The Wii U Speculation Thread V: The Final Frontier

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You know what? Screw mass marketing price :P lets have photo realealistic graphics today :P

:: A DUAL Graphics card based on QuadroFX 5800(drivers were re-written for gaming), with a mighty 240 cores (3,000 dollars x 2 = 6,000).
:: 64 GB of ram.
:: Processor? (Anyone knows the best processor for a graphic workstation)?

We can complete this list together to create the true beast console.
 
Charoncaori said:
This thread is impossible to keep up with.

I see someone else has thought of a Retro Banjo-Kazooie sequel. That would be hilarious.
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I believe this ought to be rather difficult seeing as Rare Limited is now a Microsoft subsidiary. Though anything can happen, Rare did audiovisual work, computer program, sounds and music for Diddy Kong Racing DS in 2007. But I wouldn't bet on a Banjo-Kazooie game for Wii U.
 
Nilaul said:
You know what? Screw mass marketing price :P lets have photo realealistic graphics today :P

a DUAL Graphics card based on QuadroFX 5800, with a mighty 240 cores (3,000 dollars). (drivers were re-written, for gaming)
The console comes with 64 gb or ram.
Processor? (Anyone knows the best processor for a graphic workstation)?
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Did/Do you work for Atari or Magnavox ??
 
Where did this talk of advertising dollars come from? Is there an OP or link somewhere? If Nintendo is matching advertising dollars thats a pretty good incentive for 3rd parties to get on the wii u at launch. Gotta love some free promotion.
 
Terrell said:
...... really?



.... SERIOUSLY??!?
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Really!

and yes Seriously!

SF is a mediocre series with one outstanding entry. It's one of Nintendos worst franchises in terms of average quality and market appeal. It's also quite clear, that nintendo doesn't really know what to do with it after SF64.

Aside from the fact that it's design language was ridiculous since it's inception, the horrible redesigns of Fox and co. are a testament to Nintendos reluctance to invest much into the franchise.

I see the franchise at a dead end and thats why I stick with my assertion that Retro would waste their talent on a new SF. As would pretty much everyone else.
 
Rösti;37614870 said:
I believe this ought to be rather difficult seeing as Rare Limited is now a Microsoft subsidiary. Though anything can happen, Rare did audiovisual work, computer program, sounds and music for Diddy Kong Racing DS in 2007. But I wouldn't bet on a Banjo-Kazooie game for Wii U.
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I wouldn't bet on it either, but they're perfectly capable of re-acquiring the IP for Retro...
I'm don't think Rare would help out, though. They're pretty much gone.
 
Nilaul said:
You know what? Screw mass marketing price :P lets have photo realealistic graphics today :P

:: A DUAL Graphics card based on QuadroFX 5800(drivers were re-written for gaming), with a mighty 240 cores (3,000 dollars x 2 = 6,000).
:: 64 GB of ram.
:: Processor? (Anyone knows the best processor for a graphic workstation)?

We can complete this list together to create the true beast console.
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Screw that, let's get some 24th century technology and build that holodeck!
 
Rösti;37614870 said:
I believe this ought to be rather difficult seeing as Rare Limited is now a Microsoft subsidiary. Though anything can happen, Rare did audiovisual work, computer program, sounds and music for Diddy Kong Racing DS in 2007. But I wouldn't bet on a Banjo-Kazooie game for Wii U.
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Worst part about the RARE deal was Nintendo didn't retain any of the IP. Conker, Banjo-Kazooir and Jonna Dark all would have had a place on Nintendo platforms (and for no other reason than new Smash characters :-p)

As I understand it, Iwata did want to secure the rights to some of those characters, but he was overruled.
 
nintendors said:
HOLY SHHHHH,,,,if this is true then I really wanna see what Nintendo is planning for marketing the thing,,,,Micro did what? like half billion for markting Kinect ? Nintendo needs to be in everyone face with the WiiU especially since its gonna be near Xmas !
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I think Nintendo is going to let word of mouth market Wii U like they did with Wii. They'll focus more on getting the controller in peoples' hands and let that do the advertising. But there will be commercials as well.

artwalknoon said:
Where did this talk of advertising dollars come from? Is there an OP or link somewhere? If Nintendo is matching advertising dollars thats a pretty good incentive for 3rd parties to get on the wii u at launch. Gotta love some free promotion.
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Found it.

