yeah. kind-of i do... i want to see some clever stuff with the pad. i'm also generally interested in interface innovation, so wouldn't like to see this aspect of console design fall into too-conservative a trend.
The Wii U in a worse or better shape after the PS4 reveal?
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yeah. kind-of i do... i want to see some clever stuff with the pad. i'm also generally interested in interface innovation, so wouldn't like to see this aspect of console design fall into too-conservative a trend.
Dark Octave
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And it'll only get worse. Devs and artists want to work on exciting new tech. They don't want the same old limitations that they have been working with for the past seven years.
The Wii was the leading platform as far as sales and still got little love from devs. The WiiU isn't going to do close to those numbers, so how does anyone expect devs to do for the WiiU what they had no interest doing for the best selling console of this current gen?
FTL was my GotY 2012 and it was a single-player affair with a simple and charming aesthetic.
I'm not too worried about the WiiU because I know that great experiences can be had there, much as I wasn't worried about the Wii getting killed by the PS3 because of the power differences (I actually own more Wii titles than PS3 titles, and only marginally less than PS360 combined).
I'm not too worried about the WiiU because I know that great experiences can be had there, much as I wasn't worried about the Wii getting killed by the PS3 because of the power differences (I actually own more Wii titles than PS3 titles, and only marginally less than PS360 combined).
megabytecr
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Sony conference was great in the hardware! I cannot lie games look amazing.
The social aspect is cool but I could not care enough, even Miiverse I think is cool but my time is taken playing games and I don't have time for nothing else.
The games did not capture my attention, only the graphics.
Thing is I can live with the Wii U's graphics better this gen, than with the Wii together with PS360. Also watching the graphics and taking into account complexity in games will go up, it is going to be interesting the software support on the first 2 years of PS4 and the costs will bring more studios to close. By then Wii U will have reach mass market price and games games games. So I think Wii U will be ok, just get the games out Nintendo!!
I have PS3, Wii and Wii U. Because of the conference I was thinking on my companion for the Wii U. I reflected on what exclusives I played on the PS3 and only the Uncharted games (have all) and GoW3 blew me away. I played KZ2, Resistance and infamous and neither of those pull my interest for next gen. Given this I am on the fence between getting PS4 or a Nice PC or even wait for steam box. Hell I am going to even consider MS if what they show pulls my interest. Right now I am more inclined for a PC based on the games I have for PS3 (Bioshock, Batman AA, BF BC2, Ratchet ACiT, CoD MW2, CoD BOps, NBA2K13, Fifa 13, Dead Space 2, Mass Effect 2, Crysis, Infamous, Uncharte Series)
The social aspect is cool but I could not care enough, even Miiverse I think is cool but my time is taken playing games and I don't have time for nothing else.
The games did not capture my attention, only the graphics.
Thing is I can live with the Wii U's graphics better this gen, than with the Wii together with PS360. Also watching the graphics and taking into account complexity in games will go up, it is going to be interesting the software support on the first 2 years of PS4 and the costs will bring more studios to close. By then Wii U will have reach mass market price and games games games. So I think Wii U will be ok, just get the games out Nintendo!!
I have PS3, Wii and Wii U. Because of the conference I was thinking on my companion for the Wii U. I reflected on what exclusives I played on the PS3 and only the Uncharted games (have all) and GoW3 blew me away. I played KZ2, Resistance and infamous and neither of those pull my interest for next gen. Given this I am on the fence between getting PS4 or a Nice PC or even wait for steam box. Hell I am going to even consider MS if what they show pulls my interest. Right now I am more inclined for a PC based on the games I have for PS3 (Bioshock, Batman AA, BF BC2, Ratchet ACiT, CoD MW2, CoD BOps, NBA2K13, Fifa 13, Dead Space 2, Mass Effect 2, Crysis, Infamous, Uncharte Series)
Third parties were all on board with the Wii U at one point. Things change
tkscz
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Not that. Automatically assuming the WiiU would sale like that. We don't know how the WiiU or other consoles will do in the end. Hell, if we're going off of what the sales are now, the 3DS was in the same spot, then games happened. I choose to never predict what can happen. You could be right, but to make those claims just comes off as annoying.
