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The XXII Sochi Winter Olympic Games / Ski And Skate Against Hate

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Yea thats why i just cant take figure skating seriously. Its scoring is to subjective. One person can get gold because these particular judges judged whereas if there were another set of judges someone else could get gold. Its not really fair to the competitors. They shouldnt even give out medals. Just have the little kid from the miami heat game yell "Good job! Good effort!" After each performance
 

LNBL

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Americans were expected to win several medals in speedskating, they didn't win a single one.

You would also expect a team up 2-0 with 4 minutes to go to win easily.

That's not just other athletes doing better in those situations, it's also our athletes failing to perform when it matters most. Call it choking or whatever but they didn't just miss out on what was expected of them, they didn't even come close.

Yeah, you are kind of downplaying the performances of the opposition. That's just nonsense.
 

Senoculum

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Yay Canada! I wonder how they're conversation went.
 
Yea thats why i just cant take figure skating seriously. Its scoring is to subjective. One person can get gold because these particular judges judged whereas if there were another set of judges someone else could get gold. Its not really fair to the competitors. They shouldnt even give out medals. Just have the little kid from the miami heat game yell "Good job! Good effort!" After each performance

Uh, no? Figure skating judging is pretty technical, actually.
 

Mattilaus

Neo Member
The Americans would have been up 3-1 at the time then no? How does that make even a lick of sense?

okay lets break this down:

Game is 2-1

If American gets one more goal it's the nail in the coffin
Linesman interfere's with Canadian player allowing american player to shoot for the empty net

If that goes in, Linesman is the MVP for the american team. Seems pretty straight forward.
 

firehawk12

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When all is said and done though, America really should have won that hockey game. It's just that third period implosion that got them.
 
I wonder if computers could replace the judges in figure skating. They could give accurate real-time scoring. Imaging seeing "COMBO x3" on the screen after 3 triple jumps or something...
 

zroid

Banned
In other sports, a score is a score. Its usually definitive with rare situations where it needs to be debated. But it is no where near definitive in figure skating ever. Thus the contoraversy...

The problem is transparency. The judges have pretty strict guidelines on how to grade performance (with a little wiggle room for "intangibles", but not that much). But we don't know what they're actually doing behind the scenes; we just see two numbers.
 
except you can bribe a judge to get a better score. You can't exactly bribe a stopwatch.

You'd have to bribe a lot of people though since the system throws out half the judges' input at random.

Perhaps you dont understand what i am saying. Or you are right and figure skating isnt subjective at all thus why there is never contraversy and people never scream BS or say that its fixed or people got robbed based on... The score

Oh wait....

Plenty of people complain about things they don't understand. Your point?
 
I think this is one of the instances where veteran savvy beat youthful skill. Some of the Canadians were playing in their 5th Olympics, and some were critical of their hanging around on too long while a younger American team kept beating them at the world championships. But maybe a bit of that inexperience came into play as the game wore on with the US up 2-0.

Canadian coach must be so happy. Gets fired from his NHL job and wins a gold medal a few months later.
 

Madness

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Pretty crazy how some are saying the Americans are the better team. The Canadian women beat them twice this tournament. Clearly they were the better team. You can say sure the Americans let the lead go, but what does that really mean?

It's like in MMA or Boxing, when the guy winning the rounds or the match is suddenly knocked out, people will say it was a lucky punch, the other guy was winning etc. But it's the end result that only matters.

Besides, I don't know why we have so much trolling going on here? We're here to cheer our athletes and revel in the joy of sports. Some lighthearted jabs are good every now and then, but at the end of the day, does any of this really change our lives?
 
I don't know anyone who actually understands figure skating that is questioning the results.

I remember a comment made by an "expert" on the short program stating "yuna should have scored higher but it seems the judges are trying to keep this close" ... If it wasnt so subjective then this wouldnt be the case. Secondly I didnt realize you knew everyone who knows and understands figure skating. Quite a feat
 
Lol really? Go to any skating forum

And that is different from this forum how?

Seriously - it's already been stated Yuna's program had 4 points fewer base value, and the final difference was barely more than that. It came down almost purely to the difficulty of the programs they executed, and Yuna's program was simpler. I'd like to think the system that was designed from the ground up to be objective and has stood for more than eight years now without significant alterations means it's worth at least the benefit of a doubt.

I remember a comment made by an "expert" on the short program stating "yuna should have scored higher but it seems the judges are trying to keep this close" ... If it wasnt so subjective then this wouldnt be the case. Secondly I didnt realize you knew everyone who knows and understands figure skating. Quite a feat

Maybe you should also learn to comprehend what I'm actually saying.
 
