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There are almost 7000 games on Steam, how much is too much?
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lashman
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Throwaway123456789
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While it's highly off topic, not really.
You're kind of my role model
Barkley's Justice
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Do people ask the same of books? "How much is too much"?
Of music?
Videogamers are weird, yo.
Of music?
Videogamers are weird, yo.
Iced Arcade
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OP is Phil Spencer. Needs help reviving games for windows. lol
Amidst all these less than serious replies is an inconvenient truth, and it's a truth that the creator of Steamspy himself has commented on many times. Due to various shortcomings inherent to the Steam platform, the Steam catalogue may never contain more than 2^13 (8192) titles at any one given time, and so once this number is reached, old titles will need to be permanently removed from Steam in order for new titles to be added.
At the current rate of production, peak Steam will be achieved absolutely no later than 2019, at which time some of the oldest classics on Steam may be in real jeopardy of disappearing. Food for thought for anyone considering PC gaming.
At the current rate of production, peak Steam will be achieved absolutely no later than 2019, at which time some of the oldest classics on Steam may be in real jeopardy of disappearing. Food for thought for anyone considering PC gaming.
I don't think that's something that we should just take for granted.
We can try to make things better instead of just saying "Well that's just how it is everywhere else, no use changing it".
The_Super_Inframan
"the journey to a thousand games ends with bad rats. ~Lao Tzu" ~Gabe Newell
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Who would complain I someone told you they'll put every single movie on Netflix?
radios shipping overview
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Discovery via the interface is bad in just about every media or software store I've experienced. Recommendations are usually overspecific and bad at surfacing things you might not have thought to look for (but would also enjoy). I don't know how to fix this. Culling titles is not the answer.
EricTheCleric
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Steam should not be responsible for marketing games for everyone, the developers and publishers are responsible. They should use whatever channels they can. If they are good they do not need the front page. Relying on appearing on the front page for sales is incompetent.
that means I own around 15% of all games on Steam....
Surely there must be more games.
surely...
Steam should only be responsible for the interface, which could be improved. Come one people, do you really want the storefront manager of any shop, digital or physical, to tell you what to buy? That is like going to a gas station and buying whatever DVD or CD that they sell.
There are loads and loads and loads of different sources to go for what game will be good for you. There are friends, podcasts, forums, youtubers, twitter even and game sites (you know those sites that spawned from magazines recommending and reviewing games?). If you want to discover something new, go to those sources and not to Steam.
Rock, paper shotgun is a great site for discovering new and "alternative" games.
that means I own around 15% of all games on Steam....
Surely there must be more games.
surely...
Steam should only be responsible for the interface, which could be improved. Come one people, do you really want the storefront manager of any shop, digital or physical, to tell you what to buy? That is like going to a gas station and buying whatever DVD or CD that they sell.
There are loads and loads and loads of different sources to go for what game will be good for you. There are friends, podcasts, forums, youtubers, twitter even and game sites (you know those sites that spawned from magazines recommending and reviewing games?). If you want to discover something new, go to those sources and not to Steam.
Rock, paper shotgun is a great site for discovering new and "alternative" games.
texhnolyze
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yeah... same.
I didn't think I owned double digits in percent of released games on steam >.>
I still have like 100 more to add from my bundles as well... if not more :/
Methamatics101
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That means plenty of shitty game and more Squirty Plays from Jim Sterling. I'm okay with that.
Self_Destructive
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I think there's a lot of work that could be done on the storefront alone to help highlight high quality titles, and diamonds in the rough.
For example, I think it's pretty ridiculous that I have a 34in screen and Steam's store page takes up only a tiny tiny sliver in the center of it.... How about making the store front make better use of all that space and scale the size of icons and advertisements based on popularity and number of clicks? Things could also be color coded with perhaps a border around the icon which would denote games within a certain price range or even genre such as indie or action or what have you.
It would make browsing the storefront easier since I would be able to visually see more of it at once and have visual feed back of basic info and statistics about it without necessarily having to go into that games' store page specifically. Which we all know can be painful if there's lots of games you know nothing about and want to check out.
I don't think the amount of games would ever be a problem. Just making it less cumbersome and better presented would go a long way in mitigating some of the challenges people have in finding the content they want.
For example, I think it's pretty ridiculous that I have a 34in screen and Steam's store page takes up only a tiny tiny sliver in the center of it.... How about making the store front make better use of all that space and scale the size of icons and advertisements based on popularity and number of clicks? Things could also be color coded with perhaps a border around the icon which would denote games within a certain price range or even genre such as indie or action or what have you.
It would make browsing the storefront easier since I would be able to visually see more of it at once and have visual feed back of basic info and statistics about it without necessarily having to go into that games' store page specifically. Which we all know can be painful if there's lots of games you know nothing about and want to check out.
