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My god in heaven. It's one thing to compare SCII with VF4:Evo, but Tekken 5 is on a whole other level of awesomeness. The graphics are unreal, and the animations are poetry in motion. The stages/backgrounds in T5 make the stages in VF4 look fucking rediculous. The music is pretty good too.

Say all you want about how great it is to time shit to a single frame in your fighting system, Tekken is the superior series. I know it's not fair to compare it to a year old game, but my god, it's a work of art that all other fighting games should aspire to.

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VF4 is way better. In VF4, you have to think about punching and kicking while youre playing the game, as well as if your opponent is going to punch of kick YOU. Oh, and you also have to think about throws.
 
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Bacon said:
VF4 is way better. In VF4, you have to think about punching and kicking while youre playing the game, as well as if your opponent is going to punch of kick YOU. Oh, and you also have to think about throws.
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That's so deep.
 
Bacon said:
VF4 is way better. In VF4, you have to think about punching and kicking while youre playing the game, as well as if your opponent is going to punch of kick YOU. Oh, and you also have to think about throws.
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Go Go Ackman! said:
My god in heaven. It's one thing to compare SCII with VF4:Evo, but Tekken 5 is on a whole other level of awesomeness. The graphics are unreal, and the animations are poetry in motion. The stages/backgrounds in T5 make the stages in VF4 look fucking rediculous. The music is pretty good too.

Say all you want about how great it is to time shit to a single frame in your fighting system, Tekken is the superior series. I know it's not fair to compare it to a year old game, but my god, it's a work of art that all other fighting games should aspire to.

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Anyanka said:
This is true. Nothing compares. Best ever!
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Go Go Ackman! said:
dudettes, tekken 5 is twice the technical achievement that vf4 is.
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I feel sad that I'm actually responding to what should common knowledge but:

According to you, what makes T5 such a great fighter is its graphics, animation, music, and other technical achievements. where does the gameplay come in?

And...wouldn't DoA be the greatest fighter ever according to your logic since it's much better looking in stages, characters, and animation than Tekken 5?
 
You're all wrong. Smash Bros. is the best fighting game ever made. Unlike games where you can button mash your way to the final boss (VF, Tekken, MK, etc.), Smash Bros. requires quick wits and vary styles of gameplay to manage all the situations thrown at you. Plus it never gets boring...
 
God's Hand said:
You're all wrong. Smash Bros. is the best fighting game ever made. Unlike games where you can button mash your way to the final boss (VF, Tekken, MK, etc.), Smash Bros. requires quick wits and vary styles of gameplay to manage all the situations thrown at you. Plus it never gets boring...
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Must be a different game. Because all I do in Smash Bros is button mash, doesn't work in VF4 though. Can't blame you for not understanding though, must be shitty having only Nintendo consoles. Luckily for us, thanks to the new mod policy some of you guys might not be around for much longer! :lol
 
You can button mash and beat the CPU in VF. You won't get as many strings going as SC or Tekken, but you can beat the CPU. It's pretty much a "problem" with all 3D fighters. Just the nature of the motions for moves.
 
duckroll said:
Must be a different game. Because all I do in Smash Bros is button mash, doesn't work in VF4 though. Can't blame you for not understanding though, must be shitty having only Nintendo consoles. Luckily for us, thanks to the new mod policy some of you guys might not be around for much longer! :lol
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LOL SHITTY NINTENDO CONSOLES LOLLOL!!!!
 
And...wouldn't DoA be the greatest fighter ever according to your logic since it's much better looking in stages, characters, and animation than Tekken 5?
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DOA animation better than Tekken 5? Tekken 5's animation system has so many more complications to it. Theres about 3 million more moves, more nonlinear blending, and less popping than DOA has. DOA is good, but Tekken 5 is superior technically as well as artistically. The characters move at a somewhat human pace rather than DOA's cracked out super speed. :lol
 
duckroll said:
Must be a different game. Because all I do in Smash Bros is button mash, doesn't work in VF4 though. Can't blame you for not understanding though, must be shitty having only Nintendo consoles. Luckily for us, thanks to the new mod policy some of you guys might not be around for much longer! :lol
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I KNOW! Variety in a group of people is TERRIBLE, especially on a forum!
 
Best way to win VF4.

Mash on Punch. Press down once in awhile to confuse the computer.

Really, both games, have low, mids, highs, and reversals as well as plenty of throws.

Tekken just plays faster and damage is higher and the characters are not as balanced. Street Fighter even has unbalanced characters. So turn up the handicap, there's half your problem solved.

VF is not deeper. What a tired old idea. My old school VF1/2 Akira skills have managed to pound many VF4:Evo players into submission by just mixing up some mid special moves with low and high attacks and throws. Same shit happens in Tekken but flashier with a bit more damage. Get over it.