John Harker said:
Well, the userbase of Wii U is 0 right now so early ports give publishers a chance to ESTABLISH a profitable audience on the platform for their preferred content.

That is a big incentive to do it from Day 0. It'll be cheap for them to port and the potential payoff is rather big as people wane from current systems and they can sustain profits on Wii U till PS4/XboxNext comes out without having to increase dev size that dramatically.

So, get in early with your core content, establish a user base that buys those types of games, and get medium-term profits. It's not a bad strategy. That, and Nintendo will match marketing dollars for select launch titles, and who doesn't want free money?

Last, CoD Wii gets Acti ~1MM incremental sales. That's more than a lot of these games will sell at all... so, go get your pie third parties. Eat it too.
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snesfreak said:
Screw that, let's get some 24th century technology and build that holodeck!
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WiiU stop gap CONFIRMED !!!! :P
 
bgassassin said:
I think Nintendo is going to let word of mouth market Wii U like they did with Wii. They'll focus more on getting the controller in peoples' hands and let that do the advertising. But there will be commercials as well.



Found it.
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Wow, now I just imagine Nintendo paying for AC3 ads that show ps3 footage and multi plat logos at the end. That would suck for Nintendo. Maybe select titles means wii u exclusives only or ads that only show the wii u versions and logo.
 
bgassassin said:
I think Nintendo is going to let word of mouth market Wii U like they did with Wii. They'll focus more on getting the controller in peoples' hands and let that do the advertising. But there will be commercials as well.
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but bg didnt Nintendo thought "the word of mouth" approach was going to work with the 3DS and they kinda admitted it didn't (
I think?
)
 
artwalknoon said:
Wow, now I just imagine Nintendo paying for AC3 ads that show ps3 footage and multi plat logos at the end. That would suck for Nintendo. Maybe select titles means wii u exclusives only or ads that only show the wii u versions and logo.
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That's not how it works. Any advertising Nintendo pays for will promote the game on Wii U only, and would be subject to approval. Nintendo isn't just blindly doaling out cash to third party marketing budgets.
 
Billiechu said:
Too bad both of those games are mediocre.
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no, they are both great.
nordique said:
if one takes all the hardcore gamers around who picked up a PS3, likely yes.

but mass market, this is not
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of course it's not mass market, i wasn't implying it was. the ps3 was horribly overpriced.

boris feinbrand said:
SF is a mediocre series with one outstanding entry. It's one of Nintendos worst franchises in terms of average quality and market appeal. It's also quite clear, that nintendo doesn't really know what to do with it after SF64.
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i don't know what happened with star fox. they make star fox 1, one of the best snes games, and then we got sf64, which wasn't as good, but still great... and then... :(
 
BD1 said:
That's not how it works. Any advertising Nintendo pays for will promote the game on Wii U only, and would be subject to approval. Nintendo isn't just blindly doaling out cash to third party marketing budgets.
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so its much like COD ads for the Xbox and how it has many exclusives, and then at the end show probably just boxarts for other consoles ?
 
nintendors said:
but bg didnt Nintendo thought "the word of mouth" approach was going to work with the 3DS and they kinda admitted it didn't (
I think?
)
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I don't recall that being the case for 3DS. All I remember was "People loved the E3 presentation. Let's launch 3DS for $249.99!"

nintendors said:
so its much like COD ads for the Xbox and how it has many exclusives, and then at the end show probably just boxarts for other consoles ?
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Yeah something like that. For a multiplat the Wii U version would get prominent billing.
 
Linkhero1 said:
Seems like MS might not have all that much to show at E3 after all. On the latest bonus round Patcher said he's heading over to MS in the upcoming weeks and they told him to not expect a lot of games and rather dashboard stuff.

Seems like they're going for Halo 4, CoD, Kinect, and Home Entertainment Device stuff at E3. It's just Sony I'm not sure of at this point. Seems like if Nintendo doesn't fuck up they'll have the best E3.
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This is setting up to be a primarily boring E3 press conference run.
 
