Titanfall requires Origin.

Woo-Fu said:
You don't have any less rights with Origin than you do without when it comes to EA software. You get the same LTU(License To Use), you just don't get the media kit.

People think that because they've bought a media kit that they own the software. You don't. You own a license to use the software, a license that is only yours under the publisher's terms, which you typically agree to when installing/running the game for the first time.
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You're trying to argue that Valve and EA have historically shown the same commitments to continued support on older games? What if EA closed origin tomorrow? Valve have at least promised to continue to support games until they close up shop if /when that happens
 
SwiftDeath said:
Yes but my reasoning is why I have yet to buy a battlefield that was on Origin or any other origin locked title. The discussion was why someone might be opposed to origin over steam and why it ppcan be explained rationally.
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That argument works if you're talking about buying games on Steam over Origin. It doesn't work though when you're talking about Origin exclusive games.

You won't ever own the game, even temporarily now. Even if EA shuts down the server five years down the road, you deprived yourself of a videogame due to that worry and never experienced it I the first place.
 
I can't imagine being willing to pick up a game day one, willing to spend money on it, willing to spend time on it, being genuinely excited for it, and then immediately deciding to skip it because it uses Functional Launcher B instead of Great Launcher A.
 
I bought Mass Effect 3 CE on PC day one.

Titanfall is nothing by comparison.

Withthat being said, no intention of jumping in day one. Infamous & MlB will tide me over April/May, and hopefully there's a price drop by then.

Hopefully.
 
Pray For Death said:
I find it more worrying that some people would only buy the game if it were on Steam
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I'll buy the PC version whether it's on steam or in some hole in the ground retailer (or even EA's digital store). What I don't want is origin or different clients that don't one up Steam. I don't got time for that.

sorry
 
Echoenigma said:
If it's competition then why is it worse at everything? If EA actually made a great rival service then I don't think anyone would be complaining.
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Yep, competition would mean not locking their games on to Origin because people might affirmatively choose Origin. They know people won't so they won't give people the option.

I find all these arguments about "Origin works" to be so ridiculous. Is that how low the bar is for something to enter your life? That it works? Lots of things work, but that doesn't mean I want to add more clutter to my already busy life. Hotmail works, but I don't use it and Gmail. Bing works, but I don't use it and Google. In each case, I choose the one with the most value to me. If Origin added something to the equation, maybe it would be worth having around, but the only definitive benefit it provides is to EA in the form of saving the 30% cut.
 
Expected.

Origin runs fine on my PC and I can launch them from Steam....durrrr.


Couldn't care less about this obvious "news".
 
Had massive issues with Origin while I played Battlefield 3 and Mass Effect. I'm not going through that again, Titanfall can wait.
 
NBtoaster said:
Origin isn't bad. It's nothing more than a client that launches some games for me. A minor inconvenience at worst.
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Agreed. It doesn't have my large Steam library, but it has always launched my games. Probably because I didn't really own any PC EA games until last year. I'm sure EA did the whole cost analysis of keeping it on just their platform vs. potential customers on other game launcher clients. Or this is just their "vision" of keeping their library in-house with the force of a new IP. TBH I'm just glad it's releasing on PC at all.
 
SwiftDeath said:
You're trying to argue that Valve and EA have historically shown the same commitments to continued support on older games? What if EA closed origin tomorrow? Valve have at least promised to continue to support games until they close up shop if /when that happens
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Can you point out where in the Steam TOS where this is said?
 
Jarmel said:
That argument works if you're talking about buying games on Steam over Origin. It doesn't work though when you're talking about Origin exclusive games.

You won't ever own the game, even temporarily now. Even if EA shuts down the server five years down the road, you deprived yourself of a videogame due to that worry and never experienced it I the first place
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How about I don't support a company that doesn't show they have any intent on supporting their games or service long-term?

Besides I can simply buy many of their games on consoles and while they have their own form of lovely on-disc DRM, I can still play almost all of them offline for as long as the hardware supports it. I don't buy any game that requires an always online requirement unless it makes sense (i.e. MP only game)
 
irishcow said:
I use origin every day to play BF4 and have had no problems with the origin client. BF4 on the other hand...lol
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Yeah, this is basically my problem. Origin doesn't cause any problems for me, but Battlefield 3 and 4 utterly refuse to connect to multiplayer games on the wired connection in my dorm. I've tried every possible fix, nothing works.
 
Why can't devs negotiate some kind of clause. Supporting Origin is supporting EA and EA is not exactly in my good spirits despite their solid Origin phone support and me having BF3/4.

Another dev who succumbs and limits the potential of a game on PC.
 
SwiftDeath said:
How about I don't support a company that doesn't show they have any intent on supporting their games or service long-term?

Besides I can simply buy many of their games on consoles and while they have their own form of lovely on-disc DRM, I can still play almost all of them offline for as long as the hardware supports it. I don't buy any game that requires an always online requirement unless it makes sense (i.e. MP only game)
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So your issue is with EA.
 
