He's not the only one who's been having problems beacuse of bad air, but his allergies are bad. He has to flee the country during the height of the pollen season
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The XXII Sochi Winter Olympic Games / Ski And Skate Against Hate
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He's not the only one who's been having problems beacuse of bad air, but his allergies are bad. He has to flee the country during the height of the pollen season
And just like that NBC starts ranking countries by total medals instead of the official IOC method.
Lone_Prodigy
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On the radio, the colour commentator said "she's getting a shelling".
The play by play guy: "I can't believe you said that."
Lol, every country ranks by whatever tally is more advantageous to them. I remember when I lived in Russia, if they were up on golds, they would go by that, if they fell behind but were up by totals, they would change to that..
I don't get why they don't show the score each judge gave in ice dance. They show that in every other judging sport. If the American and Russian judges were much higher than everyone else, then maybe something is up but can't say otherwise if we don't have the numbers. I have no knowledge of ice dance judging so maybe I'm way off.
IcyBlueStrawberry
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Even if the short dance was even, I feel like the Americans were better today.
It is figure skating, so it's not as if there hasn't been rigging in the past, but the USA deserved to win gold after how they skated.
Americans and Russians hate each other, as they are polar opposites. We would never work together as the US is fire and the Russians are ice.
IcyBlueStrawberry
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But if America is fire and Russia is ice, then Canada is water. And water is bad news for both fire and ice.
Conspiracy confirmed.
I always though of Canada as America's nervous sidekick. You are the wood theat fire burns. A real team player you guys can be.
Lone_Prodigy
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It's hard to say whether it was rigged. Both teams did really well but their styles are different.
The Americans won the previous world championships so it's not like they came out of nowhere.
That said, I kind of wish we still had the old scoring system; while the new one is supposed to be less prone to corruption, it just makes it harder to understand for the common fan.
The Americans won the previous world championships so it's not like they came out of nowhere.
That said, I kind of wish we still had the old scoring system; while the new one is supposed to be less prone to corruption, it just makes it harder to understand for the common fan.
They always rank it by overall medals in the US.
Yeah lol I was scratching my head over this as well, since when is it about total medal count? So you won the most Bronze good for you.
True in the past, but the NBC website was following the official IOC method this Olympics. At least they were the last time I checked which was a few days back. It was even discussed in this thread. So some time in the last couple of days they switched back to total medal count.
True, but how many silver medals does it take to equal one gold? It's like asking how many Super Bowl final loses equals one Super Bowl win! I still like Gold = 10 pts, Silver = 3 pts, and Bronze = 1 pt if such a system was implemented.
No one does it because there's no logical way of determining how many points should go to each medal. Is a gold worth two silver medals? Three silver medals? Are 3 bronzes worth a gold medal?
Gold medals and total medals are straightforward metrics. You can't disagree with a ranking of gold medal or total medal count.
EDIT: Beaten by above post.
Arjen
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Tell me about it, i live in an apartment on the second floor. Real bitch climbing those stairs everyday.
I lived in rotterdam for almost a year back in the early 90s and people were exstatic that winter because it was cold enough to freeze the canals. Didn't seem like it happened that often anymore.
The report said that the Americans and Russians were conspiring to ensure the Americans would win the dance event, and that the Russians would win the team. Both ended up happening, and Canada finished with silver in both.
Fotheringay
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This is why I can't be bothered to care about judged sports. Too much room for bullshit.
You know that every sport has a judge/ref?
I think he means ones where judges award points, like skating, rather than one where the official is there to make sure the rules are adhered to, but not to affect outcomes, like hockey.
It's a pretty good rant.. but before the French paper revealed anything, both of those outcomes were predicted by many (Russian team skating/USA Dance). They were already the odds-on favorites. That said, his evidence was pretty good in quoting the creator of some of the moves the dancers utilize.
I most agree with him about Baseball though.
I most agree with him about Baseball though.
I see. But even in those sports, there's always bullshit calls that refs can also make, even if it's a group of them
It's just the way things are - you can't be 100% sure unless a machine does the job. For example, in Curling, they used to have a person look to see if you let go of the rock before the line. Now, it's just a sensor that does it for you, eliminating any errors.
I thought it was funny how US publications started ranking by total medals, I guess that worked out.
Gozer the Gozerian
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The olympics is that wonderful time where for two weeks everyone is suddenly an expert on a sport they watch once every four years
IcyBlueStrawberry
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I don't understand why this is such a big deal.
I watched both teams skate and it looked like the Americans were better. It was, at best, too close to call.
speculawyer
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I still question whether ice dancing should be in the olympics. Figure skating seems kinda of iffy as is but I'll allow it. But to make it less athletic and more artsy with ice dancing . . . meh, that's not sport.
I find it a bit odd that the International Skating Union's fix for corrupt judging is to make the scoring anonymous. By going with "secret judging", they're just hiding the results so they can't be questioned.
I also find it a bit odd that the IOC actually allows this in the olympics. The judges do not have to reveal their score? What other sport does this? I suppose the reason is that figure skating is a high ratings, prime time cash cow for the IOC so they let the Skating Union do whatever the hell they want.
All the easier to have a little wink and a nod judging.
I also find it a bit odd that the IOC actually allows this in the olympics. The judges do not have to reveal their score? What other sport does this? I suppose the reason is that figure skating is a high ratings, prime time cash cow for the IOC so they let the Skating Union do whatever the hell they want.
All the easier to have a little wink and a nod judging.
It really is the worst, if not the worst, of the Olympic sports. Sid Seixeiro, the guy in the youtube vid is right about one thing, baseball and golf are not olympic sports but this crap is? Figure skating is better in that a casual observer can see the mistakes as landing jumps is difficult. Ice dancing practically all looks the same. The IOC was going to even get rid of wrestling and they keep this shit here.
EDIT: And before you say I am a bitter Canadian, I don't give two shits about our dancers as I think the sport is a joke already. Didn't care about their gold in Vancouver and I don't really care about them now. I just think that a sport like this should not be in the games as it cheapens everything else.
I don't think the issue so much is who was better, it's that they were awarded a world record and 3 extra points for ???
NBC said the Americans routine was technically more difficult so they had a higher ceiling for points. No idea if that is actually true or not since I don't know shit about ice dancing
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