The Wii U in a worse or better shape after the PS4 reveal?
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Wait what?
TwEE-N-Toast
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CorporateClown
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Hopefully it makes them feel better than the horrible Wii U sales :_;
Correct, no one is buying the Wii U, therefore it doesn't have a massive installbase.
That's a good question about COD2, I would like an answer to that too.
More people bought it in the first three months than those who bought the 360 or PS3 in their first three months.
Beer Monkey
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The 360 was supply constrained.
Wii U was all over the stores in January and people didn't buy it.
That's because not much games released in January.
If the console gets the games, the console will sell. That goes for all systems.
What does that have to do with his point?
JoshuaJSlone
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Seriously. Based on what we've heard of the machines so far, I'd say Wii U is in the last-gen position of an imaginary system that's two Wiis duct-taped together and released in mid-2005.
Nah, it was the big game at X360 launch, the NSMBU position for what it was worth.Magic Ovaries said:
Exactly, there's always mitigating circumstances
360 was supply constrained
Wii U is released in economic turmoil and the third month is a month where there were NO new games whatsoever. Shockingly, new games sell consoles. Who knew?
Doesn't mean the Wii U hasn't out sold those systems in the same time frame. You say the 360 was supply constrained. Well the world economy is still crap for a LOT of people and only in the last year has it started to recover and recover slowly. Meaning people have less money to buy what they really want. It says more that the Wii U sold as much as it has in a far worse economy.
The biggest issue with the Wii U is games. That situation hasn't changed at all in regard to the PS4. It can only be fixed by Nintendo providing games, games only they can provide that will never appear anywhere else. That's first party games from established franchisees and new IPs from Nintendo or from partnerships with other companies.
You are pretty much in denial. WiiU sold more, deal with it.
What's going on now reminds me of how i bought King Kong and Tomb Raider on Xbox 360 back around the launch, both of which were SLIGHTLY prettier versions of their xbox counterparts. Eventually developers will put this generation behind and focus on PS4/PC/Nextbox.
Wii U is probably in the same shape though, but i'm no longer planning on buying it this year in favor of getting a PS4. Wii U will probably mimic the Wii with 3 or 4 games i want to play a year whereas ps4/nextbox gets the majority of third party projects.
Steve Youngblood
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Will this hold after four months?
TAS
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Dreams-Visions
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Neither better nor worse. This is what we knew the PS4 would do. Nothing has changed.
Doubt it due to the lack of new games in Jan & Feb
Majmun
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Is the WiU version released?
In a couple of weeks
walking fiend
Member
Definitely better.
PS4 is going to have like 3 exclusives at launch, which combined will not sell even as much as Pikmin 3.
PS4 is going to have like 3 exclusives at launch, which combined will not sell even as much as Pikmin 3.
AndrewDean84xX
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The Wii U is in the same place. Nintedno platforms are in a league of their own.
CoffeeJanitor
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Handhelds =! Consoles
This thing is future proof. It will get a ton of support. Look at what happened to the Wii.
I love Nintendo. I really do. They bring a unique approach to games and a style that no one has ever been able to duplicate. If they were to disappear from the hardware scene it would be a sad day for gaming.
It's not Nintendo that annoys me but there often immature and insecure fanboys that seem to operate in some fantasy bubble that refuses to see Nintendo's real problems and challenges.
They are at a technological disadvantage compared to the other two. And this gap will only magnify going forward. They are struggling to garner support both from consumers and developers. Both of which will compound both problems. Less developers mean less avenues to gain interest. Less consumers means less rationale for developers to port or develop for the console without subsidization. The control scheme has not captured the same casual crowd fervor the wiimote did and recent sales speak to this. Their online infastructure is weak. Marred with problems.
One thing is sure though, they will maintain their loyal fanbase. The question will become can wiiU survive on that fanbase, propped up by mostly their own developed games with a few 2nd and 3rd party games throw in? Especially with the rise in development costs associated with going from essentially two generation old hardware to HD hardware? Can they maintain enough output and frequency that gamers won't get frustrated?