SwiftDeath said:
You're trying to argue that Valve and EA have historically shown the same commitments to continued support on older games? What if EA closed origin tomorrow? Valve have at least promised to continue to support games until they close up shop if /when that happens
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If EA decided to turn off Origin they'd release patches for any of their currently-selling games that were on the service. Anything else would be business suicide.

Furthermore if EA decides to turn off the Titanfall servers do you think it matters if the game was on Steam or not? It would be dead either way. Valve isn't hosting the servers for most of the games on Steam, you know?

You don't have a problem with Origin, you have a problem with EA.
 
ramuh said:
Agreed. It doesn't have my large Steam library, but it has always launched my games. Probably because I didn't really own any PC EA games until last year. I'm sure EA did the whole cost analysis of keeping it on just their platform vs. potential customers on other game launcher clients. Or this is just their "vision" of keeping their library in-house with the force of a new IP. TBH I'm just glad it's releasing on PC at all.
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Indeed it could have easily been an xbox exclusive, of course we're part of few people in this thread actually interested in playing the game...
 
Zeyphersan said:
For real, I would LOVE GoodOldGames to make their own launcher or something, cause right now my desktop is fucking cluttered with all their icons. I don't have an issue with programs consolidating my games, I have more of an issue with my hard-drive being the fucking wild west. If it takes one more program besides Steam to accomplish that, I welcome it.

Edit: Actually, that's a REALLY good test. If GOG were to come out tomorrow and say "Hey, we have a new client! It's Steam-like, with a library you can sort through and all that jazz!" Who would be revolting as bad as people are in this thread?

Barely anyone, that's who. I can see it so clearly.
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https://support.steampowered.com/kb_article.php?ref=2219-YDJV-5557

You can add non-steam games to your steam library.

Perfect for stuff like DRM free GoG games. For stuff like Titanfall I assume adding a shortcut in steam to it would just launch the Origin client though so it'd be somewhat pointless.
 
LiquidMetal14 said:
Why can't devs negotiate some kind of clause. Supporting Origin is supporting EA and EA is not exactly in my good spirits despite their solid Origin phone support and me having BF3/4.

Another dev who succumbs and limits the potential of a game on PC.
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Isnt EA the publisher on this? Even if it were DRM-free and a download from AOL.com Keyword Titan you would be supporting EA.
 
LiquidMetal14 said:
Why can't devs negotiate some kind of clause. Supporting Origin is supporting EA and EA is not exactly in my good spirits despite their solid Origin phone support and me having BF3/4.

Another dev who succumbs and limits the potential of a game on PC.
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EA is the publisher. There's nothing to negotiate here, when Respawn signed with EA they give all of those decisions away. Buying this game is supporting EA, whether you use Origin or if it was sold on Steam, or if it were sold DRM free on GOG, buying Titanfall is supporting EA.
 
The best part of this is that everyone is ignoring the fact that Valve made Steam mandatory for HalfLife 2 and Counterstrike. That's how they got people on to Steam in the first place. By locking their games to Steam. Even if you bought it as a disc.

"Valve's Half-Life 2 was the first game to require installation of the Steam client to play, including for retail copies. This decision was met with initial concerns both on the requirements of the software and software ownership, and issues with overloaded servers previously demonstrated through Counter-Strike."

Seriously, are folks that daft? EA is literally following the same path as Steam.
 
LiquidMetal14 said:
Why can't devs negotiate some kind of clause. Supporting Origin is supporting EA and EA is not exactly in my good spirits despite their solid Origin phone support and me having BF3/4.

Another dev who succumbs and limits the potential of a game on PC.
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Even if Titanfall was on Steam buying the game would be supporting EA.

How is a game requiring Origin any more limiting than a game requiring Steam?
 
water_wendi said:
Isnt EA the publisher on this? Even if it were DRM-free and a download from AOL.com Keyword Titan you would be supporting EA.
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Archaix said:
EA is the publisher. There's nothing to negotiate here, when Respawn signed with EA they give all of those decisions away. Buying this game is supporting EA, whether you use Origin or if it was sold on Steam, or if it were sold DRM free on GOG, buying Titanfall is supporting EA.
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Maybe I jumped the gun but as much as I like EA in some regards I hate limiting a game and not putting it on Steam.

Of course I will live but I can voice that opinion even if it won't mean a thing in the end.

Zornack said:
Even if Titanfall was on Steam buying the game would be supporting EA.

How is a game requiring Origin any more limiting than a game requiring Steam?
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Kind of put myself in a corner there but my main issue is definitely with the game not being on Steam and EA being a big part of that reason. Resentment lies in that and not as much as me not wanting to support them since I did buy BF4 recently.
 
I really think people just hate origin because they can - I haven't had any troubles with it. Granted I don't have that many games on it, but this game is being published by EA, and there are no new games on Steam - where did they think it was going to go.

I actually like Vince's retort to the tweet.
 
ITT: "boycotters".

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Dolor said:
Yep, competition would mean not locking their games on to Origin because people might affirmatively choose Origin. They know people won't so they won't give people the option.
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This is such a cute comment. How did you think Valve introduced Steam? By giving people the option to purchase Half Life 2 and play Counter Strike without it?

