suggest that anyone ignore the poll. To the contrary, everyone has accepted it. The idea that this result will not be given legal force is frankly fantasy.

 

[jufonuk]

Pretty much. The majority of Tory MPs voted Remain. Those same Tories would block any anti-LGBT laws attempted to be passed by those "far right"

Will they also allow workers rights , human rights and maternity leave ? ..

I think if none of these things were offered ... By the new Gov people would revolt more

 

[8bit]

If there's a gap we'll continue to pool from nations around us, I don't see that ending as we rely on them.

The UK pretty much announced it is an ignorant shithole to the rest of the world. You think anyone wants to go to a country where the locals are abusive and openly hostile to you in the streets? It might have been an attractive proposition years ago but not now.

 

[oti]

But the EU side can only postpone the deadline by unanimity among the remaining member states. That unanimity will come at a price.

It is in the best interests of the EU to have article 50 invoked as soon as possible because it gives them an advantage in negotiations. It is in the best interests of the UK to delay until we are good and ready.

It's in the best interest of the EU, the Pound and markets all over the world.

Just to be clear though: The UK has not spent a single second thinking about those negotiations since Cameron announced the referendum years ago? They haven't prepared at all for one outcome of the referendum of their lifetime? And now they want to prepare for it within three months?

What is this?

 

[MLH]

This whole thing has been about a petty conservative power-struggle.
Cameron stupidly decided to give us a referendum as a cheap way to win the general election. They continued the infighting and played with the lives of millions of people all because some greedy public school boys can't have their way in power...
It's sad that people have begun to look kindly upon Cameron, he's just as responsible for this mess as the rest of his party; him walking away from the job just shows that, for him, this was more about Boris vs Cameron than the future of the country. He doesn't give a shit, if he did he would be here to lead.

 

[samn]

You're being silly, this poll is not technically binding but every single politician in the country is acting as if it was. Not even Nicola Sturgeon or anyone else is brave or foolish enough to suggest that anyone ignore the poll. To the contrary, everyone has accepted it. The idea that this result will not be given legal force is frankly fantasy.

Johnson won't say out and out he's ignoring the poll. He'll renegotiate our terms with the EU, wave away article 50 as a technicality, and call another referendum to approve those terms.

 

[Jezbollah]

The europeans see it differently they want UK out ASAP
EU may also just dissolve and be established again without UK (what many people forget is that this happened a few times the last time with the treaty of lissabon)
The rest of the EU sems to want to change the EU anyways (closer union)

UK is not the only one effected here. I dont care if the UK has internal turmoil. The rest of EU wants a clear situation ASAP. I find it funny how you think that the UK is the only relevant party here.

You're right that it's not just the UK here. It's also the countries in the UK who might be harbouring the thoughts of having their own referendum. It's completely the future of the EU in general - something unprecedented has happened, and to a major player in the EU.

It is clearly the EU's intent to dissuade those other countries from doing the same that they hurt the UK as much as possible as a result of this referendum.

There are three parties here. The UK, the EU leaders and pro EU countries, and the countries in the EU that are thinking about leaving.

And the fact that the EU is in danger if completely disintegrating due to this president means that it's an issue that faces all the markets outside of the EU that deal with the common market now. Its essentially a global problem, and that's why you see market impact in the US and Far East.

 

[phisheep]

UK is not the only one effected here. I dont care if the UK has internal turmoil. The rest of EU wants a clear situation ASAP. I find it funny how you think that the UK is the only relevant party here.

I don't by any means think the the UK is the only relevant party. I'm just pointing out that our interests, and how they affect the timing of invoking article 50, are different.

 

[truly101]

I'm starting to wonder what all those European far-right parties actually want to do if they achieve their goal of leaving the EU. What's the plan here? Rewrite the rules of trade because that sure would work in your favour? Launch your own currency and just print it whenever you feel like it to kickstart a hyper deflation? Close your borders? Even if you did all of that, how long do you think it would take for even the biggest idiots to understand their mistakes?

Maybe they miss socialist dictatorships and want them to come back. The conditions are growing more favorable by the year.