I love Nintendo, want to see them around for generations to come but to ignore that they aren't in a rough position right now is the height of nativity.
It's not Nintendo that annoys me but there often immature and insecure fanboys that seem to operate in some fantasy bubble that refuses to see Nintendo's real problems and challenges.
They are at a technological disadvantage compared to the other two. And this gap will only magnify going forward. They are struggling to garner support both from consumers and developers. Both of which will compound both problems. Less developers mean less avenues to gain interest. Less consumers means less rationale for developers to port or develop for the console without subsidization. The control scheme has not captured the same casual crowd fervor the wiimote did and recent sales speak to this. Their online infastructure is weak. Marred with problems.
One thing is sure though, they will maintain their loyal fanbase. The question will become can wiiU survive on that fanbase, propped up by mostly their own developed games with a few 2nd and 3rd party games throw in? Especially with the rise in development costs associated with going from essentially two generation old hardware to HD hardware? Can they maintain enough output and frequency that gamers won't get frustrated?
I love Nintendo, want to see them around for generations to come but to ignore that they aren't in a rough position right now is the height of nativity.
Gianni Merryman
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Umm...
Edit: Goggle image search told me this was Testament of Sherlock Holmes, of course I know Need for speed but I didn't realise where this screenshot was from.
Escape Goat
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Worse. Its got no new news of its own and now its got the hype or PS4 to contend with.
It's just a screen shot of Need for Speed Most Wanted U (on the Wii U). It's a little arcade-like but still really fun imo.
Jaded Alyx
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You leave baby Jesus out of this!
Gianni Merryman
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Ah, so it's Need for speed then, of course I know the IP...I searched with Goggle and it said it was some Testament of Sherlock Holmes game, whcih I never heard of before, evidently new Google's image search feature is not that reliable.
Hang on now. Vita was in the 55k club first!
I'd say the same. Yeah, PS4 is ahead of the Wii U in terms of graphics, and arguably, it won't be getting too many ports. But the Wii faced the exact same situation, so that's not really the issue here.
Nintendo's issues with the Wii U are so intrinsically tied to Nintendo's side of the fence that any announcement by Sony or Microsoft really wouldn't matter right now; the issue currently is that Nintendo is struggling to even satisfy its own core base.
Nintendo's issues with the Wii U are so intrinsically tied to Nintendo's side of the fence that any announcement by Sony or Microsoft really wouldn't matter right now; the issue currently is that Nintendo is struggling to even satisfy its own core base.
Problem is the wiiu isnt cheap and nintendo is still losing money on it
Gianni Merryman
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If Wi U isn't cheap, then I bet PS4 is going to cost much more than that, besides by next year Wii U's producing costs should be lower.
Imo the WiiU is in a better shape, because of the gamepad which can make certain multiplats (Sport games, tactical shooters, RTS) the definitive versions besides "bad" visuals and off TV play. Also I'm confident the WiiU will be the best console for local multiplayer (still the superior multiplayer and wil always be) thanks to 5 player split screen multi and asymmetrical gameplay. Also whole new genres could be invented like the obviuos Battalion Wars as an Real time strategy third person shooter (this has to happen).
The gamepad is a huge advantage imo, which could outweigh some of the disadvantages if done right and I'm sure that 95% of the people downplaying the possibilities that come with the gamepad don't own a WiiU. The problem with the concept is, it is hard to market, because people need to experience it, it is hard to "get" when only seen in a 30 second commercial.
All the things stated above can also be done on the PS4 using the Vita, but the advantage of the WiiU is that the PS4 doesn't come with a gamepad clone out of the box. Also while the yesterday shown visuals are really amazing, imo the leap can be compensated to a large extend on the WiiU by a great artstyle, but of course with a lower resolution and framerate and a worse IQ (so I'm nowhere saying the WiiU will produce PS4 like visuals). Also downports to the WiiU should be possible with some effort, and if the gamepad is integrated well (I'm watching at you Watch_Dogs) the sales shouldn't be too bad thanks to Miiverse and if the WiiU version also is advertised besides the PS4/720/PC versions.
