The Wii U Speculation Thread V: The Final Frontier

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MS and Sony announcing new consoles, but not showing anything playable, would be amazingly awesome for Nintendo.

"You saw a lot of fluff, now here's something you can actually play!"

I'm sure they'll show something. There's no point in showing your hardware without a little game tease. Even if it's all tech demos, they'll need something to show.

I would like a WiiU Saints Row alot more. I like Saints Row more and the inzterface and crazy weapons would work SO FREAKING WELL with the DRC

I'm a bigger fan of Saints Row myself. I just don't see THQ surviving long enough to develop a Saints Row game for the Wii U :(
 
Microsoft has a bigger booth than last year, and Sony's tagline is a dead giveaway. They both lied to get more hype at E3 to ensure that they pull rug right under Nintendo's feet. It's also most likely why Sony is going before Nintendo.
Doesn't really mean "new console" reveal. They're going to unveil new games and that's it.
 
Its a shame that its not particularly easy to find out who is being hired at Nintendo. Only one we really know about is that Crytek guy thanks to Linkedin

Explain?

This will be quite interesting. MPH wasn't a bad game, but it could have been a lot better than it was. Considering it was an online multiplayer game, maybe they're working on a game that will have a strong online multiplayer focus.

Metroid Prime Hunters was fantastic for what it was. But the producers outlined an "unreal tournament" experience for the dev team. That is what they delivered.

Do we know how they are going to organize their teams, the number of teams and the number of people per team?

Which teams will remain at the old building and which ones will shift to the new one?

No clue. But i figure they will move all EAD and SPD into the new building? As opposed to them being split. Maybe the hardware teams go into the kyoto research institute.. or monolith.. who knows.
 
Doesn't really mean "new console" reveal. They're going to unveil new games and that's it.

Microsoft shouldn't have any need for a larger area, since they probably will have about the same amount of games as last year.

MS and Sony announcing new consoles, but not showing anything playable, would be amazingly awesome for Nintendo.

"You saw a lot of fluff, now here's something you can actually play!"

They'll both show amazing UE4 tech demos. That'll be more than enough to distract most people from Nintendo.
 
Microsoft has a bigger booth than last year, and Sony's tagline is a dead giveaway. They both lied to get more hype at E3 to ensure that they pull rug right under Nintendo's feet. It's also most likely why Sony is going before Nintendo.

Those are very weak reasons. More room on Microsofts part could be explained simply as requiring more room for all the Kinect demos they will stuff down our throats this year. The sony quote can be read any number of ways. Also, presidents of companies lying to the public and shareholders to build hype? Come on dude. Business isnt a game.
 
Microsoft has a bigger booth than last year, and Sony's tagline is a dead giveaway. They both lied to get more hype at E3 to ensure that they pull rug right under Nintendo's feet. It's also most likely why Sony is going before Nintendo.
Tangential, tenuous evidence =/= basically confirmed, BurntPork.

Lying to investors and media about major hardware releases - not shuffling, not deflecting, but lying - is nothing any sane company wants to be doing.
 
Microsoft has a bigger booth than last year, and Sony's tagline is a dead giveaway. They both lied to get more hype at E3 to ensure that they pull rug right under Nintendo's feet. It's also most likely why Sony is going before Nintendo.

I'm actually with you on this one, and have been since about November. Now I'm not sure if both go big, but something of some kind will pop up, good sourced sites like MCV reported that both had something, as well as other insiders.

Plus when you think about there is talk about both launching in the same Q, that is stupid if you ask me, but if that does happen you should at least have the hype jump on the other one, with the added benfit of getting a lot of the Nintendo hating journalists to completely attack the Wii U.

It just makes sense, even if you wan't to make the argument that it might hurt sales a little bit from here until next E3, the long term gain of screwing over, or not allowing your competitors to get a jump on you will work in your favor long term. Plus obviously their going to deny because if they don't people will take that as an admission, and any surprise you have on your opponent is gone.
 
Rösti;37588172 said:
Pachter actually made much sense in the new episode of Pach-Attack!. No bashing of Nintendo, no comparing Wii U's hardware with that of Xbox 360 and PlayStation 3. He simply said he believes Nintendo isn't certain on all hardware components yet. He suggests though that specs may be given at E3, and that Nintendo needs to present final specs 3-4 months before launch. And he hopes they will add more memory (unsure if he means RAM or non-volatile memory).

My predictions were wrong, and I'm glad for it.
knowing Nintendo they simply won't reveal the specs, which is smart since they don't want to enter the tech race and remain as an entertainment system.
 