Fuck it, just buy both. For $20 you can't go wrong with VF4 and it's a great game although completely lacks any style. And Tekken 5 is hella fun albeit slightly broken/unbalanced. You'll always find Tekken fans around. If you like 3d fighters why WOULDNT you own both?
 
Bebpo said:
I feel sad that I'm actually responding to what should common knowledge but:

According to you, what makes T5 such a great fighter is its graphics, animation, music, and other technical achievements. where does the gameplay come in?

And...wouldn't DoA be the greatest fighter ever according to your logic since it's much better looking in stages, characters, and animation than Tekken 5?
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How is complex timing and difficult-to-execute moves with little payoff superior? Tekken is easier to pick up, play, and have fun with. It took ages for me to learn enough of Lion's moves to start kicking ass, but it took just a little while to get Kazuya, Jin and that chinese dudes movesets down (at least enough to have me winning matches). Tekken's gameplay is more rewarding. Also, Tekken 5 has way more titties!
 
junkster said:
Best way to win VF4.

Mash on Punch. Press down once in awhile to confuse the computer.

Really, both games, have low, mids, highs, and reversals as well as plenty of throws.

Tekken just plays faster and damage is higher and the characters are not as balanced. Street Fighter even has unbalanced characters. So turn up the handicap, there's half your problem solved.

VF is not deeper. What a tired old idea. My old school VF1/2 Akira skills have managed to pound many VF4:Evo players into submission by just mixing up some mid special moves with low and high attacks and throws. Same shit happens in Tekken but flashier with a bit more damage. Get over it.

Fuck it, just buy both. For $20 you can't go wrong with VF4 and it's a great game although completely lacks any style. And Tekken 5 is hella fun albeit slightly broken/unbalanced. You'll always find Tekken fans around. If you like 3d fighters why WOULDNT you own both?
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1) Sorry but a button masher would never have a chance against me in VF4.

2) Sorry no tekken is actually slower than VF. Rounds may end faster but that's cause you got juggled into a combo for > 50 percent of your life; maybe even 80 percent if there's a wall :lol

3) VF IS DEEPER. Just because your Akira plays the same means nothing. The game system itself is deeper. You truly must know jack about movement. buffering, sabaki's, parries, reversals. evading throw escapes, and you must be a good judge on what move to do. You can't throw moves brainlessly (read: safe and pushing back on block) waiting for your opponent to whiff in VF like you can in Tekken.

3) T5 for 20 bucks? Where is this? are you typing from a computer in the future?

4)If this is Leguna that started the thread. Please STFU already how many times do you have to talk shit about how good or experienced you are at a game, and then get totally owned and make excuses.
 
Go Go Ackman! said:
How is complex timing and difficult-to-execute moves with little payoff superior? Tekken is easier to pick up, play, and have fun with. It took ages for me to learn enough of Lion's moves to start kicking ass, but it took just a little while to get Kazuya, Jin and that chinese dudes movesets down (at least enough to have me winning matches). Tekken's gameplay is more rewarding. Also, Tekken 5 has way more titties!
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Errr, I'm not gonna fight with you about the gameplay because that would take pages of writing to convince a die-hard Tekken fan like yourself to actually believe that VF is better in that department, but I'll just say that in my case I find Tekken has the more complex timing and difficult-to-execute moves.

Maybe it's because I've been playing VF since VF1 but save Akira's knee (1 move out of what 3000, and it's not even that hard to pull off) I could do pretty much all the other moves in training mode the first time I saw them and have no trouble pulling them out in a match.

But in Tekken you have moves assigned to 3~4 and then moves assigned to 3+4 so I find I'm accidently doing the wrong one mid-match. Or you have the 2~2 moves which sometimes come out when I really want to do 2,2. Then you have the wierd uncomfortable on the hands (with an arcade stick) commands like 1+4,2+3 which aren't hard to pull out but I find them painful and awkward in terms of finger positioning.

Basically gameplay argument aside, I find VF to be much easier to pick up and play and much easier to do moves because you have a nice simple P/K/G button layout that feels comfortable on the hands no matter what combination of buttons you use. All my friends who I've introduced to VF have picked up the game within minutes and gotten addicted quickly and before I knew it they'd been in practice mode learning moves while I was going to the bathroom.

And as an aside I don't think Tekken even beats VF on a visual level as the motion-captured throws and reversals in VF (Aoi's bijillion reversal animations) completely own the animation in Tekken. Characters are debatable, and I'll give you the stages (besides damage which is done 10x better in VF) look better in Tekken.
 
Can someone tell me what's so great about this series or any traditional fighter? The best I can go on is my own anecdotal evidence, but I've yet to play one where I couldn't button mash to the top. My friend just got Tekken 5 and he's a veteran to the series. I can skim the move list and beat him with basic knowledge of the moves combined with button mashing. I even started out just button mashing randomly without any basic knowledge and I still was about even with him. Admittedly, I've barely played Virtua Fighter, but this has been my experience with all traditional fighters against all the people I've played.

