The Wii U in a worse or better shape after the PS4 reveal?

It is not worth. Some people have a mindset to the Wii U already and I accept that sales for this month are terrible. But

1.It has no marketing, Nintendo is waiting on healthier library of core and casual games. Marketing Relaunch.
2.It needs games, they will come.
3.People do not know the Wii U exists or thinks it is a wii addon (back to point #1)
4.Price (although now it is affecting) by when PS4 and Xbox launch Nintendo will have an advantage there. I even bet PS360 will compete with their next gen counterparts. This could become an issue as people don't see the need to upgrade yet.
5.Longer transition for new generation benefits Wii U if the sales are at least modest.
6.Best local mp and party console
7.Best Kid console while cattering to adults also. I bought it and I love it as well as my kids 6 and 8 year olds.
8. Art will make graphics in Nintendo games and first party games look awesome. This is a supposition but it makes sense, but we will see.
 
Magic Ovaries said:
So anyone have a list of 3rd party game(s) coming to wiiU this year?
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This is only games listed with a confirmed 2013 release date, taken from Wikipedia:

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That's about 4x-5x the number of known PS4 third party games.

I'm mostly joking :D
 
For me? Much better shape.

With the veil lifted from the PS4, there is no disruption. It was basically what everyone expected: a more powerful PlayStation. Also diminishing returns are here to stay, from a gameplay and graphics perspective.

I feel the Wii U is in better shape due to it's software being much further along, and also due to the gamepad not only being all sorts of awesome, but the continued support it is gathering.
 
BuzzJive said:
Plus:

Disney Infinity
Skylanders Swap Force
Rayman Legends
Lego Marvel
Watch Dogs


And of course we'll see EA sports games and Call of Duty and more announced at E3.


Basically, any third party game that has been announced since the Wii U came out has a Wii U version, aside from Destiny and Tiger Woods 14.
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and Witcher 3 :( probably several others.
 
I'd say better. With the PS4 taking all the headlines at the moment, all the Nintendo/Wii U gloom and doom stories are now old news. Any distraction is good during this time of nonexistant game releases and poor sales.
 
I'm amazed that there are people ITT that actually think that the Wii U is in a better position now.

I guess when you've practically hit rock bottom, you have nowhere to go but up!
 
BuzzJive said:
And of course we'll see EA sports games and Call of Duty and more announced at E3.

Basically, any third party game that has been announced since the Wii U came out has a Wii U version, aside from Destiny and Tiger Woods 14.
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Except for Madden 25, Murdered: Soul Suspect, Witcher 3, The Witness, and so on. Not to mention a slew of other PS360 multiplats not on the Wii U announced after the Wii U was revealed.
 
TheNatural said:
Your post reads like some PR release.

You realize that the console has been released right? "Working on", "should be", "in years time", etc are all phrases you say two years before the console is out, not months into it's life and when the foreseeable future release list the first half of this year is known and barren. You don't just flip a switch and games come out, these things are in the planning for months and years. The time was two years ago for this, not when the system is already released. You don't get that time back.

All these companies making these decisions for how launch games were going to be and what they were going to bring over this year have already MADE them. And any sitting around considering future titles are looking at the NPD's and saying 'wow console sales are bad and third party sales are even more horrible."

Really, how many launch companies do you think even covered the cost of their distribution, much less the cost of development or porting, with their launch sales? They were atrocious. Some of these figures Atlas probably couldn't have turned a profit on just in distributing.

There's no reason for companies to put games on a platform no one is buying, and much less the ones that even do have it aren't even buying third party games at all. This is why there's no Dead Space, Crysis, Metal Gear, Devil May Cry, Bioshock, etc out for Wii U. They aren't magically going to come in the future anymore than they were right now at this moment. At least before launch there was the promise it could take off, now the cold hard sales figures are out and no one is rushing to go lose money on the Wii U.
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No need to attack me my post by saying it reads like it's PR. We're just discussing the market and the console - leave it at that.

The rest of your post doesn't really further our discussion so I'll just state that I've already said in my previous post that some developers didn't get dev kits until way later, to the point where adding a Wii U SKU wouldn't be worth it.

Generally speaking the first year for console's is pretty slow; I didn't see developers abandoning ship before and I don't think it'll happen this generation either. These consoles definitely aren't going to move as quick as they did the last cycle.

