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[Ludicrous Speed]

For all those saying they're not buying it because it's on origin I'm calling bullshit. You either had no intention of buying it before or you'll STILL buy the game.

Origin exclusive games have still sold well, even those that released broken (BF4).

 

[Opiate]

I'm not bothered by Origin, but I hate this sort of talk. You make it sound like "gamers" are uncontrollable addicts with no sense of control. "You'll come around, like the mindless sheep you are."

Come on man.

I definitely agree that the language can be taken to an extreme, but I do think it's reasonable to say that self identified "gamers" have a very low price elasticity of demand.

In non-economic terms, that means that they will buy these games even at $90, let alone $60. They will buy the games even with restrictive policies or limited functionality.

 

[Turin Turambar]

I'm not bothered by Origin, but I hate this sort of talk. You make it sound like "gamers" are uncontrollable addicts with no sense of control. "You'll come around, like the mindless sheep you are."

Come on man.

Internet talk is cheap, that's what happens.

 

[richardhawk]

I'm not bothered by Origin, but I hate this sort of talk. You make it sound like "gamers" are uncontrollable addicts with no sense of control. "You'll come around, like the mindless sheep you are."

Come on man.

Remember all the people that "boycotted" Modern Warfare 2 for not having dedicated servers?

Yeah.

 

[Barack Lesnar]

Great news, and expected! Origin is very light, snappy and has a nice UI.

The Origin client is objectively better than Steam from a software standpoint. It all of the features Steam has, it has more features than Steam, and it's updated often with new features requested by the community. While the Steam community begs for critical updates that take half-decades to arrive (such as bandwidth shaping), Origin applies updates within weeks. Origin also consumes significantly less resources, and no, it does not spy on you. ... It used to, but they legitimately removed that part of the client a long time ago.

But then there's the Origin service itself. The Origin service allows you to return games for a full refund. The Steam service does not.

Origin's userbase/community is extremely small. Steam's is not.

The Origin service's "sales" and selection are awful. Steam's are not.

At the end of the day, Origin is the better client for single player enthusiasts (the majority of NeoGAF), but--understandably!--there are those who are simply boycotting EA products for which this does not matter.

Feel free to boycott Origin, but do not claim that the client is lesser than the Steam client. It's absolutely not!

Excellent post, by the way. Lays out the pros & cons of both. One thing missing is Origin doesn't have achievements like Steam, but Steam's achievements kind of suck.

 

[Omega]

Great news, and expected! Origin is very light, snappy and has a nice UI.


Excellent post, by the way. Lays out the pros & cons of both. One thing missing is Origin doesn't have achievements like Steam, but Steam's achievements kind of suck.

The newer games have achievements, don't they?

 

[Barack Lesnar]

The newer games have achievements, don't they?

Holy shit, do they? What are they like? I haven't bought an EA game in a while so I'm out of the loop.

 

[Contra11]

Question .. does Valve take royalties on games that sold on steam and how much ?

 

[Omega]

Holy shit, do they? What are they like? I haven't bought an EA game in a while so I'm out of the loop.

I haven't bought much either. Mass Effect 3 has the same achievements as console versions though.

I just assumed newer games would have them, I could be wrong though

 

[Spookie]

Question .. does Valve take royalties on games that sold on steam and how much ?

30% I think.

 

[MrCompletely]

But he's right. 99.9% of gamers talk with their mouth/hands instead of their money. They complain and bitch and whine and moan--and then they buy it anyway because they have no willpower.

Its not a lack of willpower, its that these issues are so overblown. In the end, did it really matter that MW2 didn't have dedicated servers? Will it really matter that Titanfall requires Origin?

No.

 

[SaltyMeatballs]

Lol @ Zampella's tweet.

The guy he is replying to is so full of shit, we hear this crap all the time.

 

[Cru]

Holy shit, do they? What are they like? I haven't bought an EA game in a while so I'm out of the loop.

Weird thing is that BF3 has achievements but BF4 does not.

 

[Big_Al]

I would have preferred to have Titanfall on Steam but I don't really mind having it on Origin if there's no choice tbh. It's never really given me problems in the last few years and thankfully I already have a lot of folk on my friends list due to Battlefield. Now if it had been on something like GFWL I'd be running the other way....

 

[Massive Nights]

Holy shit, do they? What are they like? I haven't bought an EA game in a while so I'm out of the loop.

