Father_Brain
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Man, I really hope that the third-party sizzle reel(s) at E3 emphasizes exclusives and simultaneous multiplatform releases over late ports like Arkham City and Darksiders II. That'd just be embarrassing, otherwise.
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Man, I really hope that the third-party sizzle reel(s) at E3 emphasizes exclusives and simultaneous multiplatform releases over late ports like Arkham City and Darksiders II. That'd just be embarrassing, otherwise.
Shadowlink
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A megaton announcement right here folks! The only other announcement to come close to this would be a Metroid 2D game on Wii U.
I think you have to be kidding yourself. Far more likely to be something like RE6, DmC, or BLOPS2 than either of those two.
I'm more scared of this than any power issue, to be honest.
I just have that fear that once again third-parties will be absent from the console.
WHY HAVE GODDAMN LEVINE PRAISE THE CONCEPT OF THE WII U IF HE WON'T MAKE ANY GAMES FOR IT, DAMN IT!?
Shadowlink
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Remember Kojima praising the Wii?
Well he mentioned they didn't announce it to not hurt PS3/360 sales.
I don't see how holding off the announcement of those three until June will accomplish that.
I think he was referring to a game that has already been released for PS3/360, and they held off the WiiU announcement to not hurt those sales. So by that logic, it'd have to be a game coming out before June 5th.
"because they don't want to make it appear as the definitive home system version and push a lot of potential customers to postpone their purchase from PS360 and wait for the Wii U."
Hot Coldman
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Apophis2036
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I think it might be BLOPs2
Remember shockingalberto said he heard a rumor that treyarch was showing the wii u version to journalists in so cal
Infinite was delayed for a reason.
Yeah, to add a tacked-on multiplayer component nobody will play and will suck anyway.
Christberg
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I 100% agree that this is the worst case scenario. It's why I've been keeping my fingers crossed behind my back for hardware that floats around a modern midrange gaming PC hardware strength wise and a decent software development partnership for the OS. Maybe with Google.
In my opinion this would be the best case scenario:
Nintendo announces a partnership with Google for the OS development. They show an OS and online experience that's better or on par with X360 in every respect. Improvements include day and date digital releases of software, in game video chat, communities and in game Facebook chat/twitter integration.
Nintendo shows hardware that absolutely murders everyone's expectations. Quad core 3.5 Ghz CPU. 2GB of GDDR5. 6X BD ROM. 1.8TFLOP Southern Islands based GPU. Support for built in HDDs. Priced at $350. Launch in September.
Nintendo shows a first party lineup that showcases a new 3D Mario and a new Retro core focused IP for launch. Both show graphics well beyond what PS3 and X360 are capable of.
Nintendo has a bunch of casual games on the show floor. The sensor bar and camera in the controller both sport Kinect like functionality. These titles are making excellent use of the new features.
Nintendo caps the conference off with a ridiculous sizzle reel that has several third party exclusives, virtually every announced multi platform game and every single one with improved graphics from current consoles.
...it's really nice to dream, isn't it? There's no way in heck this actually happens but if it did, holy crap.
Gamer @ Heart
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Could just be Coop. Or because GTAV is actually releasing this year and T2 doesnt need it this fiscal year.!
It's weird because most teens in the Western world wouldn't relate to what you've described at all and it's probably one of the reasons why JRPGs have lost some of their appeal lately. Most of us had our first real kisses around 10-12 years old, lusted after 18-25 year olds and were in a proper relationship by 15-16. We might've had some confidence issues at that age but overall we were loud, cocky and obnoxious dipshits. Some of us were already immersed in drug and rave culture.
I don't have a problem with young protagonists as long as they're someone that my younger self can relate to.
IF those assumptions on WiiU and PS4 were correct (480 Gflop vs 2tflop) then it would be different to the current situation with Wii vs PS360 in two very important ways.
First of all that's nowhere near the same power difference we've seen this gen. Wii's GPU is 12Gflops, XBox 360's GPU is 240Gflops. So you're talking about PS4 maybe being 4 times as powerful as WiiU, while XBox 360 was 20 times as powerful as Wii.
Secondly, and even more importantly is the feature set. Which in the end is the most important aspect for third party support (even Iphone got some engines Wii didn't despite being less powerful, simply because its GPU had a more modern feature set). Wii used a DX7 level feature set, XBox 360 used DX9, two generations ahead and more importantly fixed function vs fully programmable. WiiU will use something around a DX11 level feature set, while PS4 will at best use something slightly newer, but both will be fully programmable.
In short, its a completely different situation.