TheNatural said:
There's nothing to do now without extreme moves. The release list is set up until the holidays, and the selling point of the console, the controller, is basically standard now in its usage and future games. They can't afford a price drop, and it probably wouldn't spur sales at this point in time anyway. The wheels are in motion.

My extreme move would be to wait it out and start selling a pro or OG Wii controller only SKU for $250 or less in the holidays, patch pro controller support into the games that can be patched that were previously released, and have all future games modified to use it with no problem.

Basically I would put the kaibosh on the tablet controller, still have it as an option accessory but not mandatory to actually play all the games on the system. It's not a selling point of the console, and it's the anchoring the price too high for the value you get versus the competition.

This would probably cut $100 off the cost of the Wii U, and set up Nintendo to possibly win on price point in the future. Even still, with 360 and PS3 in budget phases, they would have to compete with the long lives of those consoles as well.
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The controller makes the console. It's the feature that makes it their competitive advantage. What you're asking Nintendo to do is make another GameCube. That didn't turn out well for them the first time.

It's entirely the selling point of the console, just like the Wii Remote was for the Wii.
 
BuzzJive said:
Plus:

Disney Infinity
Skylanders Swap Force
Rayman Legends
Lego Marvel
Watch Dogs


And of course we'll see EA sports games and Call of Duty and more announced at E3.


Basically, any third party game that has been announced since the Wii U came out has a Wii U version, aside from Destiny and Tiger Woods 14.
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It's the same as ps3/360. For the first year or so you're going to see a lot of cross gen titles, and then after that you can kiss 95% of support goodbye.
 
Chinpoko_Master said:
I'm amazed that there are people ITT that actually think that the Wii U is in a better position now.

I guess when you've practically hit rock bottom, you have nowhere to go but up!
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Of course it's in a better position? Sony showed literally nothing that would compete with what Nintendo is doing, and the confirmation of 8GB of RAM guarantees that they don't compete in price either. Nintendo couldn't have asked for a more favorable PS4 unveil.

Microsoft could still prove disruptive (a PS4-powered console offered on contract or something), but PS4, according to all currently known information that is obviously subject to change, is no more a threat to Wii U than Vita to 3DS. Conversely, Wii U poses no threat to PS4, and Sony should not be any more concerned about it than Nintendo the PS4.

Wii U's biggest threat is itself, not whatever Sony is doing.
 
Derrick01 said:
It's the same as ps3/360. For the first year or so you're going to see a lot of cross gen titles, and then after that you can kill 95% of support goodbye.
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This depends on how the other two sell for the first year. Cross gen games come remain a thing for a while into next gen
 
I believe the Wii U is in a worse state now than before but not because of the PS 4 announcement.

The Wii U is a bed made entirely by Nintendo, it's not like when we found out about the Wii U we thought it'd be the strongest thing out there, no one truly thought that, there was no surprise with the Wii U being outclassed technically by the PS 4 and on the flip side we already knew a lot about the PS 4, so no I don't really think the PS 4 announcement meant jack shit.

But I do believe Nintendo is in a worse spot now than before but again, it's entirely their own fault and not that of Sony or anyone else.
 
alot of speculation for zero install base and what will be hefty price tag to boot. im curious to know how many here can actually afford one at launch.
 
Haziq said:
Generally speaking the first year for console's is pretty slow; I didn't see developers abandoning ship before and I don't think it'll happen this generation either. These consoles definitely aren't going to move as quick as they did the last cycle.
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Publishers didn't abandon ship because they had to stay the course. They had invested far too much into HD PS3 and 360 development to jump. They did so because the PS3 came off the back of the highest selling console ever; which, more importantly was also tremendously successful as a vehicle to sell their games.

The Wii U does not have this luxury, despite the Wii being ostensibly the market leader. It did not serve publishers well (blame whoever you want for this, it doesn't change that reality.)

We already have tacit confirmation of Wii U projects being scuttled and support dwindling from an industry insider.
 
ari said:
why did they bought wii fit plus?
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Well, some popular franchises sometimes just stop selling like they used to. Especially when it comes to non-traditional games.