Barack Lesnar
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We haven't seen anything other than minor, ancillary gimmicks and implementation of the Gamepad so far. The best thing about it is the remote play, that seems to be the general consensus and isn't a positive thing because the best thing should be what it brings to the table on a gameplay front.
Nothing wrong with making predictions. /shrug
We will know for sure when the next xbox gets announced.... if it is as close hardware wise to the ps4 as the rumors have indicated I think you will see the last gen repeat itself where xbox/ps4 get the prime development and wiiU gets pushed aside but even more so this time because they will not have double the install base of ps3/360 that brought some 3rd party devs over for the wii.
I thought it may be notably worse off when they were talking about the Vita crossplay stuff but it's hard to say. I'm nervous for Nintendo though mostly due to the graphics. It's going to only get more pronounced and they don't have the Wii Sports this gen to get over that hump and bring in casual consumers (at least not yet). The other big miss will remain the name. I think it's not too late to offer a mea culpa and rebrand the thing as Wii 2 or something. They have to get the message out that it's an entirely new system. Sony was wise to not mess with conventional wisdom.
I have a feeling this will end up being a GameCube-esque era for them in terms of sales.. unfortunately I don't see them profiting heavily off the machine though like they did with the Cube. The tech has to be quite expensive.
I have a feeling this will end up being a GameCube-esque era for them in terms of sales.. unfortunately I don't see them profiting heavily off the machine though like they did with the Cube. The tech has to be quite expensive.
I guess if you always claim you're right then you can never be wrong. Smart strategy!
The general consensus last night is that they had a relatively impressive showing. The only people who were disappointed were people who had ridiculously unrealistic expectations and they also voiced that disappointment. They're not spinning some elaborate tale to make the wii u look bad. The wii u looks bad because of its own reasons, reasons that Nintendo themselves caused. People who are happy with last night are genuinely happy, and there is a lot to be happy about going forward into the next generation.
Shao Kahn Brewing a Stew
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Relevant in the sense that PS4's remote play feature, if successful, will encourage devs to port games over to each console.
Irrelevant in the sense that developers are aiming to transition to next-gen exclusively by 2015. If WiiU sales don't pick up or if the devs are addicted to more power then we will see very few games on WiiU, with Nintendo forced to releasing a successor within in the next 4 years.
Irrelevant in the sense that developers are aiming to transition to next-gen exclusively by 2015. If WiiU sales don't pick up or if the devs are addicted to more power then we will see very few games on WiiU, with Nintendo forced to releasing a successor within in the next 4 years.
Haunted
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If you're looking for third party games, a "main" platform to get the widest breadths of experiences on, the PC or PS4 or Durango will cover that.
If you're looking for a secondary system to complement your main system where you get all the third party and multiplat stuff on, the WiiU is one of, if not the most attractive option for that.
Nintendo is obviously trying to convince everyone that their third party relations are fine, unprecedented partnerships here, endorsements there, lip service everywhere, bla bla. We know better than that. They have been and will continue to be shunned by third parties.
It's exactly what Wii U had. The difference is we know 3rd parties have to embrace PS4 to get any return on next-gen games which is clearly where they are trying to go, they can't afford to be choosy. In fact they still have to embrace 360/PS3 simply because the next-gen userbase will be too small to warrant the budgets for quite some time which is why Watch_Dogs and Destiny aren't totally next-gen.
metalslimer
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3rd parties showed off their new engines on Wii U? The fact that UE4, whatever the fuck that Capcom engine is called, and Luminous were all shown running on PS4 and the best Nintendo could get was people talking in a video tells us what we need to know about 3rd party focus.