In conclusion, Sony didn't copy the tablet controller out of the box and the visual leap is big on a technical level, but it is not so big that there can't be WiiU games that are able to compete with the average PS4/720 game to a certain extend, so the WiiU looks better than before, imo
The gamepad is a huge advantage imo, which could outweigh some of the disadvantages if done right and I'm sure that 95% of the people downplaying the possibilities that come with the gamepad don't own a WiiU. The problem with the concept is, it is hard to market, because people need to experience it, it is hard to "get" when only seen in a 30 second commercial.
All the things stated above can also be done on the PS4 using the Vita, but the advantage of the WiiU is that the PS4 doesn't come with a gamepad clone out of the box. Also while the yesterday shown visuals are really amazing, imo the leap can be compensated to a large extend on the WiiU by a great artstyle, but of course with a lower resolution and framerate and a worse IQ (so I'm nowhere saying the WiiU will produce PS4 like visuals). Also downports to the WiiU should be possible with some effort, and if the gamepad is integrated well (I'm watching at you Watch_Dogs) the sales shouldn't be too bad thanks to Miiverse and if the WiiU version also is advertised besides the PS4/720/PC versions.
In conclusion, Sony didn't copy the tablet controller out of the box and the visual leap is big on a technical level, but it is not so big that there can't be WiiU games that are able to compete with the average PS4/720 game to a certain extend, so the WiiU looks better than before, imo
Barack Lesnar
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I kind of feel the same way about the bolded. I've got little issue with Nintendo the company.
Better.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not delusional. The current third party situation is CLEARLY going to have their lead teams supporting PS4 over WiiU for a whlle, and the current sales aren't good... at all.
But it's only a few months in. We KNOW games are coming, and we know there are games that exist that we just haven't seen yet but that we know that we want. Those games being of high quality will sell that system, and to be perfectly honest, if I walk into a store this November and see a new 3D Mario game vs Killzone 4? I'm gonna get Mario.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not delusional. The current third party situation is CLEARLY going to have their lead teams supporting PS4 over WiiU for a whlle, and the current sales aren't good... at all.
But it's only a few months in. We KNOW games are coming, and we know there are games that exist that we just haven't seen yet but that we know that we want. Those games being of high quality will sell that system, and to be perfectly honest, if I walk into a store this November and see a new 3D Mario game vs Killzone 4? I'm gonna get Mario.
Every console from Nintendo has done this since the 64.
If it wasn't for sony first party games or the xbox 360 first party games both consoles would be no different.
I'm not so sure about that. I mean, isn't the Vita suppose to be able to play all PS4 games? How would that work but the Wii U wouldn't be able to?
CosmicQueso
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Call of Duty 2 had a 76% attach rate to 360s sold over the first three months.
What's your point?
What developer is going to really take the chance on a RTS game built around the wiiU when sales right now are dropping, third party sales are pretty abysmal with a track record of Nintendo consumers not really embracing third party software on Nintendo platforms?
Honestly what financial motivation do third parties have to embrace te wiiU with such effort at all? The gamepad may be the greatest thing since sliced bread(I don't think it is). But what realistic reason should developers target gameplay and design around the wiiU as the definitive version?
I think what you are engaging in is extreme optimism and not even considering the arguments against your theories.
airmangataosenai
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I have a feeling that this game is going to be the "Proof" people use of the system's performance for a long, long time to come. A 5 month late "Enhanced" version.
lunchwithyuzo
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Well, at least Wii U got Watch Dogs out of it. Not much room to go but up for 3rd party stuff.
Doesn't seem any worse than using outsourced launch-rushed ports to "prove" the opposite.