I don't think the amount of games would ever be a problem. Just making it less cumbersome and better presented would go a long way in mitigating some of the challenges people have in finding the content they want.
bati
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Real stores use a much better convention for tagging the items they sell. If you go to a power tools section you'll likely find some Black&Decker equipment there, not an electric toothbrush.
If I for example browse by tag 'Survival' on Steam store I get games like Far Cry 4 or Mad Max on the list. Neither of those two games matches my definition of a survival game. Tag definitions on Steam are too broad which makes this feature effectively useless in most cases. If I'm looking for a new game in a very specific (niche or not) sub-genre I'm much better off asking on some gaming forum or reddit than trying to find something with Valve's tagging/exploration system.
wasnt it more like 135M?
SentryDown
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Well, Steam is going full AppStore on this topic, it has both advantages & inconvenients. I don't really like it this way, especially when it comes to -truly- broken games which are never checked (like the one with supposed 10 levels which only had one).
CecilRousso
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I thought this was what GAF wanted? When Valve did moderate content, everyone were angry at them for doing so. Every developer who had difficulties getting on Steam, and/or had a game plainly rejected, got sympathy from people everytime it was mentioned in a thread, and people were asking who Valve thought they were, not letting Game X on Steam.
Possumowner
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More games..that's all I need, lots more.So I can put them in my infinitely growing backlog,to never play them,but discuss them on gaff
OP hasn't made an argument as to where the games "lost in the clutter" would be better off. Such a place doesn't exist. Steam is fantastic.
It's better to let most everything through, although some of the high profile scammy games have highlighted the need for some curation.
Q
Queen of Hunting
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I had going to a film store they sell so many films do you think they should make a section that has poor rated films to help me find better ones
theusedversion
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It's not like anyone is trying buy them all.... oh, wait....
7000 games is a really low number for pc imo, it's not like a console that lives for 5-10 years so the number is limited, pc is decades old, it should have way more games on the steam catalog.
Think about it, you want a game of a certain genre, genres are more than 7 right? Let's say they are 7 though, this means that you can choose between 1000 games, if you cut the bad ones, the one you don't want because they are too old or don't run on your computer, the ones you don't like, the ones you have already played and others for whatever reason you'll remain with few games.
In any case you should be happy to have more choice, how much competition, visibility etc a game has is its developer's problem not yours.
Think about it, you want a game of a certain genre, genres are more than 7 right? Let's say they are 7 though, this means that you can choose between 1000 games, if you cut the bad ones, the one you don't want because they are too old or don't run on your computer, the ones you don't like, the ones you have already played and others for whatever reason you'll remain with few games.
In any case you should be happy to have more choice, how much competition, visibility etc a game has is its developer's problem not yours.
GrantDaNasty
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I generally don't agree with the notion that Steam needs more curation. Give people the ability to sell their wares, and let the consumers decide.
I know there are quite a few cases of questionable content on the marketplace, but I think the refund policy is a step towards making that process more secure for the consumer.
I know there are quite a few cases of questionable content on the marketplace, but I think the refund policy is a step towards making that process more secure for the consumer.
protomouse
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7000 is a respectable subset of what the PC platform has to offer. No other storefront comes close AFAIK.
Absolutely incorrect. PS2 had just barely over half as many releases (~3800). This figure includes different localizations also, according to Wikipedia, so the total number of unique games should be less than that.
Absolutely incorrect. PS2 had just barely over half as many releases (~3800). This figure includes different localizations also, according to Wikipedia, so the total number of unique games should be less than that.
No it didn't. This is wildly incorrect .
LiquidMetal14
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Nothing wrong with this. It would be nice if all games were under 1 banner.
Yep. Discovery update is awful and it feels like Valve has no intention of fixing it. I have no clue what is releasing and the main "NOW RELEASED" doesn't list all titles.
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Browsing 7000 games is definitely not compatible with that comfy couch(tm) experience, that's probably why Steam is simulating a better console experience by opting for the comfortable limits of SteamOs(Linux) with their Steam Machines.
120M according to Steamspy guy when he did some blog post awhile back.
There's no such thing as too much, really. Sure most of the games are shit, but then again, go to a bookstore - most of the books there are shit too. Ultimately, Steam has never really been a good browsing interface - for me it's just where I go to buy the games. I research them on GAF and other places online.
FS, I read a book last week and now you're telling there are more? Why?
MilkyOctave
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I don't think it's too bad. Least there is something for everyone. I'm only interested in like 2% of titles on Steam.
What it comes to Saint Seiya, I believe the audience it's meant to will know about it. Judging from the forum posts, it seems to have a large South America following.
What it comes to Saint Seiya, I believe the audience it's meant to will know about it. Judging from the forum posts, it seems to have a large South America following.