Titanfall requires Origin.

Dinjooh said:
Does Origin still have the thing where you no longer own the games after 3 years or so of inactivity?
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That's not in the TOS...

Wthermans said:
The general gaming community has zero balls and will gladly defend anti-consumer practices to get their next fix of interactive entertainment.
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DRM in general is anti-consumer, why do I need steam to play most games? Why do you have zero balls and let Valve and other publishers get away with it?

Stallion Free said:
Before activision they left EA lol

Why they would ever come back is a mystery
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Because they wanted MONEY. That's all the fallout was about. They wanted more money for their work and Activision didn't want to pay so they went to court to get paid and moved on.

If Activision had paid up, Titanfall would be a Call of Duty game.
 
soultron said:
I don't work for EA so don't laugh me out of the building on this one;

How do we know that Origin implementation for Titanfall will be terrible, exactly? It might start off on the wrong foot (hell, I bet Titanfall is going to run into all sorts of MP issues its first week) initially, but it could eventually be the Origin game that isn't totally awful.
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True, but I've got the pitchfork right here ready to be lit when the time comes.
and it will come.
 
pushBAK said:
Rofl. As if Origin was the devil or something. Origin is fine. It was hated just like Steam was it launched. People will learn to cope, then eventually love it for being the future.
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Yes...we did hate Steam when it launched. EA had almost a decade to learn from the mistakes of early Steam, and still made many of the same mistakes.
 
Forgive my ignorance since I've never used Origin, but wasn't the big complaint against it the fact that it was basically spyware? Or did that all get fixed?
 
aeolist said:
would you like to make an argument or are you just going to throw words at me and try to sound smart?

valve has already generated competition with their own storefront by letting developers generate as many codes as they want for steam games and sell them through other retailers, and they've said time and again that their end goal is to remove themselves even further from the equation by making steam a generic publishing API that anyone can build a store with.

competition is needed to drive prices down and keep abusive corporate practices in check. neither of those apply in this case.
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Read y edit and those terms generally suffice. Valve controls those keys they hold your games ransom and they proven this fact before. Generally the less competition a product has the more audacious a company is. We're already starting to see this. Precisely what happens when a company with an iron gripe hold starts to leverage that fact. It isn't pretty.

They hold your games ransom when they change the EULA, I repeat not even Origin does this.
 
Yep, knew this was coming, confirming that I won't buy it.

EA is well within their rights to make it Origin-only, but I refuse to support it
 
Shark Johnson said:
That's not in the TOS...



DRM in general is anti-consumer, why do I need steam to play most games? Why do you have zero balls and let Valve and other publishers get away with it?
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Steams DRM is far less intrusive as Origin. For starters, Valve doesn't ban you for forum posts. Origin does.

But hey keep thinking you can't choose the lesser of two evils.
 
that's a lost sale from me!

the less drm organizing software in my system the better (i have 6 free origin games i still haven't activated cause of my EA boycott!)
 
Not as much of a problem to me now as it used to be.

I hate EA and would rather use Steam, yeah, but not enough that I'm gonna deny myself a game I really wanna play because of it.

All I need from Origin is controller support sso I can just launch it straight from BPM.
 
aeolist said:
you can publish DRM-free games through steam, it's up to each individual developer
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Origin too, though. I don't need to launch Origin to play my The Witcher 2 copy I got from there, just boot the game, the launcher will come up and I can play, no Origin required.
 
aeolist said:
the attitude "hey there's nothing wrong with origin, stop shitting on it" is so bizarre to me and i can't understand why people don't get it

it doesn't matter that it's fine, steam is already established and everyone has their libraries and friends lists there. origin has to be way beyond just OK to justify its existence and guess what? it's fucking not, by a long shot

also nobody should ever trust EA with any amount of control over their games
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Hey man it's Titanfall bro. Gotta play my fps games and stuff. Who cares about the service as long as I get my mech shooter experience brah.

:p
 
Origin is good enough for me. I actually like its interface better and the way it updates. It lacks the sales and big picture mode of steam but it's good. Now Uplay and gamefly...,those are soft peices of shit.
 
Principate said:
Read y edit and those terms generally suffice. Valve controls those keys they hold your games ransom and they proven this fact before.
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[citation needed]

nowhere have i heard that valve restricts the number of keys you get, every post i've ever read on the subject says the opposite
Generally the less competition a product has the more audacious a company is. We're already starting to see this.
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[citation needed]

valve has continued to add more features and in fact gotten better about certain aspects of digital rights through family sharing
 
Jtwo said:
True, but I've got the pitchfork right here ready to be lit when the time comes.
and it will come.
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I've always been a wait-and-see type of person, especially (x999) with multiplayer games.

