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Vilix
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But which one is getting all the press and attention?
This Bill O'Reilly talking points memo
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But which one is getting all the press and attention?
Yeah, I'm sure it got equal coverage as the Zimmerman case...
BruiserBear
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You're right, they happen. Do they happen enough? Are they attended by many thousands of people?
No.
TacticalFox88
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Vilix
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Where was this from? Not that I don't believe it. Just like to have a source please.
Big Baybee
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The sources are on the chart.
3 and 5 kind of contradict each other no?
edit: I see 3 just focuses on drugs. So I assume everything like burglary, rape, assault etc. is equal in every other community.
What does this little chart have to do with my post...?
It's about all people not caring, not just black people.
dave is ok
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That chart simplifies and ignores lots of the problems.
TacticalFox88
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You seem to have this idea that we should be focusing on Black people killing black people while ignoring the fact that whites kill each other at the same rate, if not higher! Every white guy in this thread is FAR more likely to be killed by a white dude than a so called black "criminal"
In reality, most crimes involve people who know each other, violent crime is on the decline, enforcement policies disproportionately impact people of color, Black students are punished more harshly than their peers, and most Black youth are not committing any crimes!
Probably. Still love 'em all the same.
Hot Coldman
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I'd watch a show where Bill O'Reilly lives with a black family for a year.
I'm with you on the intracial homicide. That's is definitely true, no doubt.
But it's hard for me to believe that white youth commit crime at an equal rate as black youth. I just don't believe it. I guess it doesn't count because the justice system targets them more?
dave is ok
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I think the the statistics in the chart are misleading, because it's really about disproportionality.
From wiki:
LiquidMetal14
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Only halfway through but I actually agree with about everything he's said. Going to watch the rest.
This really isn't true. You need to look at how many white people make up the US population VS blacks.
mckmas8808
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That video pisses me off so much. So now black leaders haven't been talking about crime in the inner city and people having kids out of wed lock?!
Is O'Reilly crazy?
Is O'Reilly crazy?
LiquidMetal14
hide your water-based mammals
Holy shit, this is the best piece of commentary I've seen from him.
I actually agree with him all the way minus the pregnancy bits.
He is spot on. Can't believe I said that as I often disagree with him.
I actually agree with him all the way minus the pregnancy bits.
He is spot on. Can't believe I said that as I often disagree with him.
EatinOlives
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They have, but the demographic that watches O'Reilly is never going to actually hear a talk from a black leader.
The problem with Bill, even though the issues are real, is that he just expects the black community to will themselves out of poverty and crime.
Hey, I'm not into glamorizing thug culture as a way of life and not just entertainment, but take that away and a lot of the problems are still there.
Hey, I'm not into glamorizing thug culture as a way of life and not just entertainment, but take that away and a lot of the problems are still there.
LiquidMetal14
hide your water-based mammals
It's a sensitive subject but the points he makes are very sound. Extremely profound and I never agree with the guy. And it's not just a black thing but for the piece he did on black people, it's sharply accurate in this modern day.
I wish it was different in the US but times have changed even from the 80's and 90's.
The youth is more disrespectful and rambunctious than ever.
GuitarAtomik
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This made me laugh more than it should have.
Absolutely, it's a sensitive subject. And you definitely can't fix the problem with just one party taking all the responsibility. White people might have enslaved them into a life of poverty, but white people alone isn't going to get them out of it either. Need help all around but there is too much animosity.
You mean other than saying that Trayvon Martin had it coming because he was wearing a hoody?
Cheesemeister applauded to this talking point. Just saying...
So many people here are out of their minds when it comes to black folk. Seriously, lots of fear in full effect around here, it prevents you from thinking rationally.
What if the cops hassled you all the time. What if the cops hassled your brother, cousins, and friends ALL THE TIME.