Weird thing is that BF3 has achievements but BF4 does not.

Battlefield 4 just got them yesterday. I think they're identical to the console achievements.

 

[Contra11]

30% I think.

huh its only an online store and they take as much as sony&ms take on there consoles
no wonder why big publishers want to sell their games on their own store

 

[gravitybear]

huh its only an online store and they take as much as sony&ms take on there consoles
no wonder why big publishers want to sell their games on their own store

exactly. steam takes 30% of every sale made. If I were a publisher, I would want my own online sale interface too. 100% of digital sales is way better than 70%.

The reason steam is still a good deal for most publishers though is that, at retail, they usually only get 40-50% after retail and distribution costs are cut out.

Steam is basically the same model as itunes, which is also why I think record labels are stupid too. They could be making ALL of that money instead of 70% if they just didnt have their heads up their asses circa 2001.

 

[Deleted member 22576]

Steam is basically the same model as itunes, which is also why I think record labels are stupid too. They could be making ALL of that money instead of 70% if they just didnt have their heads up their asses circa 2001.

You really think that Beyonce album would have moved that many copies if they just dropped it on EMI's proprietary lock in service nobody likes and at the very best are neutral towards? As opposed to the service people actively use and appreciate every hour of their waking lives? I don't even know if EMI published that, I'm just saying.


They wouldn't making ALL that money, they'd be making 100% of a third of those sales.

 

[Alvarez]

Its not a lack of willpower, its that these issues are so overblown.

I both agree and disagree with this.

Games being on Origin isn't a big deal.

Games being on GFWL was a big deal. I once spent two hours trying to get Bioshock 2 to work back when it still used GFWL. The game had been out for years and the problem had never been fixed.

Ridiculous amounts of DLC is not an overblown issue. Take games like Mass Effect 3 and Final Fantasy XIII-2 for instance: These games are virtually incomplete without their (hilariously expensive, never-on-sale) DLC.

Bad ports are a legitimate issue, and anyone who says otherwise has never played the PC versions of Dark Souls, Resident Evil 4, Chrono Trigger PSX, Myst 3 for PS2, etc. Bad ports can make games unplayable.

Games having DRM is not a big deal. Most applications of DRM are non-invasive and not troublesome in the least. The only bad DRM I can name off-hand is GFWL. Ubisoft's uPlay is second on that list, but it's not a bad DRM--it's just very annoying.

Microsoft wanting to exploit its consumers in every possible way? That's a legitimate issue, especially considering they currently work with the NSA and are not legally required to inform you whether the Xbox One will forward any of your data to the NSA.

I think gamers bring up more legitimate issues than overblown ones.

 

[WarpathDC]

It's EA. In other news the sun also rose today. I don't get the Origin hate other than having to go to a game specific site each time but I only play SWTOR on their as well as BF3. I largely prefer steam but it's an EA product so this is not a shocker.

 

[SocksForWoks]

I don't care, Origin isn't anymore annoying than Steam.

 

[daniels]

I never intendet to buy titanfall since its blatantly, disgustingly and really obviously forced down our throats by journalists/marketing as the "next big cod thing".
But now with Origin...... i am especially never gonna buy it

 

[gravitybear]

You really think that Beyonce album would have moved that many copies if they just dropped it on EMI's proprietary lock in service nobody likes and at the very best are neutral towards? As opposed to the service people actively use and appreciate every hour of their waking lives? I don't even know if EMI published that, I'm just saying.


They wouldn't making ALL that money, they'd be making 100% of a third of those sales.

No what I'm saying is the record companies should have formed a cartel and made the equivalent of itunes before apple made itunes. It was a missed opportunity. Instead of making a platform that created value and encouraged legitimate digital sales, they spent their resources (effort and money) into suing people who downloaded their music illegally.

Complete missed opportunity.

 

[Freeza Under The Shower]

we can make claims about which client is better, but the fact is that we are not even allowed to make that choice ourselves, so the whole point of arguing becomes moot by default.

Not that I am interested in this game in particular, but I'm getting tired of EA using exclusivity as a trojan horse for something a lot of people don't want. Put in other words: just give me the goddamn fish, not the whole store.

 

[Deleted member 22576]

No what I'm saying is the record companies should have formed a cartel and made the equivalent of itunes before apple made itunes. It was a missed opportunity. Instead of making a platform that created value and encouraged legitimate digital sales, they spent their resources (effort and money) into suing people who downloaded their music illegally.