I'm reading the May NP now. What was ever decided about the "NEXT MONTH" image?

nintendo_power_june_2012_teaser.jpg
 
The only reason Sony and MS would show a console with some tech demos this E3 is to take away the spotlight from Nintendo. Think about it for a second. How are they going to do it with the software they show? We had a lot of Kinect, Halo, etc the previous years. I'm not sure what Sony had shown since I skip their conferences due to lack of interest. If they know any better they'll end up revealing their consoles. And for those who say they already said they won't show them, I have one thing to say. Nothing is final until E3. They will always make changes to their plan.

I'm reading the May NP now. What was ever decided about the "NEXT MONTH" image?

http://nintendoeverything.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/nintendo_power_june_2012_teaser.jpg[IMG][/QUOTE]
Bond game?

[quote="TriGen, post: 37588885"]CoD?[/QUOTE]

Where's the setting of BLOps 2? Could be this.
 
Microsoft has a bigger booth than last year, and Sony's tagline is a dead giveaway. They both lied to get more hype at E3 to ensure that they pull rug right under Nintendo's feet. It's also most likely why Sony is going before Nintendo.

Microsoft has just now tapped into a lucrative market with Kinect, theyre selling a ton of 360s and Kinects and people are thinking theyre going to just abandon that and show new hardware?

The real money to be made is from exploiting that new market with software sales, not launching a new system.
 
from the nintendo go website:

about Beyond Good and Evil 2
I know that we've already heard Ancel say he wasn't sure Wii U could handle the game, but now that's looking even less likely.

when did he say that??
 
from the nintendo go website:

about Beyond Good and Evil 2


when did he say that??

Ancel basically said that the console hardware needed to run BG&E won't be available this year. Wii U is definitely not getting it unless the console really takes off. Ancel doesn't consider Wii U next-gen.
 
They had Kinect last year. By your logic, everyone should need a bigger booth every year, and yet Nintendo's booth is the exact same size. Needing extra space because of one game in unlikely at best.

There's a thread with the tagline on the board.

If they have more Kinect titles to demo, they would need more space, it's mere logic. You're making an assumption that they will have the same volume of content.

And yeah, Halo is basically Microsoft's best-selling IP, like HELL they won't give everyone a chance to test-drive it... and again, that requires more space.

I checked the Sony thing.... yeah, they're talking about games, dude.
 
That may be for Nintendo of America rather than NST (or NTD). Nintendo of America has an engineering team as welll. Mainly for stuff other than direct game development. Unless he chose Nintendo just to be vague.

Ah that's interesting. Do they work in some sort of collaboration with NST, or assist the western Nintendo developers in some form?
 
Where's the setting of BLOps 2? Could be this.

Not sure, but speaking of BO2, the Wii section of the forum was recently shut down. Right before it was shut down there were a bunch of people discussing that interview where BO2 was kind of confirmed for the WiiU. Kind of sounds like they're trying to keep the cat in the bag.
 
Man.. if they do go Kinect-crazy, I'm going to laaaaaugh. Those presentations are always hysterical.. comedy gold!

Yeah. Sure they tend to be handed as "worst" in E3, but at least they're actually gif-able and laughable, compared to so boring, so dragged-down Sony.
 
Not sure, but speaking of BO2, the Wii section of the forum was recently shut down. Right before it was shut down, there were a bunch of people discussing that interview where BO2 was kind of confirmed for the WiiU. Kind of sounds like they're trying to keep the cat in the bag.

Or the Wii version just got cancelled
I'm kidding... I'm kidding :P
 
NST (and NTD) have also been hiring. Nintendo of Japan is always hiring



It's not their second R&D building. It would be third building. The Central Office has and Kyoto Research Institute being the two big ones. Then there is the Tokyo Office. I am still not sure how Iwata plans to coordinate or restructure the R&D now with three buildings in Kyoto.

Ah, Shikamaru Ninja, good timing. I just talked with The Lascar, who in turn suggested me to talk with you.

Since 2005, Nintendo expanded a lot, hiring 200-400 people per year. The total employees in 2005 was around 3000. Today is roughly 5000. The data I found on the internet is way too approximative and out of date.

Do you have some data regarding where are employed all these people? I'm most of all interested in the number of teams, the average number of people per team, and which teams are going to work in the new building at Kyoto.

Thanks in advance!

Edit: I saw now that you already answered my third question. Thanks a lot.

No clue. But i figure they will move all EAD and SPD into the new building? As opposed to them being split. Maybe the hardware teams go into the kyoto research institute.. or monolith.. who knows.
 
I mustache you a question. How in the fuck do I make this site work?
I have tried every single browser, yet it refuses to load.

What is your secret?
I have noticed that it is quite difficult to get the site working with Firefox and Safari, even if you flush cache and temporary Internet files. I use Opera/9.80 under Windows 7 and as long as I haven't got a huge amount of cache and temporary files stored, it loads. Just flush cache and reload the site in Opera and it should work.
 
