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The XXII Sochi Winter Olympic Games / Ski And Skate Against Hate

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zroid

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Piecake said:
NBC said the Americans routine was technically more difficult so they had a higher ceiling for points. No idea if that is actually true or not since I don't know shit about ice dancing
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I think it's true. That's why Davis/White are undefeated on the World Cup circuit for so long; their technical difficulty is so high and they don't make mistakes.
 
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Parch

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When the creator of the Finnstep moves in ice dancing is questioning the scoring in the short program, it make you go hmmm.
 
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cthoaa

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There are nine judges scoring. The highest and lowest scores are thrown out. Two more scores are randomly discarded. A two-member alliance wouldn't be effective.

Looking at the judges' scores, I'd guess there were two judges who saw V/M as better, six for D/W, and one a draw.
 
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Bigfoot

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It's ice dancing guys. It's barely even a sport and even more of a joke with the usual conspiracies. Not even worth arguing about unless you want to discuss who is hotter (
the Canadian chick
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zroid

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Porthos said:
It's ice dancing guys. It's barely even a sport and even more of a joke with the usual conspiracies. Not even worth arguing about unless you want to discuss who is hotter (
the Canadian chick
).
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Well, that's not much of a discussion :p

Actually the other Canadian, Kaitlyn Weaver, is pretty cute too
apparently she was born and raised in the USA though, but moved here a few years ago to compete with her Canadian partner for Canada
 
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Mattilaus

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cthoaa said:
There are nine judges scoring. The highest and lowest scores are thrown out. Two more scores are randomly discarded. A two-member alliance wouldn't be effective.

Looking at the judges' scores, I'd guess there were two judges who saw V/M as better, six for D/W, and one a draw.
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Theoretically it could be. If both Russia and USA gave high scores to the USA routine then only one of them would be thrown out as the highest with the other having a good chance of not being thrown out (as one of the randoms). Not saying it was fixed, I don't believe it was, just saying theoretically having two judges both pumping up one performance would work unless you were unlucky when it comes to the random score being dropped.

actually just noticed on the spread sheet that the third column judge for the Canadian score judged way lower scores than anyone else. That kinda does raise some eyebrows about whether these people all agree on how skaters should be judged.
 
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Parch

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Now that Germany has 8 gold, which countries have enough legit chances at gold to catch and pass them?

There's enough cross country and biathlon events left for Norway to catch them.
Dutch have 4 more speed skating events to dominate.
If Canada wins all the curling and hockey events, the best they'll do is tie the Germans for gold totals.
 
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zroid

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Parch said:
Now that Germany has 8 gold, which countries have enough legit chances at gold to catch and pass them?

There's enough cross country and biathlon events left for Norway to catch them.
Dutch have 4 more speed skating events to dominate.
If Canada wins all the curling and hockey events, the best they'll do is tie the Germans for gold totals.
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Charles Hamelin on the 500m! BELIEVE
 
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cthoaa

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Mattilaus said:
Theoretically it could be. If both Russia and USA gave high scores to the USA routine then only one of them would be thrown out as the highest with the other having a good chance of not being thrown out (as one of the randoms). Not saying it was fixed, I don't believe it was, just saying theoretically having two judges both pumping up one performance would work unless you were unlucky when it comes to the random score being dropped.
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Oh, you're right. And the other way, too, with lower votes for V/M.

Changed my mind: conspiracy confirmed :) j/k
 
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Pedrito

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Parch said:
Now that Germany has 8 gold, which countries have enough legit chances at gold to catch and pass them?

There's enough cross country and biathlon events left for Norway to catch them.
Dutch have 4 more speed skating events to dominate.
If Canada wins all the curling and hockey events, the best they'll do is tie the Germans for gold totals.
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Norway, Russia, USA or Switzerland.
 
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ConsumerSquare

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I don't know, this ice dancing looks way more athletic than something like curling or bobsledding. Or skeleton and luge. Definitely more athletic than fucking golf.
 
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Zeeman

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Zeer0id said:
I'm not sure if we have any more gold favourites outside of Hamelin. Medal hopefuls, sure.
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Women's bobsled is definitely a favourite. Sports Illustrated also picked Canadians to win gold in both ski cross events, although I have no idea how they came up with their picks.
 
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Madness

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Pretty crazy how nationalities come into play and yet people brush aside, that the coach for both the Canadian and American teams is a Russian/Soviet skater herself with Canadian citizenship, and a son who competes for Canada/Russia, but they all live and train in Michigan.