Mikey Jr.
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I don't think this announcement helped the WiiU at all. If anything, they now have the PS4 dominating the video game news, which is bad because they NEED people to know about the WiiU. I mean, it sold terribly last January.
But I don't think it hurt the WiiU too much either. I doubt people who bought the WiiU are jumping ship. So I think they are in a pretty neutral position, all things considered.
But I don't think it hurt the WiiU too much either. I doubt people who bought the WiiU are jumping ship. So I think they are in a pretty neutral position, all things considered.
What's up with people bringing up remote play for the PS4. It's dead in the water and only there to tick off the feature list. Nobody owns a Vita, it will still have worse latency, the games won't be designed for vita play and you'll need to fire up two computers for it to work. Surely it's something nobody outside of GAF would want.
It´s not a matter of liking one better than the other, fact is Killzone is one of hundreds FPSs and not even a very popular one.
GremlinFool
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Can't you do it with any tablet?
Steve Youngblood
Member
If they can get it working well, I don't think it's necessarily a system seller, but it's a cool feature. At the very least, it has the advantage of it being an optional cost, as opposed to the GamePad driving up the cost of the Wii U whether you're interested in off-TV play or not.
The best thing revealed about PS4 so far is that it has great support. It will get a lot of good games from 3rd parties.
Everything else about the system reveal was predictable, which is why it might've underwhelmed some people.
If PS4 has a weakness, it's that it's basically a PS3 with better graphics. Maybe the mass market won't see the value in upgrading.
But since it looks like getting great 3rd party support, it's actually gonna do great.
That 3rd party support is what really differentiates it from the Wii U.
So Wii U is slightly worse off than before the reveal... but for everyone who'd read all the leaks and predicted what was gonna happen last night, it's about the same.
Yeah. they talked about new gameplay possibilities but didn't really demonstrate anything to that effect, in contrast to Wii U which does.
Everything else about the system reveal was predictable, which is why it might've underwhelmed some people.
If PS4 has a weakness, it's that it's basically a PS3 with better graphics. Maybe the mass market won't see the value in upgrading.
But since it looks like getting great 3rd party support, it's actually gonna do great.
That 3rd party support is what really differentiates it from the Wii U.
So Wii U is slightly worse off than before the reveal... but for everyone who'd read all the leaks and predicted what was gonna happen last night, it's about the same.
Yeah. they talked about new gameplay possibilities but didn't really demonstrate anything to that effect, in contrast to Wii U which does.
TAS
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I loved Sony's presentation yesterday and it cemented my Day 1 purchase of PS4--but at the same time it vindicated the Wii U for me. I'm actually shocked that Sony didn't copy the Gamepad idea. I believe assymetrical gameplay is going to be huge and a real differentiating factor this generation. Not just shiny new graphics but new gameplay dynamics altogether. That's what this industry needs now more than ever. I think that by the end of this year, Nintendo and partners will have software that really demonstrates this and Wii U will start sailing.
Acheteedo
Member
The WiiU seems to be in trouble to me because of the huge attention and hype that this Playstation meeting received. It may not be the case that the market is in general decline, but rather that the WiiU itself is not appealing enough as a product. There's a huge appetite for next gen machines and the WiiU didn't cut it. I'll eat crow if I'm wrong, but I expect the PS4 to be sold out for a while after launch.
Steve Youngblood
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Then it won't sell, and it'll be a non-issue. I'm having a difficult time following your point. All I'm saying is that it's odd to assert that Killzone looks stale and is just another FPS game and therefore it's boring because it's retreading the same old territory in one breath, and then in the other be looking forward to Nintendo's lineup as something fresh. I'm honestly not sure what's controversial about this observation. Your only stake in this seems to be to knock Killzone down a peg, which seems inconsequential to the conversation.