Dreamwriter
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Nintendo did this with the 3DS, its GPU is entirely fixed function, but it can do the kind of graphics usually only seen with programmable pixel shaders.
walking fiend
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I am pretty sure there isn't going to be any 3rd party Wii U exclusive beside what already announced (which I guess amount to 0)
There's just no way to have a major exclusive and no leaks whatsoever
Game Freak != Nintendo
Dreamwriter
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What makes you think that?
TheGreatMightyPoo
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Iwata: ~laughs~
-Pyromaniac-
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yeah but nintendo owns the IP don't they, they can do whatever they want with it.
and the hd jump is now gone.
Exterminieren
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Have we seen this? http://wiiudaily.com/2012/05/wii-u-concept-art-leaks-in-new-survey/
Hints at 2 UPad support and $299 price point.
This is the same source we got the Goldeneye Wii leak from.
Not really. Game Freak own a third of the Pokémon Company, who deal with the franchise.
If Game Freak don't like how the franchise is handled, they can easily take action. Game Freak walking is not a risk Nintendo wants to make at all.
When a series reliably sells 15m for every 3 out of 4 years, you do not mess with the formula.
Hints at 2 UPad support and $299 price point.
This is the same source we got the Goldeneye Wii leak from.
Not really. Game Freak own a third of the Pokémon Company, who deal with the franchise.
If Game Freak don't like how the franchise is handled, they can easily take action. Game Freak walking is not a risk Nintendo wants to make at all.
When a series reliably sells 15m for every 3 out of 4 years, you do not mess with the formula.
walking fiend
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beside the fact that there would be leaks, if there was going to be exclusives, I would have expected their previous reel to be at least mostly made of simultaneous releases, not only old releases.
Also, there aren't many 3rd party studios making exclusives anyway [for any system]
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currently, I can only think of two semi exclusives: DQX and maybe FFXIV [let's be honest, even if it lands on PS3, no one is going to keep their PS3 around just to play it]
TheGreatMightyPoo
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Vectorman's avatar on this page will answer your question.
Killer Freaks is exclusive isn't it? Also isn't Ghost Recon Online console exclusive to WiiU?
TheGreatMightyPoo
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We haven't even seen Darksiders 2 Wii U nor Batman nor heard anything about any Nintendo game besides Pikmin 2 and the Mario game.
Practically nothing is leaking because developers don't want chinese stars in the back of their heads from 100 yards away while they are sleeping.
TheGreatMightyPoo
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Yup.
-Pyromaniac-
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I have a hard time believing there'd be this much hosility over a game on the console. Game Freak can continue to make the mainline games on the handhelds, hire a different team whose only purpose is to make it into some sort of a console game.
Either way, I don't care who is to blame for that avenue not being explored. How is this, _________ sucks.
walking fiend
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yes, but I mean games that someone really cares about. Killer Freaks looked like a 'very' generic shooter, with graphics substandard even by current gen tech
Consoles, for example, will be getting Ghost Recon Future Soldier
I suspect even if they wanted, they couldn't keep the lead on a major 3rd party exclusive. We have heard from all these games one way or another; actual footage leakage is something totally different.
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hell, I would be happy even if multiplats somehow put the tablet into rather non-idiotic use; even higher texture resolution would be welcome
They a third of it directly and another third by proxy (Creature Inc. owns a third, and Nintendo owns Creatures Inc.), while GF owns the other third. However, Nintendo has zero ownership over GF, so if GF doesn't want to do it they'd have to find someone else, who knows if they could find someone to do it as well as GF? And GF would have some power in the decision.
ColdBlooder
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I actually wanted to post my opinion on the whole GPU talk but guys... 23 days... Then we know... I won't speculate anymore. I will lurk here, finally start my Mario Galaxy revisit tomorrow/tuesday (Depends if i find the time tomorrow) and see the rest of the days melt away. If i am done with Galaxy 1 then theres still Galaxy 2 and Sunshine. So i am quite busy for 23 days.
BTW i don't intend to 100% those games, just to see the credits roll. This generation focused way too much on "You gotta get all archivements to get your e-pen*s rating up!!!!" I never been that kind of a player. Its all about having fun and when theres like stuff that i have to do in the game thats not fun anymore, than i stop playing it. Screw gamerscores! They should be gone.
BTW i don't intend to 100% those games, just to see the credits roll. This generation focused way too much on "You gotta get all archivements to get your e-pen*s rating up!!!!" I never been that kind of a player. Its all about having fun and when theres like stuff that i have to do in the game thats not fun anymore, than i stop playing it. Screw gamerscores! They should be gone.