I find buying Day 1 is an invitation to get burned, frustrated, and waste a bunch of time trying to connect when servers are getting toasted.
 
soultron said:
I don't work for EA so don't laugh me out of the building on this one;

How do we know that Origin implementation for Titanfall will be terrible, exactly? It might start off on the wrong foot (hell, I bet Titanfall is going to run into all sorts of MP issues its first week) initially, but it could eventually be the Origin game that isn't totally awful.
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Battlefield 3, SimCity, Battlefield 4.

The track record is already in place and I will not be burned again.
 
aeolist said:
you can publish DRM-free games through steam, it's up to each individual developer
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All games should be DRM free. That's the absolute best for consumers. Why are people willing to accept one but condemning those that accept the other?

Wthermans said:
Steams DRM is far less intrusive as Origin. For starters, Valve doesn't ban you for forum posts. Origin does.

But hey keep thinking you can't choose the lesser of two evils.
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Why should I have to chose any evil? I mean, I don't want to have zero balls over here or anything.
 
aeolist said:
[citation needed]

nowhere have i heard that valve restricts the number of keys you get, every post i've ever read on the subject says the opposite

[citation needed]

valve has continued to add more features and in fact gotten better about certain aspects of digital rights through family sharing
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They don't restrict the keys but they end up on their store which they have control over. That's still a monopoly, regardless how you twist it.

And yet if they decided to change the EULA you decline you can't access your games I wonder why.
 
Mrbob said:
2) Origin doesn't have a second level of security and your account can be compromised more easily. I've already had my Origin account stolen once due to Sim City release. Can't wait until someone tries to jack my account to play TitanFall..
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I had to phone a support to change my email address a year ago, seems like very good second level of security.

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Chindogg said:
Battlefield 3, SimCity, Battlefield 4.

The track record is already in place and I will not be burned again.
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Yeah, server problems of a game are fault of shop client - what?
So every game with servers problem on Steam are Valve's fault? Thats Your logic?
 
i'm not saying the valve is perfect and unimpeachable in their conduct

but the idea that we need competition from EA to save us from the evils of gabe newell is so hilariously stupid i find it hard to believe that even gaffers are spouting it
 
KillerMan91 said:
Well to me it's pretty anti consumer too to embrace Steam monopoly in digital gaming market. As much as I hate EA for some of their past fuck ups I have never unterstood the Origin hate. More competition the better.
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I'd rather games not be tied to any distribution platform. Valve is almost as bad as EA about that. The main difference is I actually like their distribution platform, so it's a little less grating. Still terrible for posterity, though.
 
No issue at all with me, I don't mind Origin one bit and with the recent "close Origin when you exit an Origin game" option its even better. Set it up so it starts up in the background when you start your Origin game, then it exits Origin in the background when you close the game

Its basically a download manager again if you want it to be.
 
Chindogg said:
Battlefield 3, SimCity, Battlefield 4.

The track record is already in place and I will not be burned again.
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What does that have to do with the Origin application? All of those games use a browser for MP, don't they? Seems like you're ignorant to what Origin really is.
 
DrSlek said:
Yes...we did hate Steam when it launched. EA had almost a decade to learn from the mistakes of early Steam, and still made many of the same mistakes.
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EA never had a chance to learn from the mistakes of Steam because they didn't build Steam. The only way Steam has gotten to the point its at now is through a decade of iteration. Thats the only way to build an online marketplace of that caliber. EA just wasn't the company to build it. If they were, they would have.

EA is trying to provide a solution to a problem thats already been solved for most people. Why do they want to solve it? Because theres a lot of control that comes from being a steward of a platform like that. But a platform like that only becomes more than the sum of its parts under a very specific set of circumstances. Mostly its right place, right time followed by year after year of iteration. Origin will never be anything more than it is now. Maybe I'm cynical but I think it to be true. Its just another initiative that will eventually peter out over time. People forget just how far Steam has come. Its taken a decade of service to build up the amount of trust people have in their service. And the majority of that ultra-goodwill has only come about in the last 3 or 4 years. Thats why this sucks. Its a restrictive system that exists to allow EA to exert more control over its customers- but it offers no benefits while doing so.

To be honest I kind of doubt EA even considers Steam their competition. Digital Distribution is just the way things are now. And everyone from the smallest indie dev to the largest corporations are rolling their own solutions. Its just that some suck more than others.
 
Not shocking news. At all.

If someone is a lost sale just because it's Origin, then it's a loss for the customer, not them.
 
aeolist said:
i'm not saying the valve is perfect and unimpeachable in their conduct

but the idea that we need competition from EA to save us from the evils of gabe newell is so hilariously stupid i find it hard to believe that even gaffers are spouting it
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It's called competition and prevention of a monopoly. Seriously. It's not difficult. What do you lose by EA's competition, more incentive for Valve to do better and the odd game requiring the installation of Origin (The horror).

Monopoly is rarely a good thing for consumers it leads to stagnation and in the worst case a great ramp up in anti consumer practices. Is the slight convenience really worth that?
 
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