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THR: Ron Howard officially directing Han Solo after Lord/Miller firing

So Kasdan was the reason for this? That's lame. I guess he just wanted somebody to shoot his script and not inject any personality or wit into it, so he got the right guy for the job in the end.

The story, characters, and by extension, wit, comes from the screenplay. A director(s) can inject their own personality into the execution obviously, but that's not always a good thing. You're essentially defending Lord and Miller's work without having actually seen Lord and Miller's work. You've picked people to point fingers at being in the wrong when we don't even have a title for the movie.

People cried foul about the Rogue One circumstances too, immediately calling shit on Kennedy/Disney/whoever for it when I think it's pretty clear their decisions there may have really helped the film in the long run.
 

Kibbles

Member
4-1/2 months directing? Damn they must've had a whole movie there and now starting from scratch? Jeez


Edit: ah so fixing and reshooting a rough edit
 

kunonabi

Member
Kasdan gave George a bunch of notes and ideas for Episode 1, which if George had taken to heart, would've fixed a ton of things people hated about that movie.

He most definitely understands what makes Star Wars Star Wars more than George. It's clear Lucas forgot in episode 1 and 2.

Episode 1 and 2 still feel more like Star Wars movies than anything outside of the original movies even with their problems.
 
4-1/2 months directing? Damn they must've had a whole movie there and now starting from scratch? Jeez

No, they're not starting from scratch. There will be heavy reshoots, but they'll still attempt to maximize use of the existing footage, massaging it all to meet expectations.
 
That Ace Ventura namedrop is by itself shoving that SWNN story across the internet at ludicrous speed.

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If I had any shoppin' skills, I'd put the Rhino Birth scene from AV2 into the viewports.

How reliable is SWNN, exactly?

They're okay. Definitely a better editorial voice than MSW, but like Wadium said, off the mark a couple of times (for example saying that the Obi-Wan spinoff would be announced at Celebration this year).
 

Batjag

Member
4-1/2 months directing? Damn they must've had a whole movie there and now starting from scratch? Jeez

I wonder what their process is like. Maybe they were doing the Apatow thing with tons of takes and letting the actors improvise a lot.
 
Beckett: You have much skill, my roguish friend. You fire a blaster well. I haven't seen such talent with a weapon since I was stationed on Quellis 4, during the infamous stock disputes at the hands of the local trade guilds.

Han Solo: I fire a blaster very well. I am a fine shot, you need not doubt it.

(Beckett and Han walk slowly down a corridor, as they stride in front of a series of breath-taking blue-screens, each more distracting than the last)

Beckett: Indeed? If you still wish to join my gang however, there is much you must take into consideration.

Han Solo: I shall have no need to consider anything. I will join your gang.

Beckett: Very well. Let us put your skills to the ultimate test.

(Five alien gangsters suddenly dart from around a corner, their blasters trained on Han. Before Han can even reach his own blaster, the aliens fire their weapons simultaneously, their blaster bolts darting in the young smuggler's direction. Luckily, Han miraculously dodges the shots by stiffly jerking his head a few centimeters to the left before cutting the aggressive aliens down with ease.)

Beckett: Once again, I am impressed by your skill.

Han Solo: And so you should be, for I fire a blaster well.

Beckett: (Murmuring quietly) Could this be the boy the prophecy spoke of?

This is really good stuff. Very well done.
 

Einchy

semen stains the mountaintops
He didn't forget. He wanted to make new movies that were a different tone from the first movies. He had the right idea, but was held back by his own scripts and use of CGI.

Had kasdan been part of it, I feel we would have gotten the same old.

George should have had more input overall though. That much is clear.

He was held back by...himself? It's clear George Lucas should have had more input in Episode 1 and 2? I'm really not sure what to say to any of that.
 

Ross61

Member
Lord and Miller were really the only reason I was interested. Without them, most likely not going to see this ever.
 
Lord and Miller fired by the guy they hired. I'll bet they want to destroy him now.

I don't believe this Ace Ventura nonsense, but I really really would've loved to have seen their take on it. They agreed to do the reshoots but did not want to relinquish control while shooting. I'm sure it would've been a more comedic take, but Lord and Miler are hardcore Star Wars fans, and I don't think they're insane.

Keep in mind only one source said that, and it was surely embellishment. If Kennedy didn't puss out, there was a chance at getting something special. Force Awakens was just okay and Rogue One was pretty boring.
 
Lord and Miller were really the only reason I was interested. Without them, most likely not going to see this ever.

What if what the direction they were heading the film is wasn't that great, Howard stepped in and legitimately took it somewhere better, the reviews are good, and most people like it? Still a no-go simply because you'd rather defend Lord and Miller's work that none of us have seen than go enjoy a new Star Wars film?
 