 

[Vagabundo]

I've just checked. there doesn't seem to be any basis for revoking them, but then they never expected anyone to leave either.

It would not play well in the EU to continue paying pensions to a country that secedes.

They rarely do for politicians pensions. Same over here in Ireland. Ironclad.

 

[Steiner84]

I think Cameron has done the right thing by not executing Article 50 - as that puts all negotiations on an automatic two year timer. These negotiations will take a long time due to complexity - better to get them right first time rather than hurry it.

the EU could just plain and simple refuse to negotiate as long as there isnt an official leave notice.

 

[guit3457]

Every time there is an EU summit and I see the "photo family" of the EU leaders I'm always grateful and relief even though I don't agree with all EU policies.

Coming from where we were (WWI, WWII, Balkan wars, etc) we should be proud about this weird experiment the EU is. So sad about UK leaving the EU but NATO is still on

 

[phisheep]

Just to be clear though: The UK has not spent a single second thinking about those negotiations since Cameron announced the referendum years ago? They haven't prepared at all for one outcome of the referendum of their lifetime? And now they want to prepare for it within three months?

Of course there have been preparations. Gaffer Ding Ding (who is right in deep in the middle of this stuff) has mentioned them in passing.

It doesn't matter though, if there is not a political structure in place willing and able to take them forward.

EDIT: In addition, it is still possible (I don't say it is at all likely) that we will not leave the EU - I can think of about three scenarios where we would not leave. I might post a bit about that when I have more time.

 

[affleck1981]

Those on benefits and single mothers, just like the good old days.

It'll be the Scots first...

 

[Joni]

From what I understand there's basically one chance to undo this. If, when Cameron steps down and we have a new Tory leader, they continue negotiations with Brussels, we may be able to get some kind of 11th hour deal & with that on the table they can call a general election with that as a key point, or at least another referendum to make one last pitch at not leaving the EU.

That is the Greek tactic. It didnt end very well for them. The united Kingdom lost all power the minute it was announced. Either they voted remain which meant Cameron doesn't need a better deal or they vote leave and we don't care anymore about what they want. It was the second. Europe will try to say that article 50 was invoked by the will of the people unless the politicians in the UK backpedal very fast and return some advantages to the union. As no one on europe wants to bow for the UK and then see them have another referendum.

 

[Lime]

Maybe they miss socialist dictatorships and want them to come back. The conditions are growing more favorable by the year.

The far right aren't allying themselves with the left - they are allying with the right and to no ones surprise, unrestrained capitalism fits incredibly well with fear mongering hate and racism.

 

[Lime]

Complicated question, if I leave the UK to live in a Eu nation soon will I get to stay there after the leave is official?

As long as you are a EU citizen, you should move as soon as possible and apply for a workers permit or citizenship as soon as possible. Sweden is probably the best bet, but Germany should be pretty good as well.

 

[Jezbollah]

the EU could just plain and simple refuse to negotiate as long as there isnt an official leave notice.

Woof. Never thought of that.

 

[Steiner84]

I'm starting to wonder what all those European far-right parties actually want to do if they achieve their goal of leaving the EU. What's the plan here? Rewrite the rules of trade because that sure would work in your favour? Launch your own currency and just print it whenever you feel like it to kickstart a hyper deflation? Close your borders? Even if you did all of that, how long do you think it would take for even the biggest idiots to understand their mistakes?

country below a certain population just will go bankrupt eventually if they think they can leave the behemoth that is the EU in this day and age.
England will survive and eventually recover maybe, but smaller countries like belgium or even netherlands for exampl will have really rough times ahead

 

[jelly]

Anyone seen the Sun today, how things will change outside the EU, basically it's worse for you.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/living/1335107/holidays-wages-and-mobile-phone-calls-how-leaving-the-eu-will-affect-your-wallet/

Readers will enjoy that.

 

[Messofanego]

So while I've seen the hurt in friends already, the first knock back has happened tonight that affects me personally.

My girlfriend was planning to do her third year in Iceland, hence me saying about how I was going to go out there too and already had job offers. Well, my offers are still on the table and I would consider it if I wasn't with her, but her university sent an email tonight saying that there is no longer any funding due to the vote.