Complete missed opportunity.

Forming a cartel is essentially what happened, but apple was the cartel leader.

 

[TheD]

Remember all the people that "boycotted" Modern Warfare 2 for not having dedicated servers?



Yeah.

Yeah, because one screen of a steam group is really representative of all the members of said group /s

The Origin client is objectively better than Steam from a software standpoint. It all of the features Steam has, it has more features than Steam

No, it does not, not even close.

 

[PairOfFilthySocks]

I dunno about all the other people saying they won't get Titanfall because of this, but speaking personally, I'm not getting it simply because it's on Origin. I've no problem buying from just about any other digital distributor(except for Ubisoft's irritating and pointless uPlay service) but trusting EA with your digital library is like dangling your nuts over a blender.

 

[Wiktor]

I dunno about all the other people saying they won't get Titanfall because of this, but speaking personally, I'm not getting it simply because it's on Origin. I've no problem buying from just about any other digital distributor(except for Ubisoft's irritating and pointless uPlay service) but trusting EA with your digital library is like dangling your nuts over a blender.

Even if it would be sold on Steam it would still get pulled from it when EA would abandon the game.

 

[Mechazawa]

Even if it would be sold on Steam it would still get pulled from it when EA would abandon the game.

A game in your library on Steam doesn't magically disappear into the ether when a publisher takes it down from the store.

 

[kudoboi]

A game in your library on Steam doesn't magically disappear into the ether when a publisher takes it down from the store.

steam has removed a game from user libraries before. in this case they did it because the servers shut down. i imagine even if simcity 2013 was put on steam it would get removed from user libraries in 3 to 5 years when the servers shut down

http://www.forbes.com/sites/erikkai...e-order-of-war-challenge-from-user-libraries/

 

[Wiktor]

A game in your library on Steam doesn't magically disappear into the ether when a publisher takes it down from the store.

It's multiplayer-only game, if EA closes serves Valve would remove it from both sale and your library, as it would be impossible to play the game.

 

[Mechazawa]

It's multiplayer-only game, if EA closes serves Valve would remove it from both sale and your library, as it would be impossible to play the game.

That's not strictly true. The PC has modding communities and that often leads to crazy shit. For instance, if you decided to boot Modern Warfare 2 up today, between the standard matches with the remaining populations, you'll often be "redirected" to custom servers of people playing Gun Game.

Plus, what would be the point of locking out access to content you purchased, even if it's not "officially" playable? There isn't even really a precedent for th-

http://www.forbes.com/sites/erikkai...e-order-of-war-challenge-from-user-libraries/

...yo what the fuck.

 

[vazel]

It's multiplayer-only game, if EA closes serves Valve would remove it from both sale and your library, as it would be impossible to play the game.

Star Wars Galaxies is still in my library despite the official servers having been shut down. And good thing that I can still download the game because I need the files in order to play SWGEmu.

 

[Kaleinc]

I don't care, Origin isn't anymore annoying than Steam.

One client is better than 10 even if they are not so annoying.
(steam, origin, uplay, desura etc - overkill)

 

[Mass Effect]

But he's right. 99.9% of gamers talk with their mouth/hands instead of their money. They complain and bitch and whine and moan--and then they buy it anyway because they have no willpower.

I definitely agree that the language can be taken to an extreme, but I do think it's reasonable to say that self identified "gamers" have a very low price elasticity of demand.

In non-economic terms, that means that they will buy these games even at $90, let alone $60. They will buy the games even with restrictive policies or limited functionality.

Internet talk is cheap, that's what happens.

Yes I understand that a lot of "gamers" are full of shit much of the time, but at the same time I think it's a bit unfair to say that everyone here who says they're against this are just weak and will cave eventually.

Also, all of you quoting me realized the redundancy of my previous post (uncontrollable/lack of control).

Remember all the people that "boycotted" Modern Warfare 2 for not having dedicated servers?



Yeah.

Yes, I do remember that. Wasn't there also a L4D2 boycott?

 

[carterd1981]

I have no issues with Origin. I own about 8 games on Origin. I don't know whether to get this for Xbox One or PC for the PC goodness though.

 

[Lunaniem]

steam has removed a game from user libraries before. in this case they did it because the servers shut down. i imagine even if simcity 2013 was put on steam it would get removed from user libraries in 3 to 5 years when the servers shut down

http://www.forbes.com/sites/erikkai...e-order-of-war-challenge-from-user-libraries/

This was the only time a game has been removed even after servers have gone down and it was due to Square Enix, not Valve.