Roders5

Iwata een bom zal droppen
He was held back by...himself? It's clear George Lucas should have had more input in Episode 1 and 2? I'm really not sure what to say to any of that.

I think he's saying that George should have taken more input from other people. The opposite view would just be too far out there for anyone to believe.
 

Ashhong

Member
What if what the direction they were heading the film is wasn't that great, Howard stepped in and legitimately took it somewhere better, the reviews are good, and most people like it? Still a no-go simply because you'd rather defend Lord and Miller's work that none of us have seen than go enjoy a new Star Wars film?

To be fair, he said most likely. If the movie is critically and GAFically acclaimed, I'm sure he will see it.
 

Ross61

Member
What if what the direction they were heading the film is wasn't that great, Howard stepped in and legitimately took it somewhere better, the reviews are good, and most people like it? Still a no-go simply because you'd rather defend Lord and Miller's work that none of us have seen than go enjoy a new Star Wars film?
Yes. I was interested in Lord and Miller, not Han Solo.
 

Surfinn

Member
Oh right yes. <smiles sheepishly>

I forgot that it was moved for 9 instead of Han Solo.

There is some other:

November 21, 2018 — Untitled Disney Animation wide in 3D

for next year.
If the film simply is unfinished, I believe they'd rather compete with another big movie than release something in an entirely incomplete state. It's bad business.

And it sounds like May is looking much less likely now because of this shitty news.
 
Yes. I was interested in Lord and Miller, not Han Solo.

I guess I'm more interested in what a director does rather than the director personally.

If I weren't interested in the concept or whatever of a movie I wouldn't go see it just because of any names attached to it.

Spielberg is my favorite director of all time but I didn't go see Lincoln and admittedly a share of his latest stuff because none of it interested me.

But I suppose we all have our reasons. If I were uninterested in this movie to the point where I was only going to go because of the directors attached, I probably wouldn't.
 

Fisty

Member
The story, characters, and by extension, wit, comes from the screenplay. A director(s) can inject their own personality into the execution obviously, but that's not always a good thing. You're essentially defending Lord and Miller's work without having actually seen Lord and Miller's work. You've picked people to point fingers at being in the wrong when we don't even have a title for the movie.

People cried foul about the Rogue One circumstances too, immediately calling shit on Kennedy/Disney/whoever for it when I think it's pretty clear their decisions there may have really helped the film in the long run.

This is not always the case, ESPECIALLY in comedy films, and ESPECIALLY when a comedy director is working from someone else's script.

As for pointing fingers at Kasdan, I mean it says right in the article that disagreements between Kasdan and L&M were the cause of them being fired. They are a pretty well known quantity, and while I'm open to the idea that they were butchering Kasdan's perfect script... I guess we'll see what Ron puts together for him
 

Dan

No longer boycotting the Wolfenstein franchise
Oh right yes. <smiles sheepishly>

I forgot that it was moved for 9 instead of Han Solo.

There is some other:

November 21, 2018 — Untitled Disney Animation wide in 3D

for next year.
That's Ralph Breaks the Internet: Wreck-It Ralph 2.
 

kevin1025

Banned
If Disney and Lucasfilm were real crazy, they could always take 2018 off, put Solo in Episode IX's spot, and move IX to December (although Frozen 2 messes with it, I'm sure they could bump things around. They have two Disney fairy tale films fighting each other in November 2019 --- move Frozen up, and it gives it a good 45 days to itself). Drop them both in 2019, and give both enough time to be perfect. Sure, you miss a year at the box office, but I'm sure both projects would love a little extra time.
 

sphagnum

Banned
Beckett: You have much skill, my roguish friend. You fire a blaster well. I haven't seen such talent with a weapon since I was stationed on Quellis 4, during the infamous stock disputes at the hands of the local trade guilds.

This reminds me that George's original idea for Ben's background was that he was the nephew or something of the guy who was the head of the galaxy's big trade guild and rather than getting kidnapped by Fett at the end of ESB he was going to go try to convince him to join the Rebellion, thereby dealing a big blow to the Imperial economy.
 
This is not always the case, ESPECIALLY in comedy films, and ESPECIALLY when a comedy director is working from someone else's script.

Naturally production is different with most movies and there's improv. And really, I don't want this to be some big comedy movie.

As for pointing fingers at Kasdan, I mean it says right in the article that disagreements between Kasdan and L&M were the cause of them being fired. They are a pretty well known quantity, and while I'm open to the idea that they were butchering Kasdan's perfect script... I guess we'll see what Ron puts together for him

Correct, I'm just saying that what if Kasdan is right and what they were doing isn't really great? I trust the guy that wrote Raiders, Empire and co-wrote Force Awakens and now this Han Solo story more than Lord and Miller in this instance. I've liked the movies I've seen from them, but if Kasdan and co. didn't think it was right, I'm more inclined to believe that personally.
 