Fuck everything. I'm buying myself a Vive to cheer myself up.

Damn, that sucks.

 

[Miles Quaritch]

So while I've seen the hurt in friends already, the first knock back has happened tonight that affects me personally.

My girlfriend was planning to do her third year in Iceland, hence me saying about how I was going to go out there too and already had job offers. Well, my offers are still on the table and I would consider it if I wasn't with her, but her university sent an email tonight saying that there is no longer any funding due to the vote.

Fuck everything. I'm buying myself a Vive to cheer myself up.

Sorry to hear that man, she must be devastated.

 

[Steiner84]

So while I've seen the hurt in friends already, the first knock back has happened tonight that affects me personally.

My girlfriend was planning to do her third year in Iceland, hence me saying about how I was going to go out there too and already had job offers. Well, my offers are still on the table and I would consider it if I wasn't with her, but her university sent an email tonight saying that there is no longer any funding due to the vote.

Fuck everything. I'm buying myself a Vive to cheer myself up.

yeah erasmus is one of the first things that will go down the shitter that the young generation has to suffer and feel the impact immediatly.

sorry for you two

 

[PdotMichael]

Anyone seen the Sun today, how things will change outside the EU, basically it's worse for you.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/living/1335107/holidays-wages-and-mobile-phone-calls-how-leaving-the-eu-will-affect-your-wallet/

Readers will enjoy that.

A little late for such an article, dear Sun.

 

[truly101]

The far right aren't allying themselves with the left - they are allying with the right and to no ones surprise, unrestrained capitalism fits incredibly well with fear mongering hate and racism.

Exactly and history has shown that once the elite control like most of the wealth and resources, the rest of the population eventually revolts against them and the pendulum swings too far the other direction. I laugh when yokels here think Obama or even Sanders would turn the US into some oppressive socialist state, when its going to be shitbags like Trump and his policies that would create the environment for such a thing to happen.

 

[Monty Mole]

"damn that EU and forcing us to adopt their pesky human rights!!"

The same far right government that brought in legalised gay marriage?

 

[guit3457]

Anyone seen the Sun today, how things will change outside the EU, basically it's worse for you.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/living/1335107/holidays-wages-and-mobile-phone-calls-how-leaving-the-eu-will-affect-your-wallet/

Readers will enjoy that.

For shame!! For shame!!

The Brexit aftermath is just painful to watch...jesus

 

[Royal_Phalanx]

As long as you are a EU citizen, you should move as soon as possible and apply for a workers permit or citizenship as soon as possible. Sweden is probably the best bet, but Germany should be pretty good as well.

Citizenship is fastest to get in Sweden. Wonder if conversational Swedish is learnable in 2 years.

 

[CS_Dan]

The same far right government that brought in legalised gay marriage?

No, the ones that argued against it. Cameron is leaving, remember?

 

[samn]

The same far right government that brought in legalised gay marriage?

Cameron brought it in against the protestations of the right of his party - the right that just defeated him.

 

[pbsapeer]

I'm gutted about the whole thing but mostly sad that the U.K. Might split. My wife is NI and her family live there and I'm concerned what might happen with a NI referendum. I hate that eng and Wales voted out

 

[jelly]

From what I understand there's basically one chance to undo this. If, when Cameron steps down and we have a new Tory leader, they continue negotiations with Brussels, we may be able to get some kind of 11th hour deal & with that on the table they can call a general election with that as a key point, or at least another referendum to make one last pitch at not leaving the EU.


Am I dreaming, GAF? There's no hope of this happening, is there?

This has to happen. People didn't vote for a deal that exists. Labour and other parties need to offer this in their manifestos when a referendum is called. The public needs another vote to accept the new deal or stay as we are. No doubt in my mind.

 

[Joni]

The same far right government that brought in legalised gay marriage?

Looking at the Marriage (Same Sex Couples) Act 2013 a majority of the Tory voted against it. They formed 75% of the people voting against. Cameron became less popular because he pushed it. He is gone now. His opponents get the reign now.