 

[npa189]

Key EA title requires origin? I am shocked! shocked! At this point I just begrudgingly take it; BF3, BF4, Need for speed, mass effect 3, dead space 3 (yuck) have all required origin. EA just does not want to give 1 dime to valve.

 

[SocksForWoks]

One client is better than 10 even if they are not so annoying.
(steam, origin, uplay, desura etc - overkill)

Personally I prefer PC games without having to use any type of client.

But times have changed : (

 

[Serra]

I don't really care, Origin has worked fine for me.

 

[Crisium]

A minor inconvenience.

 

[KJ869]

From other games I know amazon.com games activate fine on my origins account, but im wondering how do new releases work, when theres staggered release between eu and USA like in case of titanfall when thers 2 day difference.

WIll it work fine or will it take 2 more days to unlock because my account is not set to usa?

 

[Freki]

From other games I know amazon.com games activate fine on my origins account, but im wondering how do new releases work, when theres staggered release between eu and USA like in case of titanfall when thers 2 day difference.

WIll it work fine or will it take 2 more days to unlock because my account is not set to usa?

The unlock time depends on your up ip.
On a completely unrelated note - I heard there are VPNs to South Korea...

 

[Dmented]

exactly. steam takes 30% of every sale made. If I were a publisher, I would want my own online sale interface too. 100% of digital sales is way better than 70%.

The reason steam is still a good deal for most publishers though is that, at retail, they usually only get 40-50% after retail and distribution costs are cut out.

Steam is basically the same model as itunes, which is also why I think record labels are stupid too. They could be making ALL of that money instead of 70% if they just didnt have their heads up their asses circa 2001.

They could still put it on Steam and Valve would take 0. They just have to sell it on Origin but provide a Steam key if wanted. Valve does not take a 30% cut from games sold outside of Steam's store.

 

[Gestault]

The Origin client is objectively better than Steam from a software standpoint. It all of the features Steam has, it has more features than Steam, and it's updated often with new features requested by the community. While the Steam community begs for critical updates that take half-decades to arrive (such as bandwidth shaping), Origin applies updates within weeks. Origin also consumes significantly less resources, and no, it does not spy on you. ... It used to, but they legitimately removed that part of the client a long time ago.

But then there's the Origin service itself. The Origin service allows you to return games for a full refund. The Steam service does not.

Origin's userbase/community is extremely small. Steam's is not.

The Origin service's "sales" and selection are awful. Steam's are not.

At the end of the day, Origin is the better client for single player enthusiasts (the majority of NeoGAF), but--understandably!--there are those who are simply boycotting EA products for which this does not matter.

Feel free to boycott Origin, but do not claim that the client is lesser than the Steam client. It's absolutely not!

This matches my experience after recently installing Origin to redeem some of the Origin Humble Bundle. The client itself is slick, and the digital return policy is something I think every digital marketplace should eventually have moving forward. I don't really use it much though.

 

[Gestault]

No, it does not, not even close.

What do you think are some of the shortcomings of the current Origin client?

 

[jem0208]

Does this really make a difference?



Origin is actually pretty good...

 

[BraXzy]

I never intendet to buy titanfall since its blatantly, disgustingly and really obviously forced down our throats by journalists/marketing as the "next big cod thing".
But now with Origin...... i am especially never gonna buy it

This is such a juvenile stance to take. Of course it is being forced by Marketing, sure Journalists might be overenthusiastic about it but they usually are about the next big thing. That's why you don't just take journalist/marketing's word for it and actually form your own opinion.

The game is good, it doesn't matter if Journalists say it is, isn't, might be, could be tomorrow.. Basing your purchases and opinions on the way people talk about it is so pointless, especially if you haven't played it. Fair enough if you aren't a fan of shooters, or multiplayer only but I mean.. it's like saying ooh I'm never boarding a plane because journalists are pushing it as the "next quick way to get around".

 

[TheRealTalker]

who doesn't have an Origin account by now
:/
as much as we hate it

 

[MrGreencastle]

Origin doesn't bother me whatsoever. In fact, I mostly like it more than Steam since it's not a bloated piece of shit. Steam sales are great and all, but it seems like the software has mostly stagnated for years. Origin just get's out of the way.