And that is different from this forum how?

Seriously - it's already been stated Yuna's program had 4 points fewer base value, and the final difference was barely more than that. It came down almost purely to the difficulty of the programs they executed, and Yuna's program was simpler. I'd like to think the system that was designed from the ground up to be objective and has stood for more than eight years now without significant alterations means it's worth at least the benefit of a doubt.

Tell me more of this utopia where nothing is subjective and all is fair and justified. I want to live there too
 

Peru

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And that is different from this forum how?

Seriously - it's already been stated Yuna's program had 4 points fewer base value, and the final difference was barely more than that. It came down almost purely to the difficulty of the programs they executed, and Yuna's program was simpler. I'd like to think the system that was designed from the ground up to be objective and has stood for more than eight years now without significant alterations means it's worth at least the benefit of a doubt.

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Because people on those forums who obsess and geek over ever detail of figure skating scoring react to it?

And experts, commentators, former judges too?

It seems to me you don't know what you're talking about, picked up something someone said and now repeat it as if it's indisputable fact when the vast majority of expert observes thought the scores were off.
 
Because people on those forums who obsess and geek over ever detail of figure skating scoring react to it?

And experts, commentators, former judges too?

It seems to me you don't know what you're talking about, picked up something someone said and now repeat it as if it's indisputable fact when the vast majority of expert observes thought the scores were off.

Obviously he knows more than commentators who were former skaters.
Its why hes here on gaf, and not at the olympics
 
Because people on those forums who obsess and geek over ever detail of figure skating scoring react to it?

And experts, commentators, former judges too?

It seems to me you don't know what you're talking about, picked up something someone said and now repeat it as if it's indisputable fact when the vast majority of expert observes thought the scores were off.

Quote me where I said what you think I said.
 

Peru

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You've repeated the same line about difficulty, not at all commented on execution and the relevant scores, and claimed people who disagree don't know what they're talking about when it seems you have total faith in a system that's often c ontroversial, if better than the older one, and in fact often up to debate.
 
You've repeated the same line about difficulty, not at all commented on execution and the relevant scores, and claimed people who disagree don't know what they're talking about when it seems you have total faith in a system that's often c ontroversial, if better than the older one, and in fact often up to debate.

That's not a quote.
 

Kadayi

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You've repeated the same line about difficulty, not at all commented on execution and the relevant scores, and claimed people who disagree don't know what they're talking about when it seems you have total faith in a system that's often controversial, if better than the older one, and in fact often up to debate.

http://www.sochi2014.com/en/figure-skating-ladies-free-skating

The scores are right there in detail in terms of the overall breakdown and points awarded.

The figure skating commentators reaction was immediate. They were surprised and stunned.

Depends on who you were watching I guess. BBC guy initially thought Yuna had pulled it off, then when he watched the replay was less certain that she had done enough because she was behind on base technical.
 

Peru

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Some interesting new information

SOCHI, Russia -- One of the nine judges who picked a young Russian skater over two more refined competitors for the Olympic gold medal Thursday night was suspended for a year for trying to fix an event at the 1998 Winter Olympics in Nagano.

And another is the wife of the president of the Russian figure skating federation.

Inflated scores for the Russians has been a topic of conversation at these Olympic Games, and the women's figure skating long program Thursday night renewed the debate. Adelina Sotnikova of Russia was the surprising winner of the gold medal, upsetting reigning Olympic gold medalist Yuna Kim of South Korea and Italy's Carolina Kostner.

"It's sad that I just presumed Sotnikova was going to get a boost (in points) because this was in Russia," former U.S. Olympic figure skating coach Audrey Weisiger said in a phone interview. "Isn't it sad that I automatically thought that? Not one person in skating I've talked to said that's the way it should have gone."

"I was surprised with the result," Joseph Inman, a top international judge who was on the women's panel at the 2002 Olympics, said in a telephone interview.

"The (judging) panel made me wish that the United States and Canada had split up into many different countries," said choreographer Lori Nichol, who works with Kostner and fourth-place finisher Gracie Gold of the United States, among others.

Judges from the United States and South Korea, as well as two other Western judges, were not chosen by draw to work the women's long program after being on the women's short program panel the night before. Two of their replacements were Ukrainian Yuri Balkov, who was kicked out of judging for a year after being tape-recorded trying to fix the Nagano ice dancing competition by a Canadian judge, and Alla Shekhovtseva, a Russian judge who is married to the Russian federation's president. Other Eastern Europeans were on the panel as well.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sport...e-skating-women-yuna-kim-gracie-gold/5643143/
 
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