We saw this with Nintendo's Nintendogs, Wii Play. And I thought that the new Brain Age bombed in Japan too. Guitar Hero and Rockband also just stopped selling all of a sudden.

Wii Fit's past success is no guarantee for the U version to succeed also.
 
ari said:
Gamecube was a disaster and N64 didn't have any games or support. I can think of 4 games on the top of my head that was gangbusters on the n64. I don't see the same happening to the U. Smash, zelda, mario, mario kart, wii sports and franchises all gonna do well.
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Is this a serious post?

N64 and GCN had Zelda, Mario, Mario Kart and Smash Brothers. Why do you think those same franchises will sell better on the WiiU?
 
spannicus said:
alot of speculation for zero install base and what will be hefty price tag to boot. im curious to know how many here can actually afford one at launch.
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I will say we don't know anything about the PS4 price either. So many people predicted 400 dollars for Vita when it was first announced and called people predicting 249 crazy (not that the price helped Vita in the end anyway). The lack of backwards compatibility is going to hurt Sony at launch if Microsoft has it so they better have Gakai stuff ready to go,
 
Nerfgun said:
Yes, because of lighting, I can see the bump map on the ground better in the Wii U shot; the background buildings also look worse. Conclusion: none. It's a bad comparison, you can't derive shit from this.
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theres tons of screens of both versions on the net and in the wii u version thread. if you need glasses make an appointment if you are in denial come to grips with the reality that it really whoops the other versions asses.
 
JaxJag said:
Watching the Sony press conference today I was thinking about the Wii U...

There's been a lot of speculation whether the Wii U using not exactly next-gen tech would hurt Nintendo with game support and with consumers in the long run. But to be honest, after seeing the conference, i'm not so sure anymore.

To the average joe, do these games really look that much better? Is the average consumer really going to want to upload his videos to the web and share them with all his friends?... I almost feel the Wii U has become a more attractive system after the press conference, especially if Nintendo is able to drop the price of the U by the launch of the next-gen consoles.
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Put it this way, now capcom can't save their match replay saving for handheld only. Everyone will be able to save replays and study the opponent that waxed the floor with them. Heck you sometimes need replays to see what happened. It'll be for more than uploading to youtube, you will study stuff to sharpen your knowledge for that game.
 
megabytecr said:
It is not worth. Some people have a mindset to the Wii U already and I accept that sales for this month are terrible. But

1.It has no marketing, Nintendo is waiting on healthier library of core and casual games. Marketing Relaunch.
2.It needs games, they will come.
3.People do not know the Wii U exists or thinks it is a wii addon (back to point #1)
4.Price (although now it is affecting) by when PS4 and Xbox launch Nintendo will have an advantage there. I even bet PS360 will compete with their next gen counterparts. This could become an issue as people don't see the need to upgrade yet.
5.Longer transition for new generation benefits Wii U if the sales are at least modest.
6.Best local mp and party console
7.Best Kid console while cattering to adults also. I bought it and I love it as well as my kids 6 and 8 year olds.
8. Art will make graphics in Nintendo games and first party games look awesome. This is a supposition but it makes sense, but we will see.
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I like everything this gentleman said. He's right.

Too many people here are focusing on technical specifications and hardware power when the truth is that WiiU can, does, and will deliver sensational-looking games. For example, I just watched a trailer for a game called Puddle and it was amazing. Gorgeous varied playfields, vibrant colors, dreamy depth of field. I watched the whole darned trailer because I couldn't take my eyes off it.

http://www.nintendo.com/games/detail/8m-zRaF9JsHcOy1HqDp4FtLyL0DjEZkV

And you know what? Puddle is one of those easy-to-pick-up-and-play games that's right in Nintendo's wheelhouse. WiiU will find its audience, but I think Nintendo is happy to build its momentum and game library up to a respectable crescendo this fall. The other systems are still a ways off, they will be more expensive, and they will attract a different kind of person.
 
A lot of spin in this thread. Things look worse. PS4 has a ton of third party support that we all know Sony will be sure to maintain. Nintendo seems to continue to not give a shit like they always have.
 
I like how people can at the same time go at lengths to point out the visual differences between Wii U and PS360 games; while concurrently dismissing that the disparity between the Wii U and PS4720 will be remotely noticeable.

Vane_MagicCity said:
Is this a serious post?