Gravijah said:
i don't know what happened with star fox. they make star fox 1, one of the best snes games, and then we got sf64, which wasn't as good, but still great... and then... :(
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Star Fox 64 is the outstanding entry. It took the series above and beyond. It has not evolved since. But it is clearly the foundation from where the franchise needs to move from.
 
bgassassin said:
I don't recall that being the case for 3DS. All I remember was "People loved the E3 presentation. Let's launch 3DS for $249.99!"
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lol ,,,u know I'm one of the people that think if Nintendo did launch the thing with an amazing software and then kept the momentum, there would be no need for the price cut.
 
I'd like to see a Lylat Wars/Star Fox command hybrid on the Wii U. So a healthy mix of levels with elaborate set pieces and classic linear Starfox gameplay and then on the side a strategy mode where you can command lots of ships using the Wii U pad and try to conquer the galaxy.
 
bgassassin said:
Actually the talk was about Star Fox's appeal outside of a niche audience.
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I saw it devolve into a separate tangent after that discussion, so I made a comment on that.

boris feinbrand said:
Really!

and yes Seriously!

SF is a mediocre series with one outstanding entry. It's one of Nintendos worst franchises in terms of average quality and market appeal. It's also quite clear, that nintendo doesn't really know what to do with it after SF64.

Aside from the fact that it's design language was ridiculous since it's inception, the horrible redesigns of Fox and co. are a testament to Nintendos reluctance to invest much into the franchise.

I see the franchise at a dead end and thats why I stick with my assertion that Retro would waste their talent on a new SF. As would pretty much everyone else.
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2 outstanding entries, first of all. The original Star Fox was fantastic and the sequel built off of that in fantastic ways, though lost a small piece of itself in the transition (mostly, the music direction)

What happened with the series is simple to determine... no game after SF64 had direct development performed by Nintendo (heck, even the original was a co-creation with Argonaut and EAD), and it shows in how derivative they became.

Adventures happened because Miyamoto thought the characters in Dinosaur Planet lined up with the Star Fox series.
Assault, as I mentioned, was given to Namco and was a passable game in its own right except for the shitty ground missions that were added to tie the gameplay in Adventures to the rest of the series (though considering it was made by a team that had never DONE ground missions in a game before, not all that surprised).
Command is really the game where the series took a serious quality dive in terms of presentation and in terms of adding nothing good to the table, and most fans would prefer to pretend that it had never existed.

And that's where we are now. If EAD decided to give it another crack or to let another internal team like EAD Tokyo have it, they could very likely do some amazing things with it. But because it's languished in the hell that is outsourced development for the better part of 10 years, I can't blame you for saying there's a reason to be cautious about making another one.

It really depends on where Nintendo takes it from here, but to say it has almost NO value in the Nintendo roster aside from a place in Smash Brothers is far from the truth. To say it has niche appeal is also a bit damning to games that sell in the same range, such as Pikmin and Luigi's Mansion.

One must also consider that Miyamoto still LOVES the series, which gives me faith that he sees where they have mis-stepped and will bring it back to internal development.
 
nintendors said:
lol ,,,u know I'm one of the people that think if Nintendo did launch the thing with an amazing software and then kept the momentum, there would be no need for the price cut.
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I'm not sure if that's true. There doesn't seem to be a big market for 250$ handheld systems in our glorious smartphone age.
 
Linkhero1 said:
Seems like MS might not have all that much to show at E3 after all. On the latest bonus round Patcher said he's heading over to MS in the upcoming weeks and they told him to not expect a lot of games and rather dashboard stuff.

Seems like they're going for Halo 4, CoD, Kinect, and Home Entertainment Device stuff at E3. It's just Sony I'm not sure of at this point. Seems like if Nintendo doesn't fuck up they'll have the best E3.
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XBOX's days as a game brand are over. Microsoft's grand vision has always been to use the game console as a trojan horse to rule the living room, and Kinect got them the install base to do it. Not saying that's a bad thing (depends on your opinion of things) but their focus going forward is going to be all the other cool stuff XBox does.
 
you know, if something like f-zero or star fox isn't worth a full retail release, how about using those IPs to really start pushing the eshop? give me a wipeout hd equivalent to f-zero, damn it.
 