How 'disrespectful and rambunctious' would you be if you were in the process of being criminalized as you grew up? How would you look at your country if black men all around you were getting locked up left, right, and centre. Who's next? Maybe you? You never know because it doesn't matter what you do. The cops can get away with anything they please.
Might you be just a little bit hostile? Might you have a bleak outlook on your community and your lives? If you can't put yourself in another person's shoes then your opinion on the matter is going to be pretty damn weak. I'm reading a lot of that in this thread.
What if the cops hassled you all the time. What if the cops hassled your brother, cousins, and friends ALL THE TIME.
How 'disrespectful and rambunctious' would you be if you were in the process of being criminalized as you grew up? How would you look at your country if black men all around you were getting locked up left, right, and centre. Who's next? Maybe you? You never know because it doesn't matter what you do. The cops can get away with anything they please.
Might you be just a little bit hostile? Might you have a bleak outlook on your community and your lives? If you can't put yourself in another person's shoes then your opinion on the matter is going to be pretty damn weak. I'm reading a lot of that in this thread.
TheContact
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I agree Rap music is absolute garbage, even Hip Hop isn't the same as it was in the 90s. Immortal Technique is about the only current day rapper I like. No one can come out here and say that rap music doesn't hurt cultures, given the amount of hatred and garbage they spew. I know not ALL rap songs are like this, but MOST of them are.
LiquidMetal14
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His followup is good as well
One thing Mr.Morial notes is that Bill isn't in the communities and he's right BUT the core of the issue is still there. The message that not only the black community but the nation in general is fed has led to our current structure. It just happens to be worse in the black community.
I'm with Bill when he says that we just want prosperity and civility. I don't want to go to Detroit and feel like I can be shot if I go to the wrong part of town at night. Or when I lived in Michigan and drove into certain parts of Flint, MI to be approached by questionable people (something I never mention but bring up as an example).
We all want peace and prosperity for all races. I think the culture is different with black people just like it is with other ethnicities. I want civility and success this for all cultures/races in America.
MisterNegative
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What ? He never said that.
He said Zimmerman profiled TM becuase he wore a hoody and that there is no evidence to suggest that he profiled him on his colour. I actually disagree with that claim, there is no doubt Zimmerman racially profilled TM, as he had done many times before to other black youths.
Bill even said Zim was wrong to do sp even though it's not against the law in another video. I'm not backing Bill, He's suspect in my mind but if we're going to call what he said today racist I'd just like some clarity.
Sarcasm ? I hope so. This BS argument needs to end.
zero shift
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I assume taking place in the greatest economic boom ever seen in human history had a part.
mckmas8808
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And false when he said that Obama and other black leaders haven't spoken on the bolded. To be fair guys like Al Sharpton have spoken on it many times over the last 20 years. He was LITERALLY the leader of a group that went after rappers and their use of the word nigga and lyrics that degrade women.
That part of the problem is always left out in our national conversations about race. O'Reilly attempted to go there but as demonstrated by his hysterical critics you can't be a white person and talk about black crime. It's an undeniable truth that there are "wrong neighborhhods" white people should never be in, but we always hear about how hard it is for blacks to be in white neighborhoods. Not far from where Treyvon Martin was killed two British tourists were gunned down for simply being in the wrong neighborhood. It of course got very little media coverage here:
Not sarcasm, just pure ignorance.
Their grandparents were warned that listening to Elvis would lead them to the devil. Didn't happen.
Their parents were warned that listening to hippie music would turn them into drug fiends. Didn't happen.
Oh but black folk listening to rap is what makes them violent criminals. What else do you call people who simply cannot think their way through this other than pure ignorance?
Big Baybee
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Maybe it got very little coverage because the person who did it was arrested, put on trial, and convicted?
