Buttermilk
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I think he was talking about the "best" experience.
Thurott: $299 version of Xbox v.Next will come with a $15/mo XBLG sub, not $10
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I think he was talking about the "best" experience.
Ninja Moomin
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ClovingWestbrook
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Yea... Thats the PC.
Even if I had the 500 dollars, I'd probably get the subsidized model. There isn't any way in hell I'm buying this thing at launch if there aren't at least 2 games I want for it, so I'd be paying 420 for my System and 2 games vs the 620 I'd pay unsubsidized.
By not locking up that 200 dollars up front, I can also use it for anything else that I might need (emergencies, vacations, ect). After owning the system for a year, you will have put 480 into it vs the 500 otherwise. People who pay there own bills know each month about their bills (Mortgage/rent, phone/Internet/cable, car insurance, ect). It's just another thing to plug into your budget.
By not locking up that 200 dollars up front, I can also use it for anything else that I might need (emergencies, vacations, ect). After owning the system for a year, you will have put 480 into it vs the 500 otherwise. People who pay there own bills know each month about their bills (Mortgage/rent, phone/Internet/cable, car insurance, ect). It's just another thing to plug into your budget.
polyh3dron
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holy shit.
fuck. that.
fuck. that.
UberTag
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You weren't expecting to pay $500 for a next-gen system when systems that came out in 2005 still top the sales charts at a $249 price point?
My, aren't you silly. Good thing for you that you'll have a $299 option this fall then, isn't it? Albeit one with a subscription caveat.
Which, let's face it, the current Xbox 360 has as well. I suppose instead of $249 we should say it costs $369.
I think that if you used to have a 'family' account aka more than 1 gold account on an xbox you paid more...this is saying you get those extra accounts free.
Pretty much. Basically you're paying Gold for your console, not your profile. That's what I'm guessing at least.
JrBaconCheeseburger
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People will just see $299 and instant ownership and the rest will be overlooked.
Shit will sell no doubt.
People love subsidized pricing
Shit will sell no doubt.
People love subsidized pricing
A good poster
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Considering that without Kinect this thing could probably be priced at $300-400, I don't see how your argument works.
I don't know, there's the whole roadblock of "fill out these forms while I give you the policy of your two year contract you're agreeing to."
I'm sure it'll do well, but I don't think the $299 version will be selling like hotcakes. Plus the $499 SKU will be in a majority of stores.
It used to be $99 a year for a family but they closed down the Family Pack earlier this year which means that everyone would have to buy separate Gold subs for your family members.
Now with one $15 a month sub everyone in the family will also have Gold which is a huge deal that has been ignored in this thread.
statham
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you think Kinect cost 100-200 dollars to make?
I am trying to figure out how a camera which costs Microsoft around $20-30 adds $100-200 extra retail per box
Doesn't Kinect 1 cost $50 to make? Kinect 2 could be easily double. Though probably not much more than that.
We're also talking R&D costs added to this, which people easily forget.
shinra-bansho
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JrBaconCheeseburger
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But then this kicks in
"Heck i am gonna pay for live anyway so might as well and use the extra money i am saving on other games on controllers today, $10-15 is nothing "
Karsticles
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I wonder how many "Fuck that" posts in here will turn into "Day one" posts after May 21.
Also there is extra cost inside the console that is the result of Kinect. I won't get specific, but the audio chip that VGLeaks recently detailed is certainly a part of that. We're talking dollars, not pennies per part.
Also, people tend to forget what consoles actually cost to make, distribute/ship/localize/etc. This past generation, with Microsoft and Sony's pricing, has thrown off everyone's perceptions. Let me repeat: The PS3 cost Sony over $900 at launch, and the Wii U cost Nintendo more than $350 at launch.
How would simplifying the IR sensors, removing the bulky packaging, removing the redundant co-processor, a good chunk of PCB, the motor, the fans, etc equate to costing twice as much?
A good poster
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I'm not implying their cost of manufacture, but the market cost. A Xbox SKU sold with a separate Kinect 2 would still cost $500 combined, but the console's cost would be $300-400.
Winterfang
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Does the current contract Xbox, includes Netflix with that monthly payment or just Live?
That all depends on how what we hear tallies with what we have heard from various sources so far.
That's not how it works
A good poster
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How does it work then? Are you telling me it wouldn't be cheaper?
If that's true, then I guess it wouldn't.
shinra-bansho
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I imagine the intent of your comment is to suggest "these things are expensive, people."
But if anything, regardless of the PS3's expensive build, its launch price has skewed people's perceptions and expectations towards higher prices.
There doesn't seem to be anything to suggest these upcoming systems will have exorbitant build costs relative to the PS3 at launch.
I would expect Microsoft's decision to price at $500/$300+24x$15 is towards launching at profit, or guaranteed eventual profit, per unit. Rather than rely on the old razor and blade model, where there's no guarantee that software royalties will recoup loss-leads on launch systems.
And I'm still at a loss as to what exactly could be so expensive about the Wii U.
BlazingDarkness
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Potentially dumb question, but how does the subsidy stuff work, do you need to have a credit check and whatnot to get the contract? I know you do for phones, is it the same process?
It would be cheaper, but nowhere close to $100 cheaper. You remove $20-30 BOM from a system in an industry that typically has negative launch margins and what do you get?
Even though I expect positive margin at launch, I really do not expect it to be $100-200 huge
Maybe $5-10.
Winterfang
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I'm guessing is not difference than to getting a cellphone contract. Except you are paying for the Xbox Live service instead of a Data one.
UberTag
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My argument works perfectly fine.
The PS4 won't have Kinect and it's going to be $449-499.
The tablet
You have screens, extra PCB, redundant ram and CPU and/or GPU as well as the entire assortment of other materials required
Mind you I have not seen a breakdown of the internals
xaosslug
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so then it would be deposit or no deal, for people with bad/no credit? Harsh.
Winterfang
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It's not harsh is just how it works. You always have the option to buy it use after a while, just like with cellphones.
LiquidMetal14
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And it's still a rip off. And the stand alone phones cost 500+ for high end models.
I don't feel like paying over and above that for a console.
This is Microsoft. The sub deal will be US-only for a very, very long time.
UberTag
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I suspect America's Hat will have it, too.
Microsoft should really make a push for an aggressive pricing strategy in mainland Europe unless they just want to surrender that market to Sony again.
rudieboy77
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I bet it will be at least that, putting that much GDDR ram is not going to be cheap. They are not going to be selling these as a major loss leader. Given what I have read I can't imagine Sony can afford to sell these a very large loss.
Also XBL cards are tax exempt, so I'd imagine so would a monthly payment. (For those counting taxes toward the complete cost of the console)
Winterfang
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It's not mandatory is just an option. No everyone can afford the 400-500 bucks the new console will have upfront.
WOOSH
Honestly I doubt MS have made any sort of line in the sand internal price points yet. But $499 so £379 seems ridiculous for a games machine and £209.99 for a sub model seems also hellish outlandish, should be cheaper over a longer length of contract. Eg. £74.99 with a 48 month contract @ £10 pm
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