ADANIEL1960
Neo Member
Must admit not sure, but as at August 2011 - when they dropped price, John Koller is quoted as saying PS3 was still profitable at the reduced price
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Must admit not sure, but as at August 2011 - when they dropped price, John Koller is quoted as saying PS3 was still profitable at the reduced price
If it has any.
TheExplodingHead
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I'd like to see a updated WW just to get rid of the crappy vertical line dithering problem (also in TP and SS). But I agree, I'd also like to see a HD MM that preserves the original style and mood and just cleans the UI up and adds a few touches, also multiple control options would be nice.
DXB-KNIGHT
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Real time Mask Swapping.
GameplayWhore
Member
Ah, thank you. I notice that immediately following June 2010 were a two quarter period that was Sony's most profitable of this generation. Did they drop price after that? They reverted to strong losses afterward. Could just be Vita related costs and heavy R&D.
It could be the PS2 of its generation!
Assuming you're talking about scaling, some TVs can suck at it and introduce lag or just make it uglier than it could be. By scaling internally you don't have to deal with the TV variable (...as much, there's still other crap TVs do that screw things up like motion smoothing).
I played Lost Planet on my computer at like 800x480 with most settings turned down, I was Wii only up until Trials HD came out, I can stand crappy image quality all day.
Eteric Rice
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SolidSnakex
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I think that Nintendo will stick with a similar style to what was shown in that tech demo for Zelda. So voice acting is going to be the biggest decision that they'll have to make for that game. Nearly every game nowadays has voice acting, and that's especially true for big adventure games like Zelda. Either way they're going to receive criticism for their decision.
Then you will be prepared unnecessarily. With the EDRAM Nintendo are putting in there, I would expect to see decent AA as pretty standard.
Only pixel peepers are going to notice a difference between something like FSAA and supersampling. So long as when I'm sitting still and there's no motion going on my eyes don't bleed like they do on the Wii, I'll be happy. It seems to me that your expectations are 7 years in the past? I guess that's a good place to be when the Wii U exceeds them but I don't see how, given all the threads we have had on Wii U, you can think it's really just going to be a 360/PS3, maybe with real 720.
It's kind of funny. I was pissed when the Zelda tech demo style died, and we saw Windwaker, and then I actually played the game and fell in love with it. Still my favorite Zelda (didn't play TP or SS yet though.).
Now, after all these years, I'm kind of hoping the next Zelda is a cell-shaded game, just to see the possibilities, but I'll honestly be happy either way.
Now, after all these years, I'm kind of hoping the next Zelda is a cell-shaded game, just to see the possibilities, but I'll honestly be happy either way.
GameplayWhore
Member
Har, I've been here. But I'm on my phone in a half awake state, away from my list. News has been kind of crap today anyway.
edit: most of the news has been reiterations of old stuff, like Reggie not being a paragon of honest or the Wii U not being as fast as some devs would like.
As much as I loved Wind Waker, I'm actually hoping the next Zelda isn't cell-shaded. I'm hoping they improve on the tech demo shown last year.
TheExplodingHead
Banned
We thought this after the Spaceworld demo too. But I agree with you here, critically and especially fanbase-wise want to see a quasi-realistic Zelda with jaw dropping detail and spectacle. It would just seem to reason based on how well that type of Zelda is received it would be the direction that should be taken. Of course I'm a fan of differing realized art styles and maybe even a surrealist approach. But all in all I think the market clamors more for the type of Zelda shown in the demo, which isn't to say that other art style types couldn't be implemented in that game somehow.
SaintMadeOfPlaster
Member
History suggests otherwise.
Honestly, I don't want something that looks like that. Sure, I would love a more realistic Zelda, but not a rip-off of the Twilight Princess style. One of my favorite things about the Zelda universe is that it looks so different with each game, except for MM and OoT (But MM had to be made in a year, so it's excusable).
I'd want them to take a cue from MM, particularly the artwork, and have something with a real charcoal painted look. Would make for a nice contrast from what they did with Skyword Sword, which was more an impressionist style with soft colours and highlighting.
TheCongressman1
Member
I don't think anyone is expecting the exact style they have shown, that's why it's been said 'similar style'.
Of course they aren't going to reuse the TP assets, but I do expect to see a more realistically detailed game like TP was. A watercolor and ink effect on top of that would be a nice touch.