Baraka in the White House
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I've seen this argument a lot, where the Zimmerman case is compared to a dozen other murder/manslaughter cases that actually ended in convictions that didn't require a protest to pursue. It's an incredibly popular fallacy.
empty vessel
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Holy shit, black people are fucked if even half of the people in this thread saying they agree with O'Reilly are serious. We are in full on racial regression. And with the invalidation of the teeth of the Voting Rights Act and some Republicans openly supporting the repeal of the Civil Rights Act, I would be very nervous if I were a black person in the US today. The Dixiecrats have risen again.
Conor_Fool
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Maybe mainstream, but most rap is not the shit you are talking about. There are quite a few current/recent rappers that are far better than Technique, plus no conspiracy theory BS. Some of the stuff Tech says can be as dangerous as "thug culture" rap to the underdeveloped mind (I knew he brought me into some crazy theories back in high school)
Check out Brother Ali.
LiquidMetal14
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I have no invested political choosing but he makes extremely sound points.
I want the best for all communities and in this case, in this thread, it's about black people.
Joel Was Right
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Some of the things -- such as the drug persecution -- he claimed were plainly untrue, but I did agree with him on one thing in particular; the large rate of black children with a single parent only exasperates the many issues.
Specifics aside, the theme of O'Reilly's comments were that the black community can find solutions internally. It's a question that I've contemplated over the last few weeks: how does the perpetuation of racial stereotypes/prejudice end? O'Reilly may find more universal agreement on that point than anywhere else. A report in the UK recently stated the university application rates for black 18-year-olds have risen from 20% in 2006 to 34% this year. Continued at this rate, we may have 1 in 2 black children applying for university within the next decade.
The problems facing educating young black men need to be overcome because social mobility is the only way to effectively reduce crime and thus the stereotypes. What that statistic shows is that the solution can come from within.
Specifics aside, the theme of O'Reilly's comments were that the black community can find solutions internally. It's a question that I've contemplated over the last few weeks: how does the perpetuation of racial stereotypes/prejudice end? O'Reilly may find more universal agreement on that point than anywhere else. A report in the UK recently stated the university application rates for black 18-year-olds have risen from 20% in 2006 to 34% this year. Continued at this rate, we may have 1 in 2 black children applying for university within the next decade.
The problems facing educating young black men need to be overcome because social mobility is the only way to effectively reduce crime and thus the stereotypes. What that statistic shows is that the solution can come from within.
It is a sad thing to say, but I agree with you. It seems that we have gone backwards instead of forwards.
Frank the Great
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The Zimmerman case received national attention because the police did a half-assed investigation and the police and prosecutors tried to pretend it never happened instead of investigating Zimmerman for murder. It had nothing to do with the substantive crime that was committed, that shit happens every day.
I don't agree with everything O'Reilly said, but a lot of the statistics in your post are wildly misleading. Here are some statistics from the FBI's website if you want to take a look:
http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2011/crime-in-the-u.s.-2011/tables/table-43
Keep in mind that AA's only represent 13.6 percent of the total U.S. population.
Jawbreaker
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Isn't this similar to the stuff Bill Cosby has been saying?
Yep, scary, its almost feels like a society announcing not giving a pass to the black community anymore after failing to appreciate all the great things they have done for them. I see some racist folk survived the Zimmerman trial thread.
zero shift
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This is ridiculous. Racism doesn't exist. The KKK is dead, job discrimination is gone and its actually now MORE likely for a black person to get a job compared to someone who is white (thank you affirmative action), we even have a black PRESIDENT. If anything black racism is more of a problem today then white racism. Just look at how black comedians can make fun of white people yet white comedians can't even say the n-word.
The white man has become the modern disadvantaged minority.
Frank the Great
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Absolutely, I find many opinions in this thread repugnant. I'm in disbelief, and I am embarrassed to be white.
The Technomancer
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Eh,
A.)A lot of people think Cosby is an ass for saying that stuff anyway
B.)As someone who grew up in an urban African-American community Cosby at least has the first hand perspective to lend some credibility to his comments. O'Reilly does not.
Jackben
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Funny how everyone has completely ignored this point in reference to pregnancy rates.
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