Let's assume these people are just weaksauce gamers that haven't gotten into the combo system and timing. I still don't see the point. It still seems like simplistic twitch gaming to me. Is there something I'm missing? I've heard about depth many times from fighting games, but I have yet to see it.
 
The depth comes from the amount of options you have. Not just in the movelists, but also the different ways to handle situations. It's not something that's easily explained. You kind of have to read up and follow the game to really get an appreciation for how much skill and knowledge it takes to play well.
 
Anyanka said:
The depth comes from the amount of options you have. Not just in the movelists, but also the different ways to handle situations. It's not something that's easily explained. You kind of have to read up and follow the game to really get an appreciation for how much skill and knowledge it takes to play well.
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That's VF4, alright.

Namco's fighters have (almost) always looked better than AM2's, but they've never come anywhere close to VF's balance and depth.
 
EAJAPAN said:
Tekken 5 is better because the graphics are better.

Superb argument.
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I'd say it's better because it doesn't suffer from an artificially steep learning curve, thanks to an interface that's so focused on being 'masher-proof' that it also hinders non-mashers who want to learn via experimentation, rather than suffer through interminable training modes. Suffice it to say that two people who don't know Tekken 5 can experiment as they play and actually learn things, not to mention having a decent time in the process, as opposed to VF 4: Evo. Evo discourages experimentation--you're almost guaranteed not to be able to pull off anything but the simplest moves and combinations through trial and error. This is wonderful for the hardcore, who can't bear the thought of being beaten by some novice 'masher' whose moves were too random to predict, but it also turns the game into something that has to be studied before you can even begin to enjoy it. At this point its evolution, the VF series has become too niche, IMO--it caters to long-time VF players and hardcore-to-the-point-of-anal fighting fans to the point where it's just not much fun for the non-obsessed. Games like Tekken 5 or SC II may not boast the same depth as VF 4: Evo (though they're still quite respectable in their own right), but they're fun and exciting for even novice players, and they reveal their depth naturally through play, without forcing the player to study outside the game or work their way through elaborate training modes. That makes them better games overall, IMO.
 
Mr. Rellik said:
1) Sorry but a button masher would never have a chance against me in VF4.
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A button masher would never have a chance against ANYONE that knew enough of ANY fighting game.

My only beef with the VF arguments I read on the internet are the ones that make it sound like you need a college degree to play the game. We have VF4 in a kisok at work. People of ALL ages come in and play the game all the time, figuring out stuff without too much of a problem, or just having fun mashing. You can do this in any fighting game, and I guarantee you that none of these people would see a difference in the depth of either game.

But make no mistake about it, Virtua Fighter IS the deepest, most complex, (however you want to put it) 3D fighting game out there. That's a FACT. Which game you like best is your opinion. But VF can be mashed and get good "results" from it just like in any other fighting game. It's bound to happen when you have three buttons for all the commands.

One litle-noted difference between Tekken and VF is that Tekken is a much flashier-looking game, making it bound to catch the attention of someone that normally wouldn't care to play any fighting game in comparison to VF IMO.
 
Bacon said:
VF4 is way better. In VF4, you have to think about punching and kicking while youre playing the game, as well as if your opponent is going to punch of kick YOU. Oh, and you also have to think about throws.
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In recognition of the level of competence and taste embodied by this thread topic... IAWTP!!

BTW, VF3 >>>>>> Tekken 5.
 
Teach somebody how to block, how and when to throw, and give them a masher-friendly character, and a total newb can be troublesome in VF4:Evo. If you're good you can still pound them into the ground, but they know enough to have fun.

Best way to win VF4.

Mash on Punch. Press down once in awhile to confuse the computer.
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Somebody's only played arcade mode on normal.
 
Tellaerin said:
Suffice it to say that two people who don't know Tekken 5 can experiment as they play and actually learn things, not to mention having a decent time in the process, as opposed to VF 4: Evo. Evo discourages experimentation--you're almost guaranteed not to be able to pull off anything but the simplest moves and combinations through trial and error.
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I don't see this at all.

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f+K
b+K
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These are all simple basic movements that almost all characters have attacks assigned to. Just like how Tekken has attacks assigned to all the basic directions + buttons.

2 people who know nothing about VF should pretty easily be able to to figure out the basic playing style and start pick up moves/combos on their own. It really doesn't seem any different than Tekken in this regard. Just because some novice guy can't pull off a SPoD without looking at the moves list doesn't mean they can't win against other novice players.

Really I think it comes down to this:
--If you're a Tekken player, your first reaction to VF is going to be "wow I can't pull off any moves" because you're going to be trying Tekken commands like P~K, K~K.