I've never played a Killzone game and am somewhat tired of FPS games as well, but that doesn't make Nintendo's lineup of desired titles a shining beacon of original ideas.
obviously, they haven't really proven the thing yet, unless you're highly enthusiastic about couchside asymmetrical play. it's certainly a bit damning that the most high-profile longform game that uses the pad specifically exploits the fact that it *distracts* you from the tv.
still... there are some obvious things that would work far better on wiiu than on ps4: text-based-communication (via touch keyboard), touch-enabled tactical maps, ridiculously overwrought interface stuff (mech games?). penny arcade's action rpg d&d idea would be riotously fun too ("dm" on pad). nothing really compelling like this exists yet as far as i know.
i'm always going to have a good gaming pc with an available console controller.
Vidya4chan
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Way better, the ps4 was a let down when it comes to actual exclusives and the wii u has gotten these exclusives announced:
(not including wii fit u for the soccer moms/pokemon rumble u)
(not including wii fit u for the soccer moms/pokemon rumble u)
It sold like hotcakes because of the hardware (low price) and the novelty factor.
Davey Cakes
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With GAMES will come success, even if the beastly PS4 steals some of the thunder.
The tough part is having enough first party games to satisfy audiences and locking down third party exclusives that differentiate the platform.
The tough part is having enough first party games to satisfy audiences and locking down third party exclusives that differentiate the platform.
I think you just reiterated what I said.
Actual exclusives will be announced at E3, this event was to give an overview of the device. Many of those Wii U exclusives probably won't be out by the time PS4 is released.Way better, the ps4 was a let down when it comes to actual exclusives and the wii u has gotten these exclusives announced:
(not including wii fit u for the soccer moms/pokemon rumble u)
Twilight Princess
Member
no physical buttons tho. i'm interested in this remote play feature (with tablets) if there's a satisfactory solution to high latency and lack of buttons.
but i do agree that the remote play feature is largely useless, the entry cost is simply too high. unless the psv is suddenly going to become wildly popular, i don't see the "mainstream" gaming population take advantage of it.
mugurumakensei
Member
Wii U will sink or swim based on its own merits and how Nintendo capitalizes on its strengths. To that end, the conference has no impact on the Wii U.
I'm still happy with my PC at the moment.
Though once the Wii U gets an on Rails Star Fox or F-Zero, I'll be buying it.
With PS4, once GT6 comes out, I'll be buying that too...
Though all multi platform games I'll still be getting on the PC.
Not sure if I even answered the question... :|
Though once the Wii U gets an on Rails Star Fox or F-Zero, I'll be buying it.
With PS4, once GT6 comes out, I'll be buying that too...
Though all multi platform games I'll still be getting on the PC.
Not sure if I even answered the question... :|
some of them will be out by then. Ninty needs some big titles this holiday
FieryBalrog
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Clearly, they were so super compelling that no one bought them, no one played them online and people mostly just collectively yawned at the Wii U launch.
invaderzim69
Member
I still like Wii U chances in this gen even more. They will bring the unique games that will dictate on what the Wii U is all about. As long as the games are there, Nintendo will be fine. Sure PS 4 will have power and the games will look prettier, but Nintendo knows how to make their games special.
Apophis2036
Banned
I agree, I would consider myself quite into graphics but even I wasn't blown away like I thought I would be with Killzone 4. It basically looked like a current gen game with lots of DX11 effects thrown on (depth of field, improved lighting, fire, explosions ect). No where near the leap from Killzone to Killzone 2.
The bit where the ship was flying through the city was a glorified cut scene.
Also how many casuals are going to buy a $400 PS4 / 720 when they can get MW4, Fifa'14, Madden'14, BF4, Watch_Dogs, Destiny ect for the PS3 / 360 they already own, not many beyond a few million I'm betting.
Get ready for a lot of 'BOMBA' hardware threads early next year...
I should add that I plan on buying PS4 at launch but last night didn't convince me that many beyond the hardcore guys will bother.