This is going back a few pages but how was Rogue One not a risk?

If you want to get into the politics of the usage of the word "risk" when it comes to movies/Star Wars on the internet and you have a reasonable head on your shoulders, you're going to walk away with nothing but a fucking migraine.
 

Fisty

Member
Naturally production is different with most movies and there's improv. And really, I don't want this to be some big comedy movie.



Correct, I'm just saying that what if Kasdan is right and what they were doing isn't really great? I trust the guy that wrote Raiders, Empire and co-wrote Force Awakens and now this Han Solo story more than Lord and Miller in this instance. I've liked the movies I've seen from them, but if Kasdan and co. didn't think it was right, I'm more inclined to believe that personally.

Eh Force Awakens was basically a remake of ANH and Kasdan hasn't done anything of note imo since 1995. On the other side you have two guys that have taken 3 "no chance in hell" premises and created blockbuster gold in the last 10 years. I'm not saying it's certain one way or the other, but giving Kasdan more wiggle room than L&M seems a bit off

And I would have loved a big comedy movie, at least it would have been different. Imagine laughing during a Star Wars movie in the 21st century... and I don't mean laughing at a Star Wars movie, theres been plenty of that
 
It was, but it was successful, so now it isn't.

Similarly, Guardians of the Galaxy was always going to be a slam dunk and was never a tricky proposition at all!

You mean the first ever major spin-off for the franchise, whose biggest returning character is "that guy from a Clone Wars arc", where the entire cast is killed, with no Jedi, almost no Force, with one of the main human villains being an entirely CGI recreation of a long-dead actor, and with no John Williams score was a risk? Nah, I don't buy it.
 
Boring choice but he ocassionally puts out decent movies. Plus this is basically a patch up job for him

I wasn't interested in seeing this either way tbh but still i was pretty curious what the jump street/Lego guys would do with it. Now I've got even more reason to skip seeing this in theaters unless impressions are super high
 
You mean the first ever major spin-off for the franchise, whose biggest returning character is "that guy from a Clone Wars arc", where the entire cast is killed, with no Jedi, almost no Force, with one of the main human villains being an entirely CGI recreation of a long-dead actor, and with no John Williams score was a risk? Nah, I don't buy it.
Bro, the fucking movie has STAR WARS printed on it.

Guardians is a MARVEL movie.

Christ, you guys. It's not hard to understand that people are lining up for McDoanlds at the movies. They have a pretty good idea what they're gonna get. Even if it turns out to be a shit sandwhich like Rogue One.
 
Boring choice

I don't know what constitutes this as a boring choice.

I feel like unless it's some hip/cool director like Edgar Wright or someone that nobody's even heard of, that it's a boring, safe, whatever word here choice.

What matters is if they're good at what they do. It feels like people treat this like a game sometimes, like alright, let's see what batshit crazy choice they can do!

...Ron Howard? Yawn. I've heard of that guy.
 
Since Bobby was bringing this up earlier about how Howard would only get official credit as the director of the film if his reshoots are massive, I think that's exactly what the film's in for, judging by how Lucasfilm gave Ron Howard this big announcement post on their website earlier today.

Lucasfilm is pleased to announce that Academy Award-winning filmmaker Ron Howard has been named director of the untitled Han Solo film.

“At Lucasfilm, we believe the highest goal of each film is to delight, carrying forward the spirit of the saga that George Lucas began forty years ago,” said Kathleen Kennedy, president of Lucasfilm. “With that in mind, we’re thrilled to announce that Ron Howard will step in to direct the untitled Han Solo film. We have a wonderful script, an incredible cast and crew, and the absolute commitment to make a great movie. Filming will resume the 10th of July.”

Howard has made some of the biggest hits and most critically-acclaimed movies of the modern era. Among his many films are Lucasfilm’s Willow, Apollo 13, A Beautiful Mind (winner of four Academy Awards, including Best Picture and Best Director), The Da Vinci Code, Frost/Nixon, and Rush. He also narrated and produced the beloved comedy series Arrested Development, starred in George Lucas’ American Graffiti, and remains a TV icon for his roles in The Andy Griffith Show and Happy Days.

The untitled Han Solo film is slated for a May 25, 2018, release.
http://www.starwars.com/news/ron-ho...-the-untitled-han-solo-film?cmp=smc|946758536

As far as I can remember, Tony Gilroy never got this sort of announcement for helming the reshoots for Rogue One last year and the announcement outright calls Ron Howard the film's new director. Sooo yeah, looks like extensive reshoots are incoming if the plan is to give Howard the directing credits.