 

[Hjod]

Citizenship is fastest to get in Sweden. Wonder if conversational Swedish is learnable in 2 years.

It's not that important to learn Swedish, almost everybody understands and speaks English.

 

[Izuna]

Cameron fucked this pig in particular.

Looking at the Marriage (Same Sex Couples) Act 2013 a majority of the Tory voted against it. They formed 75% of the people voting against. Cameron became less popular because he pushed it. He is gone now. His opponents get the reign now.

Ugh =(

 

[oti]

This has to happen. People didn't vote for a deal that exists. Labour and other parties need to offer this in their manifestos when a referendum is called. The public needs another vote to accept the new deal or stay as we are. No doubt in my mind.

As if the Leavers voted based on facts. I can't imagine a second vote.

 

[Jezbollah]

Looking at the Marriage (Same Sex Couples) Act 2013 a majority of the Tory voted against it. They formed 75% of the people voting against. Cameron became less popular because he pushed it. He is gone now. His opponents get the reign now.

Hopefully the pro LGBT Tories, SNP and Labour can form opposition to any of those opponents :/

 

[Screaming Meat]

Cameron fucked this pig in particular.

I always said England looked like a witch riding a pig!

 

[Izuna]

I always said England looked like a witch riding a pig!

So did my class of 2001. =P

 

[Joni]

Hopefully the pro LGBT Tories, SNP and Labour can form opposition to any of those opponents :/

The SNP doesn't vote on English laws, and those pro Tories might just have been loyal to their prime minister. Labor is in great shape so this will go well.

 

[SporeCrawler]

You're right that it's not just the UK here. It's also the countries in the UK who might be harbouring the thoughts of having their own referendum. It's completely the future of the EU in general - something unprecedented has happened, and to a major player in the EU.

It is clearly the EU's intent to dissuade those other countries from doing the same that they hurt the UK as much as possible as a result of this referendum.

There are three parties here. The UK, the EU leaders and pro EU countries, and the countries in the EU that are thinking about leaving.

And the fact that the EU is in danger if completely disintegrating due to this president means that it's an issue that faces all the markets outside of the EU that deal with the common market now. Its essentially a global problem, and that's why you see market impact in the US and Far East.

who would think that. All EU countries will now take a close look on how UK fares

 

[Lucumo]

Farage suggested that the NHS should be privatised in 10 years.

Yep, not surprising.

 

[Monty Mole]

Looking at the Marriage (Same Sex Couples) Act 2013 a majority of the Tory voted against it. They formed 75% of the people voting against. Cameron became less popular because he pushed it. He is gone now. His opponents get the reign now.

Didn't realise that. The Tories might not stay in for long though if there's growing pressure for an early general election as expected. But Labour won't win unless Corbyn quits.

 

[Sölf]

Cameron fucked this pig in particular.

But this "pig" looks more like a FF 8 Doomtrain! D:

 

[Screaming Meat]

So did my class of 2001. =P

I'm not alone T-T

Farage suggested that the NHS should be privatised in 10 years.

Over my dead body. I expect everyone in the country to take to the streets to defend the NHS.

 

[Izuna]

Didn't realise that. The Tories might not stay in for long though if there's growing pressure for an early general election as expected. But Labour won't win unless Corbyn quits.

The only people who would call for an early GE "IS" the Tory government. Last time there was a petition (because of the Panama BS) they shut it down and said they had the fixed term.

 

[Camp Freddie]

Hopefully the pro LGBT Tories, SNP and Labour can form opposition to any of those opponents :/

Oppositions can't pass legislation. May and her cabinet are highly unlikely to propose bills that protect LGBT people.

The only hope is that a debate on the "British bill of rights" (from the Queens Speech) will force her to add the rights that we'll lose when we leave the EU.

 

[oti]

Didn't realise that. The Tories might not stay in for long though if there's growing pressure for an early general election as expected. But Labour won't win unless Corbyn quits.

That's another reason why this situation is so terrible. Who's going to lead the UK through all of this? Who wants to be the person who has to admit to the population they got a way worse deal out of this? Who's competent enough to be a real leader and help UK to get out if this situation in one piece (literally)?