--If you're a VF player, your first reaction to Tekken is going to be a "wow I can't pull off any moves" because you're going to be trying P+K; b,df+p; df,df+p.

Basically anyone to newbies coming in without any prior fighting game experience I personally think they'll learn an equal amount of play style in both games. It just turns out that most US players were raised on Tekken until at least VF2 (and many until VF4) so they find VF to be "awkward and tough"
 
Lyte Edge said:
My only beef with the VF arguments I read on the internet are the ones that make it sound like you need a college degree to play the game. We have VF4 in a kisok at work. People of ALL ages come in and play the game all the time, figuring out stuff without too much of a problem, or just having fun mashing. You can do this in any fighting game, and I guarantee you that none of these people would see a difference in the depth of either game.
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Most of my experiences with Evo and friends resulted in them pulling off a few PPK combos and occasionally an abortive move or two that left them wide open because they didn't know what to do next. Ten minutes of shuffling around a ring like this usually had them telling me to 'put in something good', like SC 2. The training mode stuff is incredibly elaborate for a reason--you need that training just to master the basics of the gameplay. Compare that to, say, Street Fighter II.

Lyte, I stand by what I said above--screwing around and 'trying stuff' in VF 4 really won't get you the same results it would in other fighters. While that makes it a better game for people who want to make VF 4 a hobby in its own right, it raises the starting bar too high for a lot of people, even fans of other fighting games, to get into the game naturally. To me, that's the game's biggest flaw.
 
I played VF4:Evo with some Tekken 2 playtime(didn't care for it) as my only experience in 3D fighters... and I found VF4 controls highly intuitive. Directions and button presses actually correspond to what you're doing, even though a lot of things are tricky to pull off.
 
You know, over the years I've tried to learn to enjoy Tekken, but it's never going to happen.

I've had Tekken 1, 2 and Tag (2 is sitting just above my computer screen in a CD rack right now). In the end I wonder why I bother. I find the controls mushy and just generally annoying, and then I think I'm the only person in the world who doesn't "get" the character design... since I'm unable to see how it's better than that in, well, any other fighter of note... IMO, it's a lot of generic martial arts characters mixed in with absolutely retarded designs a la Jack/Paul/King... (excuse the un-PC moment)

I also find the gameplay in general unexciting. There are a few cool characters with cool move sets, but that's not enough for me.

It surprised me back in the day of Soul Edge, knowing that these were the guys who did Tekken, Namco could produce such a fighting game... until now I've tried to keep my mind open about Tekken, but I think after my TTT experience, I just realized yes, I don't like this game. I'd probably take any significant 3D fighter over it...
 
Juggling is my favorite type of combo and Tekken does it the best. The walls and damage settings are so brutal in T5. Taking half of someone's life is a good time.


Some of the character designs in Tekken are really lame, especially in the older games. All the Jack models are dumb. The Mishima family more than make up for the bad characters. They're complete badasses. Just look at Jin's hood!


Paul's look is generic and he has one of the worst haircuts in gaming, but his story of always getting screwed out of winning by some wacky mishap is good and his new Dan Hibiki style attitude in T5 is funny.
 
Anyanka said:
Juggling is my favorite type of combo and Tekken does it the best. The walls and damage settings are so brutal in T5. Taking half of someone's life is a good time.
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That pretty much seals it folks... he is a fan of circus clown fighters.

VF4:FT > VF4:Evo >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Tekken 5>>>>>>> Anyanka's Judgement.
 
Virtua Fighter 4 is more fun to play than Tekken 5.

Unless of course, you need your hot robot on bear action!
 
Alex said:
Virtua Fighter 4 is more fun to play than Tekken 5.

Unless of course, you need your hot robot on bear action!
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I only need old man in diaper action! Although they seem to have dropped the diaper for Tekken 5 (as in switched to another piece of clothing, that is). DANG!
 
Dav2k said:
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Considering Tekken is one sequel ahead of the fighter, it should be superior, but it's not.

Just wait for VF5 :D
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One sequel ahead? Tekken's up to 5, and Soul Calibur's not even on 3 yet. ;)
 
Dav2k said:
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Considering Tekken is one sequel ahead of the fighter, it should be superior, but it's not.

Just wait for VF5 :D
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For some reason I'm pretty uneasy about VF5. With Sega being Sega these days and VF4:FT being like the ultimate perfection of the VF style it's going to be kinda scary if they make any big changes like VF2->VF3->VF4(though admittedly VF4 was more reverting than adding new, still it was a big change from VF3). It'd be interesting if VF5 was another VF3 where they took some major changes, but if it'll work this time...hmm....uneasy ^^; After all the upgrades of VF4 I can't see VF5 just being another small update with new characters and graphics.
 
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