Terrell said:
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Adventures happened because Miyamoto thought the characters in Dinosaur Planet lined up with the Star Fox series.
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I said this in another thread, but I often wonder the fate of that IP if RARE had originally made the main characters a Koala Bear instead of a fox? Forcing the Star Fox IP onto that game was a disaster.

Man, I remember my teenage self being so pumped for Dinosaur Planet. It was going to be this epic, sprawling, adventure and then... It wasn't.
 
Gravijah said:
you know, if something like f-zero or star fox isn't worth a full retail release, how about using those IPs to really start pushing the eshop? give me a wipeout hd equivalent to f-zero, damn it.
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The problem is that both games you mentioned are too big franchises for being eShop games and too small franchises for being full retail games - I see them in Nintendo Limbo :lol
 
BD1 said:
XBOX's days as a game brand are over. Microsoft's grand vision has always been to use the game console as a trojan horse to rule the living room, and Kinect got them the install base to do it. Not saying that's a bad thing (depends on your opinion of things) but their focus going forward is going to be all the other cool stuff XBox does.
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The only danger is.. if they push too hard, they run the risk of losing their base. It's going to be a bit delicate for them to make this shift in focus. If they spend most of one E3 (maybe not this one) saying, "hey! look at all of the non-gaming stuff that the 720 can do!" we're going to hear no shortage of indignant howling from the audience they already have.

Should be fun to watch, haha!
 
I was thinking ,,,,what if Nintendo announced that WiiU would cost 349.99 $ , I can seriously see Media Bitching/Whining/Meltdowns all across the interwebs,, cuz as far as I can see they wanted it to be launched at the original Wii price !! which is INSANE !! I mean people seemed perfectly fine with the 3DS price at E3 , in fact when people were speculating about the Vita price, everyone seemed to suggest that it would cost way more than 250$, and when Sony said "250$" everybody was jumping with joy about the price and how amazing it is !!! ,,,,now everybody is saying how Vita is overpriced and needs a price cut ASAP,,,WTH ??

what I'm trying to say is, if Nintendo deliver the promise of WiiU being worth every single penny (whether its 300,350 or 400$) and most people seemed OK with that price, we will be seeing alot of articles saying how expensive it is and how people should avoid it for now (cuz price cut is eminent?) and what Nintendo can really do at that point ?

I really dont wanna be in Nintendo shoe right now :/
 
HylianTom said:
The only danger is.. if they push too hard, they run the risk of losing their base. It's going to be a bit delicate for them to make this shift in focus. If they spend most of one E3 (maybe not this one) saying, "hey! look at all of the non-gaming stuff that the 720 can do!" we're going to hear no shortage of indignant howling from the audience they already have.

Should be fun to watch, haha!
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Yep. At first, I was surprised that 720 is apparently going to be bleeding edge tech, because Microsoft found much of their success because of Kinect and a great mass market price. But then it makes more sense to me that they'd have a beast of a machine, to keep the Western Devs tantalized, while they push LIVE services and convert houses to a Wndows 8 ecosystem.
 
bgassassin said:
This is setting up to be a primarily boring E3 press conference run.
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Yeah. I think I might just skip the whole first day altogether and actually go to work.

BD1 said:
XBOX's days as a game brand are over. Microsoft's grand vision has always been to use the game console as a trojan horse to rule the living room, and Kinect got them the install base to do it. Not saying that's a bad thing (depends on your opinion of things) but their focus going forward is going to be all the other cool stuff XBox does.
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Eh I prefer it to be primarily a gaming console first and foremost, but it seems to be heading in a different direction than what I would have wanted.
 
nintendors said:
I was thinking ,,,,what if Nintendo announced that WiiU would cost 349.99 $ , I can seriously see Media Bitching/Whining/Meltdowns all across the interwebs,, cuz as far as I can see they wanted it to be launched at the original Wii price !! which is INSANE !! I mean people seemed perfectly fine with the 3DS price at E3 , in fact when people were speculating about the Vita price, everyone seemed to suggest that it would cost way more than 250$, and when Sony said "250$" everybody was jumping with joy about the price and how amazing it is !!! ,,,,now everybody is saying how Vita is overpriced and needs a price cut ASAP,,,WTH ??

what I'm trying to say is, if Nintendo deliver the promise of WiiU being worth every single penny (whether its 300,350 or 400$) and most people seemed OK with that price, we will be seeing alot of articles saying how expensive it is and how people should avoid it for now (cuz price cut is eminent?) and what Nintendo can really do at that point ?