The only good implication I can draw from 'clickable sticks' is 'sticks'.

Expanding on the silver motif, how would you guys and gals like it if nintendo shifted from the white looking hardware and general designs to this:

iq6vr.jpg


Honestly, now that i'm looking at it, i think i prefer white lol.
But there you have it.

Looking at that pokedex makes me really hope Nintendo up the sensitivity on the Subscreen. Scrolling has always been awful with your finger on their screens. It requires too much pressure. So do button presses but it's not quite as bad.
 
EatChildren said:
Why give a crap about SD to HD then? Resolution is resolution. If you think that's going to be the only difference between Microsoft and Nintendo's hardware, you're going to be surprised. All resolution dictates is the rendered pixels, and fact of the matter is 1080p looks crisper, cleaner and far nicer than 720p. Not to mention pretty much every modern display bar the lowest budget line is built to natively render at 1080p, forced to upscale 720p.

But more importantly, that certainly wont be the only thing that separates the two. It's simply an added bonus of having stronger hardware: better overall rendering IQ.

I will, however, make an argument that a lot of people wont notice it. Mass market consumers wont, just like they probably don't see much of a difference between Call of Duty: Black Ops PS3 and WipeOut HD, despite the latter regularly rendering at near twice the resolution. What they will notice is all the bells and whistles on top of that. And like z0m3 said, a lot of next generation games will probably run at 720p anyway, as developers wish to focus resources towards extra effects.

But, end of the day, I take ShockingAlberto's stance (regardless of him telling people not to take it as fact). I expect the Wii U to be more powerful than any current generation title, and by an amount that allows for ground-up system pushing titles to legitimately look better. I think we'll see a lot of titles that don't do this, particularly ports. And, when Microsoft's console arrives, I'm expecting it to smoke the Wii U's performance, far and beyond any Wii U = PS2 / XboxNext = Xbox kind of comparisons. And I expect it to be stupid expensive.

Resolution will matter, but I don't expect it to be the game changer that moving from SD to HD was this generation. Reading your post, we seem to agree, but I wanted to express my thoughts anyway. Diminishing returns DOES come into play here. An increase from 480p to 720p was a factor of 1.5. People right away could notice the difference and most would say "this looks twice as good!" The change from 720p to 1080p, while still having that factor of 1.5, is much less noticeable to the human eye. It went from "wow!" to "I think I can tell! It's this one, right?" There are differences to make it look better, yes, but they're more subtle, and many people with a 32" screen or less don't notice at all.

Of course, if you're gaming on 37" or above, it WILL matter more. But several of these people are higher end users, and not the general gaming population. The general population I doubt really has 1080p capable TVs as they're more expensive, nor do they have the understanding (or care enough) about what makes it better. They just think "HD is HD" and get wrapped up in LCD vs Plasma vs LED debate, etc., if they care to get wrapped up in it at all. Hell, at the end of the day a lot don't even have the right cords plugged in or the right settings switched on their devices.

And not to pick on anyone, but there have been people on this forum saying "oh my god, the U tablet isn't even HD!," unaware of the concept of pixel density and why THAT is the deciding factor of what looks good. And contrast ratios, of course.

That's why personally I'm OK with 720p. I'd rather have that at 60 fps than 1080p at 30. Sure, the counter argument is the more complex the console, the easier it will be to hold 60 frames regardless of the resolution. But for me that's going a little off topic, as that's more about console power than actual resolution. But I could see a very complex game on Wii U running at 30fps (or unstable), while PS720 doesn't break a sweat at 60. This happens every generation and it's a different argument IMO.
 
I just have a question.
Is Kid Icarus Uprising been confirmed for Wii U ?

No. Pretty sure Nintendo's philosophy will be that if they up-port their 3DS games to Wii U, they'll end up being in competition with themselves (i.e. less reason to grab a 3DS). Though from what I've read about that control scheme, it would be a better fit on a console. Perhaps a sequel will be announced though?
 
Yeah, that's why I thought. Because Reggie talked about some connectivity with the game and Wii U, one french video games website (the most famous one) claimed that Kid Icarus Uprising would come to Wii U (it was back in E3 2011)

For the Reggie quote, you might be getting that confused with Smash Bros.
 
Slow day today, this topic must reach 2000 posts today so its on track. :P

I really hope nintendo releases a downloadable indie sdk.
 
For the Reggie quote, you might be getting that confused with Smash Bros.

Pretty sure this is Smash Bros. confusion too.

If Nintendo does cross platform 3DS/Wii U games, expect the 2 games to have significantly different content. Think along the lines of completely different single player games but identical and compatible multiplayer.
 
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