I love Nintendo experimenting with styles like WW and SS, but I think next time it'd be nice, given this is their first HD machine, they go all out with a style that just pushes their hardware to the max. This might not necessarily mean it's the TP style we saw.
SaintMadeOfPlaster
Member
Hahahaha
I'd love to see a game that looks more like MM's art style. I was always bummed that the limitations of the 64 prevented it from being what Aonuma probably envisioned.
SolidSnakex
Member
I think that times are different now. They just went through a less than spectacular reception to the Wii U's unveiling. But that Zelda demo still received near universal praise. It's clear that people liked what they saw and would love to see a full game done in a similar style. Showing the full game with a drastically different artstyle would almost certainly bring negative reactions. I just can't see them doing something that they know will bring a negative reaction, especially after how the Wii U unveiling went.
That doesn't mean that they''ll never change the artstyle in a drastic way again. But I think that the first Zelda game on the Wii U has to be similar to that tech demo.
I do think a TP style is the way to go. I enjoyed the art directionand atmosphere of the game even if it suffered from shoddy textures, minimal lighting etc.
Take TP art direction turn it HD with all the bells and whistles and I think you have a game that will have everyone talking
Take TP art direction turn it HD with all the bells and whistles and I think you have a game that will have everyone talking
Mr. MondayNight
Member
I'm hoping for a Pokemon yellow type deal where it will work on the DS but when you place the game in the 3DS it adds functionality.
So I missed nothing. Glad I didn't waste time checking the thread at work then.
Mr_Miyamoto
Banned
The "added functionality" is coming in the form of interactions with the two Pokemon-centric 3DS apps launching with the game: the updated Pokedex Pro, and "Pokemon AR Searcher" where you somehow capture Pokemon in an augmented reality minigame thing that can be transferred to B/W Version 2.
ADANIEL1960
Neo Member
I have really liked all the art styles.
There is bound to more that you can do with more power.
Maybe something new, maybe Link could unite the Goron and the Zora armies against the massive evil army of the Gannon. CPU AI and GPU working to show a huge endgame battlefield that Nintendo have never been capable of showing before.
Mr. MondayNight
Member
And I can accept that....
Nintendo has so much more power at their disposal now that they could deviate even further from the constraints of realism. The entire Wii U presentation. Zelda demo included, was meant to sell third-parties on the Wii U's legitimacy as a platform. Nintendo aims high with their concept art, so that falling short still qualifies as exceptional. Now they have the power to meet those standards. I don't see why they would return to Twilight Princess's style when they could do something completely new.
EatChildren
Currently polling second in Australia's federal election (first in the Gold Coast), this feral may one day be your Bogan King.
Not really. Supersampling isn't just a good AA solution, it cleans up the IQ as a whole. Coupled with 16xAF, it gives maximum clarity to distant textures and the nicest overall IQ.
But, you're right in that a lot of people won't notice, in the same sense that a lot of people won't notice the difference between 720p and 1080p, and a lot of gamers probably don't realise Call of Duty is a sub-HD franchise.
My expectations are low because I'm a mid-high end PC gamer, and by comparison every console is shitty technology. I didn't say it bothered me or that I really care, simply that it is a reality. It's easy to spot technical blemishes when you're sitting a foot or two away from a 1080p monitor, playing your games in a minimum of 1080p, maxed out, and occasionally supersampled.
I don't expect 360/PS3 visuals. I expect a system producing (or, more accurately, has the potential to produce) better overall detail and scene complexity. And I expect we'll see this, eventually, from at the very least Nintendo's work. I don't expect games to, on average, render at higher than 720p. And I'm pessimistic about decent AA, because.
Gahiggidy
My aunt & uncle run a Mom & Pop store, "The Gamecube Hut", and sold 80k WiiU within minutes of opening.
Nothing new to be honest. As far as I can remember, only clicky sticks being added and final dev kits arriving at developer offices have been the concrete wii u news since this thread started. If you come back in another five days, Ideaman shoud be a full member and will maybe use the occasion to tell us a big scoop on the wii u. So there's that.
THX for info...
nintendors
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I think something like this would make every single gamer looking at Zelda differently , and I believe that Zelda (of all Nintendo franchises) needs to create a new fan base for it along side the current fans,,,I would luv something of epic proportions like that though
nothing really
Nintendo will release the WiiU with an empty box and a piece of paper saying "Thank You for buying or WiiU unfortunately we are going 3rd party, kindly visit the nearest Apple store to buy our products there"
I guess we will be OK then :/
Obvious news, but FIFA 13 has been confirmed as coming to the Wii U, although since it is being developed by a separate studio to the other versions, there's every chance it might be the same kiddy embarrassment Wii players have had to look away from for the past five years.