-Pyromaniac-
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OMGZZZ GET RETRO 2 DO IT AFTER THEY'RE DONE MAKING THE ZELDAS
Apophis2036
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Wii was only 12 gigaFLOPs ... LOL, oh my god im starting to really get excited thinking about what Nintendo could do with even 360 like hardware !!!.
Cheers for clearing that up mate
.TheGreatMightyPoo
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The game was shown ages ago and probably thrown together in 5 minutes to be able to show anything.
The modes they are using with the controller don't seem generic at all to me.
I wouldn't pass judgement on that game until the actual game is shown in around 3 weeks.
Exterminieren
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They did that with Colosseum and XD last gen.
They obviously weren't big enough successes to make them the status quo, particularly when they see Diamond and Pearl come out a few years later and sell 17 million.
-Pyromaniac-
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real talk though, an actual pokemon title on console with all the features of hand held ones and more.....it would be beyond a system seller. Won't sell as much as handheld versions of course since more people have handhelds and they're cheaper. But it would make mad moneyz.
Dreamwriter
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Why would there be leaks? There aren't hardly any leaks regarding non-exclusive third party games, and a company working on an exlusive game will be quite a bit more locked in secrecy. And not all games shown in the reel are "old releases", Darksiders II for one isn't due out until August. And what about Killer Freaks from Outet Space? Not to mention that reel was only meant to show what kind of games to expect, it wasn't meant as a "sizzle reel" or anything.
walking fiend
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even if the game turns out good, in terms of overall effect, it won't do much for Nintendo.
I mean, even already established games and studios find it hard to sell their fps games.
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What I can hope at most, is rather peculiar multiplats. That is, for example a traditionally PC MMO to be ported to Wii U; something alone those lines.
Theres like 20 different developers who have developed Pokemon games. Nintendo's internal teams have developed some of them, and even the GameFreak ones often have Nintendo staff co-developing certain portions.
Ok, but for all we know Killer Freaks could be shaping up very well by now and while there is another Ghost Recon game out for other consoles its still worth showing something that distinguishes your system from another. I agree there aren't enough third party exclusives we know of now to make a whole reel for so I'm not trying to say your overall point is wrong (though I do expect games we haven't heard or yet to be shown for WiiU at E3). Just think we should keep it accurate, we know of 2 WiiU third party exclusives right now.
GF is the only one that has developed a main series one.
walking fiend
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of course it won't matter if you have a bunch of low caliber exclusives; just look at vita: lots of exclusives no one cares about.
There are many stops between an exclusive GTA and Killer Freaks
Ghost recon is also on PC, and it's F2P on PC (while paid on the Wii U); and KF may end up being a good game, but 80+ reviewed games have failed to reach a million on the currently established market of HD consoles, so I don't see KF being of importance to Wii U in an important way (of course, unless it has 'dramatically' improved from what they showed)
What I mean, is that most probably there aren't going to be any exclusives from a game series traditionally a million seller.
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let's just keep our wishes in check with reality; I remember last year there were even mentions of GTA 5 being exclusive for Wii U or something like that..,
Dreamwriter
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What? You are actually saying that FPS games don't sell well?! What gaming industry do YOU exist in? Battlefield 3 alone sold over 10 million copies!
Father_Brain
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Now that I can agree with. But there definitely are going to be some as-yet-unannounced third-party exclusives shown; whether they're the sort of games GAF will care about is much less certain.
walking fiend
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ha, what?!!
I am saying shooter genre is probably the most competitive ATM and KF won't stand out
But unless I'm mistaken.. Feb.. is still the same fiscal year, no?
So would have to push it to April or beyond
I would also throw LEGO City Stories to that list. Though guess cross-platform on the 3DS
Fourth Storm
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They've heard some things from an insider on Beyond3d - the public posts of which I've also read. It does seem strange and obscure, but this is the same Nintendo which chose exclusively fixed function pixel shaders for 3DS (not counting the vertex shaders). Iwata, Miyamoto, and Takeda have given their reasons for pursuing this route in an investor q&a. Basically, they want predictable performance. A specific example given was on N64, they would add lighting into a game engine after putting a bunch of work in, and the framerate would take a massive dump. They'd rather not deal w/ the hassle of choosing between good lighting or a playable game. Apparently, the capabilities of the NES were more clear from the specs, and this old-school mentality never died w/ them.
Where this unit would fit in a modern graphics pipeline, I can only guess. My current hypothesis would be somewhere around the geometry and tesselation units if it deals primarily w/ lighting. Gamecube's ancient T&L unit supported custom API calls for lighting and bump mapping. A modern unit which handled some of the necessary calculations for say, radiosity and normal maps, is something which might fit the bill. Or it could be something more like the 3DS' Maestro, which I have an even lesser understanding of.
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