I really dont wanna be in Nintendo shoe right now :/
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I dont recall gaf liking the 3ds price lol
 
BD1 said:
I said this in another thread, but I often wonder the fate of that IP if RARE had originally made the main characters a Koala Bear instead of a fox? Forcing the Star Fox IP onto that game was a disaster.

Man, I remember my teenage self being so pumped for Dinosaur Planet. It was going to be this epic, sprawling, adventure and then... It wasn't.
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I don't think it was the starfox license that did that game in. Rare struggled to evolve their game design and by the time the gamecube rolled around, Rare was a crusty stale shell of their former self. By that point, all of their adventure games were just 3D collectathons. Nintendo chucked them at the perfect moment, when their market value was still incredibly high but after the magic had faded.

nintendors said:
I was thinking ,,,,what if Nintendo announced that WiiU would cost 349.99 $ , I can seriously see Media Bitching/Whining/Meltdowns all across the interwebs,, cuz as far as I can see they wanted it to be launched at the original Wii price !! which is INSANE !! I mean people seemed perfectly fine with the 3DS price at E3 , in fact when people were speculating about the Vita price, everyone seemed to suggest that it would cost way more than 250$, and when Sony said "250$" everybody was jumping with joy about the price and how amazing it is !!! ,,,,now everybody is saying how Vita is overpriced and needs a price cut ASAP,,,WTH ??

what I'm trying to say is, if Nintendo deliver the promise of WiiU being worth every single penny (whether its 300,350 or 400$) and most people seemed OK with that price, we will be seeing alot of articles saying how expensive it is and how people should avoid it for now (cuz price cut is eminent?) and what Nintendo can really do at that point ?

I really dont wanna be in Nintendo shoe right now :/
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The market expectations for nintendo are ridiculous. There is literally nothing nintendo could put under the hood for a reasonable price that would impress the gaming media. They're all already convinced that Wii U is outdated in the looming shadow of PS4 and XB3.

What nintendo really needs to do is conquer the living room before MS or Apple really get a strong foothold.
 
Linkhero1 said:
Yeah. I think I might just skip the whole first day altogether and actually go to work.


Eh I prefer it to be primarily a gaming console first and foremost, but it seems to be heading in a different direction than what I would have wanted.
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I've decided to work on Monday, deciding to save my vacation time for gaming stuff later in the year. It won't be worth the day off, I think.

And Microsoft being that tone-deaf to its core audience would be quite a shock.
I wonder if gaming media would back MS in their shift to a non-gaming focus, or would they join gamers in complaining; they've been quite, umm.., "charitable" toward Microsoft through these past two generations, I think.
 
guek said:
I don't think it was the starfox license that did that game in. Rare struggled to evolve their game design and by the time the gamecube rolled around, Rare was a crusty stale shell of their former self. By that point, all of their adventure games were just 3D collectathons. Nintendo chucked them at the perfect moment, when their market value was still incredibly high but after the magic had faded.
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Yeah, Dinosaur Planet would have suffered a worse fate without the Star Fox branding on it, sadly. Visually, they were at the top of their game, but their design philosophy was stagnating, and as much as Nintendo got the blame for that back when it was happening, the blame landed directly on Rare in hindsight.
 
guek said:
The market expectations for nintendo are ridiculous. There is literally nothing nintendo could put under the hood for a reasonable price that would impress the gaming media. They're all already convinced that Wii U is outdated in the looming shadow of PS4 and XB3.

What nintendo really needs to do is conquer the living room before MS or Apple really get a strong foothold.
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Damn,,so nintendo DOES need another Wii phenomena :/ ,,,as I said before I REALLY HATE TO BE IN THEIR SHOES RIGHT NOW *sigh*
 
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