Eurogamer source (check the subtitle below the final image)
Eurogamer source (check the subtitle below the final image)
ThoseDeafMutes
Member
Millions of PS3 gamers wish this was true.
AdventureRacing
Member
I wonder if nintendo will continue to make 60FPS a priority for a lot of their games. I hope so.
Just to clarify, there's nothing in the article suggesting it's going to be a kiddy version, just that it's developed by a different team. Given my cynicism regarding EA though, that immediately raises the worst possible scenario.
nintendors
Member
EA & Nintendo last E3 were preparing to announce something big between them, but they didnt, and I think this year we will hear something about that. Maybe lead versions of their games ??
when in doubt ...
EA & Nintendo last E3 were preparing to announce something big between them, but they didnt, and I think this year we will hear something about that. Maybe lead versions of their games ??
when in doubt ...
ha...hahaha....hahahahahahaha.....
that was a good one...really...
I dont know if that will ever happen...but...we will see....
There's nothing to announce. Nintendo moneyhatted EA so they don't make shitty ports or "versions" anymore. That's it.EA & Nintendo last E3 were preparing to announce something big between them, but they didnt, and I think this year we will hear something about that. Maybe lead versions of their games ??
Actually bothered to read all the pages since I went to sleep, and I woke up in a much more optimistic mood then a lot of people here, and expect the system to be ~3X360 and PS4/XB3 to be at max around 3X greater than Wii U, but with the same level tech, except of course the Wii U's fixed functionality not being included in that estimate, allowing for a nice boost in performance, nothing that will put it on par, but something that should keep it away from a Dreamcast to Xbox comparison.
I'm also perfectly fine with graphics around LA Noire and Uncharted 3 being possible at launch, with the added effects of the fixed function shaders, you're going to get stuff like Lighting at a much higher fidelity (in terms of light and reflections) like the bird demo or even Zelda demo, I'm pretty confident that even if BG is right about 480sp@600MHz, it would still be able to accomplish that, anything beyond it is gravy.
Just a quick side note, the Zelda and Bird demos were done on underclocked, unfinished hardware, and the Bird demo was displayed on the tablet and tv at the same time, which is pretty impressive with underclocked hardware of that nature. (no fixed functionality would of been in those boxes as the chip simply didn't exist until December/January)
Well, I know a lot of people like to keep their expectations low, but Wii U's GPU is rumored to have 32MB of on board memory, isn't that enough to add quite a bit of AA to a 720p game without huge cuts to performance?
I remember reading that 360's 10MB was what stopped it from getting a lot of titles with AA.
I'm also perfectly fine with graphics around LA Noire and Uncharted 3 being possible at launch, with the added effects of the fixed function shaders, you're going to get stuff like Lighting at a much higher fidelity (in terms of light and reflections) like the bird demo or even Zelda demo, I'm pretty confident that even if BG is right about 480sp@600MHz, it would still be able to accomplish that, anything beyond it is gravy.
Just a quick side note, the Zelda and Bird demos were done on underclocked, unfinished hardware, and the Bird demo was displayed on the tablet and tv at the same time, which is pretty impressive with underclocked hardware of that nature. (no fixed functionality would of been in those boxes as the chip simply didn't exist until December/January)
Well, I know a lot of people like to keep their expectations low, but Wii U's GPU is rumored to have 32MB of on board memory, isn't that enough to add quite a bit of AA to a 720p game without huge cuts to performance?
I remember reading that 360's 10MB was what stopped it from getting a lot of titles with AA.
Then it would be another fifa game, i will not get.
Gahiggidy
My aunt & uncle run a Mom & Pop store, "The Gamecube Hut", and sold 80k WiiU within minutes of opening.
Ok, great. I'm happy your optimistic. Now go take a look at this thread and realize that, come E3, xbox people will be running all around the place telling anyone who will listen that Halo 4, in fact, looks better than anything on the Wii U.
That's only if it's set up like on 360. PS2, Wii, 360, PSP have eDRAM and use it differently.
If it's like 360 32MB would be enough for 720p 4xAA without performace penalties, but that's only for forward renderers, which are mostly on their way out.
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