That said, I'm still really skeptical of that May 2018 release date. Especially if they are planning to reshoot a lot more in order to give RH the directing credits.
 
I mean... isn't it? It's has almost identical story beats.

It has similar, extremely basic surface-level story beats.

Writing it off as "basically a remake" while failing to grasp its unique aspects and specifics is a wholly ignorant mindset.
 

firehawk12

Subete no aware
Since Bobby was bringing this up earlier about how Howard would only get official credit as the director of the film if his reshoots are massive, I think that's exactly what the film's in for, judging by how Lucasfilm gave Ron Howard this big announcement post on their website earlier today.

http://www.starwars.com/news/ron-how...mc%7C946758536

As far as I can remember, Tony Gilroy never got this sort of announcement for helming the reshoots for Rogue One last year and the announcement outright calls Ron Howard the film's new director. Sooo yeah, looks like extensive reshoots are incoming if the plan is to give Howard the directing credits.

That said, I'm still really skeptical of that May 2018 release date. Especially if they are planning to reshoot a lot more in order to give RH the directing credits.
To be fair, Gilroy is much more of a mixed bag than Howard.
 

Fisty

Member
It has similar, extremely basic surface-level story beats.

Writing it off as "basically a remake" while failing to grasp its unique aspects and specifics is a wholly ignorant mindset.

Unique aspects like what? Han Solo being 96? The bad guy being a brat instead of a badass?
 

Ashhong

Member
Since Bobby was bringing this up earlier about how Howard would only get official credit as the director of the film if his reshoots are massive, I think that's exactly what the film's in for, judging by how Lucasfilm gave Ron Howard this big announcement post on their website earlier today.


http://www.starwars.com/news/ron-ho...-the-untitled-han-solo-film?cmp=smc|946758536

As far as I can remember, Tony Gilroy never got this sort of announcement for helming the reshoots for Rogue One last year and the announcement outright calls Ron Howard the film's new director. Sooo yeah, looks like extensive reshoots are incoming if the plan is to give Howard the directing credits.

That said, I'm still really skeptical of that May 2018 release date. Especially if they are planning to reshoot a lot more in order to give RH the directing credits.

Huh? Of course they were going to make a big announcement out of it. They had to because the original directors were fired. That's not what happened with Rogue One. It'll depend on how much is reshot and what is actually Howard's.
 
That said, I'm still really skeptical of that May 2018 release date. Especially if they are planning to reshoot a lot more in order to give RH the directing credits.

Yeah, I saw someone else bring that up as well: The wording in the press release definitely makes it sound like they kinda intend for this to be a Ron Howard movie now.

But if he's really only shooting for 3 weeks plus the 6 they have scheduled for reshoots, AND they're planning on sticking to that May date (which they repeated) I don't know how you manage to shoot enough footage to be able to give him the credit.

It's kind of a weird situation there.

People have been comparing it to Superman II, I've noticed, and superficially, that makes sense.

Donner got kicked off the film after having finished something like 75-80% of the footage needed for Superman II. They hadn't come up with an ending (since they moved it to Superman: The Movie in post) and some other things weren't grabbed yet, but that movie was mostly done. They brought in Lester, and essentially mandated Lester shoot just enough so that he could qualify for the Directed By credit and Donner wouldn't get it.

The major difference is that the split between the Salkinds & Pierre Spengler (producers on the film) and Donner wasn't really creative. They just didn't like each other. And the Salkinds were fucking crooks, for the most part. They were always having money problems, they were lying to people constantly, and at some point, as the relationship between Donner deteriorated (again, not based on the quality of the work, just based on how much it was costing) they began looking for whatever means they could to undermine him, and jettison him as soon as possible. The post-production on Superman: The Movie gave them that opportunity, and they took it.

Basically: Donner's getting cut out of Superman II was done as a malicious, cost-cutting endeavor primarily to fatten their own pockets via cheaping out on the sequel.

I have a hard time believing Kennedy & Kasdan are engaging in a similar sort of situation with Lord & Miller, and it doesn't make sense for them to ask Howard to come in and basically reshoot something like 50-60% of what Lord & Miller did for the sole purpose of getting their name off the credit block. It certainly won't be saving them any money to do so.

Especially not in the time frame they're apparently still shooting for. Yesterday I thought it was done deal they're pushing it back (maybe not December, but SOMEWHERE later down the calendar) but now I'm thinking they're really gonna stick to that May date.

And if they are, Howard simply isn't going to have enough time, even IF Lucasfilm had the will, to contribute to erasing Lord & Miller's name from the project.
 
Unique aspects like what? Han Solo being 96? The bad guy being a brat instead of a badass?

Honestly man it's something we've all been over so many times it would be damn near comedic to hit it up again. Not to be rude or anything like that, it's just not something I really care to argue about anymore.
 
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