WiiU will be in a good position early next year if they price cut the console to $300 and have Bayonetta 2, Wind Waker HD, 3D Mario and Mario Kart out for Xmas.
BattleMonkey
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nintendo fans and those wanting those same old nintendo franchises will still buy the WiiU, but it obviously is not going to be the fad must have console that the Wii became amongst non gamers. Heck my 60+ year old parents bought a Wii because they found Wii bowling fun.
I don't think the core gamer audience was ever going to fully embrace the WiiU, the WiiU needed to target and get back those that made the original Wii successful. So doubt the PS4 is going to have much impact. WiiU sales will pick up when it gets its major mario games.
I don't think the core gamer audience was ever going to fully embrace the WiiU, the WiiU needed to target and get back those that made the original Wii successful. So doubt the PS4 is going to have much impact. WiiU sales will pick up when it gets its major mario games.
Cbajd5
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Better.
The one thing Nintendo has going with the Wii U is that the Wii won't be getting the same games as it. (Or anymore, really.) Most people aren't going to rush out and buy a PS4 for the first party games, and they're not going to buy it to play third party games they can play on their PS3. People in the second group will instead be asking Sony why they don't have those first party games on the PS3 too, since the third party games are on both.
Nintendo's not in a better position to get people to buy a Wii U to play the games they can play on the PS3/360, but their first party properties are undeniably stronger. (Although there'll still be the uninformed people asking why a first party Wii U game isn't on the PS3/4 and 360/720.)
This is outside of people possibly comparing the controllers, where the DS4 is like a DS3 with move and a touchpad while the Wii U's has an actual touch screen. That'll probably lead to comparing the Gamepad with tablets they own and the Vita, and they both have a share of problems when compared to the Gamepad as well. (Tablets = No Buttons, Vita = Price)
The bottom line is that most people don't care about specs, they care about new features/games and how much they'll be paying. And while the video recording/editing/streaming stuff is neat it's not something that most people will really be interested in or able to use.
The one thing Nintendo has going with the Wii U is that the Wii won't be getting the same games as it. (Or anymore, really.) Most people aren't going to rush out and buy a PS4 for the first party games, and they're not going to buy it to play third party games they can play on their PS3. People in the second group will instead be asking Sony why they don't have those first party games on the PS3 too, since the third party games are on both.
Nintendo's not in a better position to get people to buy a Wii U to play the games they can play on the PS3/360, but their first party properties are undeniably stronger. (Although there'll still be the uninformed people asking why a first party Wii U game isn't on the PS3/4 and 360/720.)
This is outside of people possibly comparing the controllers, where the DS4 is like a DS3 with move and a touchpad while the Wii U's has an actual touch screen. That'll probably lead to comparing the Gamepad with tablets they own and the Vita, and they both have a share of problems when compared to the Gamepad as well. (Tablets = No Buttons, Vita = Price)
The bottom line is that most people don't care about specs, they care about new features/games and how much they'll be paying. And while the video recording/editing/streaming stuff is neat it's not something that most people will really be interested in or able to use.
megamerican
Member
I think the Wii U is fucked big time. It carries forward most of the problems devs had with the Wii, it's just this time there isn't the massive install base to compensate for that issue.
The thing is already perceived as a flop. And at a certain point that perception becomes a self fulfilling prophecy.
If PS4 had been less aggressive spec-wise it would have opened the door for at least the potential of down ports. Just don't see that happening now that there is gonna be a massive gap.
The thing is already perceived as a flop. And at a certain point that perception becomes a self fulfilling prophecy.
If PS4 had been less aggressive spec-wise it would have opened the door for at least the potential of down ports. Just don't see that happening now that there is gonna be a massive gap.
It's focused on 3DS.
Remember at Wii U's first E3 people said..."the 3rd party games are coming, you just need to wait till next E3", at its second E3..."they are coming, wait till pre launch event", still no games. Now it's..."we might see them at ND".
Time to give up on the dream, Nintendo is on its own.
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