That's just the nature of modern Olympics and the globalization of sport. Chinese athletes with German coaches, Canadian athletes with American coaches, American athletes with Russian coaches etc.
 
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lenovox1

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Porthos said:
It's ice dancing guys. It's barely even a sport and even more of a joke with the usual conspiracies. Not even worth arguing about unless you want to discuss who is hotter (
the Canadian chick
).
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If you don't think of dancing as an activity worthy of being a sport, you've never seen dancing before. I feel bad for you.

The are standards and there are expectations in the world of partner dance and the world of ice dance. There are standards in the quality and the difficulty of the moving sequences and footwork (that the lay person won't see), there's a difficulty and a standard in the synchronization of the spins (swizzles), there's a difficulty and a standard of sheer quality of the movement, from extension to how the blades carve the ice.

There's a clear, measurable standard. Merely because you aren't trained to see it doesn't mean it's not there.
 
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Onion_Relish

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Madness said:
Pretty crazy how nationalities come into play and yet people brush aside, that the coach for both the Canadian and American teams is a Russian/Soviet skater herself with Canadian citizenship, and a son who competes for Canada/Russia, but they all live and train in Michigan.

That's just the nature of modern Olympics and the globalization of sport. Chinese athletes with German coaches, Canadian athletes with American coaches, American athletes with Russian coaches etc.
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And then of course there are countries that straight up buy/bribe olympians to get nationality there, or people who can't cut it in their home country so they use their double citizenship to go where they will actually be allowed to participate in the olympics.

The russians pretty much straight up bought victor an (which worked well for them) and there was some ukrainian chick who did figure skating for UKR when she has been in Canada since she was 6
 
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RadarScope1

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Found myself really enjoying the ice dancing the last couple of nights. It's not really sport - more like an athletic competition, to play some semantics. Anything that's based solely on judging is not sport. IMO.

Still really impressive to watch. Looks difficult as hell. I can respect that!
 
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Madness

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Onion_Relish said:
And then of course there are countries that straight up buy/bribe olympians to get nationality there, or people who can't cut it in their home country so they use their double citizenship to go where they will actually be allowed to participate in the olympics.

The russians pretty much straight up bought victor an (which worked well for them) and there was some ukrainian chick who did figure skating for UKR when she has been in Canada since she was 6
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Does anyone remember Tanith Belbin? The US government/Congress passed a special resolution just so she could get citizenship in time to compete for the US in Torino in 2006.

I think the collapse of communism/dissolution of the Soviet Union really changed it up. All of a sudden you had tons of athletes, coaches, officials move elsewhere. Take their knowledge and talent to another country ie. Romanian gymnastics coaches, Soviet/Russian skating and gymnastics coaches etc. West Germany really benefited from its reunion with the East Germans and all the talent and knowledge they brought to their unified German teams.
 
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Lone_Prodigy

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Onion_Relish said:
And then of course there are countries that straight up buy/bribe olympians to get nationality there, or people who can't cut it in their home country so they use their double citizenship to go where they will actually be allowed to participate in the olympics.

The russians pretty much straight up bought victor an (which worked well for them) and there was some ukrainian chick who did figure skating for UKR when she has been in Canada since she was 6
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What about the Japanese guy who won bronze in men's figure skating? He's from Kazakhstan.
 
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Kak.efes

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Building a world class golf course for two week use is untenable from a financial standpoint, even for the olympics. That's why it'll never be an olympic event. That and nobody wants to watch golf during the olympics.
 
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Smiley90

Stop shitting on my team. Start shitting on my finger.
The time differences in this GS are ridiculous. Standings are gonna be all over the place between the first and the second run if the weather holds.
 
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Megasoum

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Hah just saw that

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NeoZylom

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Zeer0id said:
I'm not sure if we have any more gold favourites outside of Hamelin. Medal hopefuls, sure.
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Humphries and Moyse
Charles Hamelin 500m
Long Track Pursuit team?
Ski Cross (F) with Serwa?
Ski Half-Pipe with Mike Riddle
Ski Half-Pipe with Rosaling Groenewoud
Curling (2)
Hockey (2)
 
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Smiley90

Stop shitting on my team. Start shitting on my finger.
Olyunin has been BRUTALLY dominating every. single. run.

If someone takes him out/he doesn't win, Putin is ordering a kill squad.
 
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questionmark

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Great fucking semi final by Sivertzen (aside from the start, but he always sucks at the start). With all the favorites out, the podium is there for the picking.
 
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