N64 and GCN had Zelda, Mario, Mario Kart and Smash Brothers. Why do you think those same franchises will sell better on the WiiU?
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There's an argument to be had that the success of the Wii has improved mindshare for these franchises beyond where it was in the GCN era. I think there's some validity to it, but I also think that their success in the absence of a Wii Sports like phenomenon is in no way guaranteed.
 
Worse. I fear for the quality of ports to the Wii U. I image they will have to be look the wii call of duty version where they are practically a different game.
 
metalslimer said:
I will say we don't know anything about the PS4 price either. So many people predicted 400 dollars for Vita when it was first announced and called people predicting 249 crazy (not that the price helped Vita in the end anyway). The lack of backwards compatibility is going to hurt Sony at launch if Microsoft has it so they better have Gakai stuff ready to go,
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I paid 300 for my vita with the added 3g functionality. The 50 buck jump in price for 3g was lame you think with the additions that the ps4 will have it will be less than 400?
 
Derrick01 said:
It's the same as ps3/360. For the first year or so you're going to see a lot of cross gen titles, and then after that you can kiss 95% of support goodbye.
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Well I think this transition is going to last more, and devs need all the money they can get, it is not good times for the industry you know.
 
spannicus said:
I paid 300 for my vita with the added 3g functionality. The 50 buck jump in price for 3g was lame you think with the additions that the ps4 will have it will be less than 400?
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I think Sony will lose money to have a 399 SKU yes. Sony is ridiculously stupid sometimes but they seem to have smartened up enough in terms of pricing not to make a 500+ dollar console.
 
spannicus said:
alot of speculation for zero install base and what will be hefty price tag to boot. im curious to know how many here can actually afford one at launch.
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if you have a job like I, you can afford it. I could get it but waiting for MS response cuz my 360 is my primary console
 
Second said:
Not comparable.

Sony has great support with the Ps3. And this will continue with the Ps4.
All of Sony's consoles had great support.

Unlike their handhelds.

With Nintendo it's the other way around...
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The PSP had extremely good third party support even with the terrible software sales it had. Particularly western third parties.

Revisionist history much?
 
Second said:
Not comparable.

Sony has great support with the Ps3. And this will continue with the Ps4.
All of Sony's consoles had great support.

Unlike their handhelds.

With Nintendo it's the other way around...
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I don't see this as a truism, Nintendo had fantastic support with the SNES and the NES and that didn't carry over at all to the N64. I don't think Sony getting support is a true given, though I think it's infinitely more likely than Nintendo getting that support.
 
So....Where are we ?

Have Nintendo zealots started to roll back to the "graphics don't matter" argument or something ? I lost count how many times they have done a flip-flop.
 
MrNyarlathotep said:
The PSP had extremely good third party support even with the terrible software sales it had. Particularly western third parties.

Revisionist history much?
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Sorry, but where do you think third parties will go after having supported Sony's consoles for the last 20 years almost?

The Wii U?

Looking grim there.
 
Snowden's Secret said:
Of course it's in a better position? Sony showed literally nothing that would compete with what Nintendo is doing, and the confirmation of 8GB of RAM guarantees that they don't compete in price either. Nintendo couldn't have asked for a more favorable PS4 unveil.

Microsoft could still prove disruptive (a PS4-powered console offered on contract or something), but PS4, according to all currently known information that is obviously subject to change, is no more a threat to Wii U than Vita to 3DS. Conversely, Wii U poses no threat to PS4, and Sony should not be any more concerned about it than Nintendo the PS4.

Wii U's biggest threat is itself, not whatever Sony is doing.
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So your argument is that they're not competing products?

Welp, ok. Believe what you want, I guess.
 
Eideka said:
So....Where are we ?

Have Nintendo zealots started to roll back to the "graphics don't matter" argument or something ? I lost count how many times they have done a flip-flop.
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Seems to have started now, but will be in full force once the nextbox is revealed (probably in april) and e3 comes along with tons of games on the ps4/nextbox looking like true next-gen games.
 
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Sorry, but where do you think third parties will go after having supported Sony's consoles for the last 20 years almost?

The Wii U?

Looking grim there.
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Where they can make money, like they always have done.

Why are you countering a correction of your incorrect statement with an entirely unrelated question?
 
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