The amount of hate Valve received because of Steam during HL2's launch because of Steam makes this anti-Origin sentiment that people have look like a hissy fit.
 
SwiftDeath said:
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I can't find the article I was thinking about on the topic but I have to go out. I'll be back in a couple hours to revel in this comment being picked apart.
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Do you have something thats actually legit? The name of the tech is blurred out for fucks sake. Something on Valves website? In the TOS or Eula? An official statement?
 
Cybit said:
The best part of this is that everyone is ignoring the fact that Valve made Steam mandatory for HalfLife 2 and Counterstrike. That's how they got people on to Steam in the first place. By locking their games to Steam. Even if you bought it as a disc.

"Valve's Half-Life 2 was the first game to require installation of the Steam client to play, including for retail copies. This decision was met with initial concerns both on the requirements of the software and software ownership, and issues with overloaded servers previously demonstrated through Counter-Strike."

Seriously, are folks that daft? EA is literally following the same path as Steam.
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I don't think people are outright ignoring that, but recognizing the differences between the two situations:

Valve stepped into a mostly empty DD marketplace and eventually built up a very useful, value-added service that had benefits for basically everyone.

Origin's greatest accomplishment is not being actively offensive to some people. They don't have anything remotely comparable to Steam's community and overall user experience. EA is using the same basic tactics to promote origin, but rather than going into uncharted territory, they're trying to replicate Valve's success by offering some of the same features while also keeping their games off of a popular service that pretty much every other publisher is fine with.
 
SwiftDeath said:
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I can't find the article I was thinking about on the topic but I have to go out. I'll be back in a couple hours to revel in this comment being picked apart.
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That makes sense, because otherwise, the 3rd party developers / publishers would sue Valve into oblivion. Valve would be shutting down access to games run, created, and controlled by other people. Valve isn't doing it out of the goodness of their heart, they're doing it because they'd be sued into oblivion otherwise.
 
Persona7 said:
Bloatware? If anything steam is bloated and slow compared to Origin
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I have zero issue with either clients functionality, both run quick and are effective at what they do. I still classify Origin as bloatware due to the fact its not needed... Its just another client I have to download when these games could be on Steam (Steam was first afterall).

There was once a time EA did put their games on Steam, but then decided it would be a good idea to do their own thing. So now I have as many as three of these digital distribution clients running at a time: Steam, Origin & Battlenet (although Battlenet is a choice since I can get all of Blizzard's games in a standalone version and simply launch them through Steam as a 'Non-Steam Game')... but that option is quite difficult with EA games when they force you to use a client nobody ever wanted.
 
Kazama Sogetsu said:
ITT: "boycotters".
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Bad example and out of context. Modern Warfare 2 was the beginning of the end for the CoD franchise on PC. While it might have sold well, CoD started falling off due to customer dissatisfaction. COD Ghosts is now like the 20th most played on Steam currently, whereas it is still huge on consoles.

Scary part is the geniuses behind the terrible ideas in MW2 for PC are also making TitanFall. I'm expecting a straight console port without any PC specific features. Which is way worse than being Origin exclusive.
 
SwiftDeath said:
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I can't find the article I was thinking about on the topic but I have to go out. I'll be back in a couple hours to revel in this comment being picked apart.
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Lol. Is this referring to them taking the steam check-in out so you can play it offline forever?
 
Orayn said:
I don't think people are outright ignoring that, but recognizing the differences between the two situations:

Valve stepped into a mostly empty DD marketplace and eventually built up a very useful, value-added service that had benefits for basically everyone.

Origin's greatest accomplishment is not being actively offensive to some people. They don't have anything remotely comparable to Steam's community and overall user experience. EA is using the same basic tactics to promote origin, but rather than going into uncharted territory, they're trying to replicate Valve's success by offering some of the same features while also keeping their games off of a popular service that pretty much every other publisher is fine with.
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Which is fair enough there's literally thousands of companies that do this. Hell console wars exist explicitly for this reason.

Why is this some sin now.
 
Orayn said:
I don't think people are outright ignoring that, but recognizing the differences between the two situations:

Valve stepped into a mostly empty DD marketplace and eventually built up a very useful, value-added service that had benefits for basically everyone.

EA is using the same basic tactics to promote origin, but rather than going into uncharted territory, they're trying to replicate Valve's success by offering some of the same features while also keeping their games off of a popular service that pretty much every other publisher is fine with.
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To be fair though, Steam took 5 years before it even had its first friends functionality (or any non-purely sell games functionality), and 3 years after beta launch (called beta but required for CS, so wasn't really a beta) before it had its' first third party title. Steam was made primarily as a way to push patches out, add online DRM, and deal with counter-strike cheating (CS cheating was the biggest reason tbh). The 3rd party publishing thing sorta happened accidentally.

Don't feel like Origin has gotten 5 years to develop any functionality beyond selling things.

Also, you can get Titanfall in non PC ways - couldn't with HL2 for several years afterward.
 
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