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TokuGAF 2016 |OT| Fantastic Beasts and Ghostly Beats

Sandfox

Member
I never got the love for Wizard's fighting scenes. They were generally so one sided there just wasn't much to them. The only ones I really remember enjoying were the Wizard vs Phoenix match ups and then Wizard vs White Wizard near the ending.

It's been years, but I remember them standing out.
 

Debirudog

Member
Sadly, Sota Fukushi (Gentaro) is too big now for something like that to happen.

Fuck, he was such a cutie. -w-

it's always the really talented actors...how ironic, a toku show propels them to popularity but then they can't play the role that pretty much rockets them to stardom. It's not their fault but...ugh.
 

Boss Doggie

all my loli wolf companions are so moe
Now that I think about it, there is relatively no strictly space Sentai. The closest was Flashman and even then it was more of a recurring character background than the actual theme.
 

A Pretty Panda

fuckin' called it, man
I never got the love for Wizard's fighting scenes. They were generally so one sided there just wasn't much to them. The only ones I really remember enjoying were the Wizard vs Phoenix match ups and then Wizard vs White Wizard near the ending.

It was all kung fooey and shit where as previous series were boring gorilla swings.
 
We got a bunch of info on ZERO -DRAGON BLOOD from Tokusatsu Network.
http://tokusatsunetwork.com/2016/09/zero-dragon-blood-info-trailer/
Once more he returns.
The man by the name of Rei Suzumura, also known as… ZERO.
In the all new Garo series, -DRAGON BLOOD-
Featuring the high school girl heroine, Shin Aoshima!
Mary Matsuyama, Yuria Haga, and Taka Guadacanal also make an appearance!
The long-awaited announcement of the main cast, teaser trailer, and the lifting of the production non-disclosure!
And a trailer.
https://youtu.be/wV1nsCbTNhc
 
Playing Genesis on my Vita. Fairly fun - disappointed that I can't just stay in Ultimate forms longer than a few seconds and some of the characters feel limited as fuck, but it's hitting all the fanboy parts in me.

And on another tangent, really aching for some Amazon 2017 news. Like, badly.
 

javadoze

Member
That's a shame as I was digging the design.

Is it better than Wizard at least? I've watched most of the heisei riders (outside of Hibiki) and I felt wizard is the weakest entry so far

I almost feel compelled to say yes. Both shows have their weird problems, but I feel Wizard had higher highs and lower lows while Ghost was mostly middling.
 

Jeffrey

Member
We got a bunch of info on ZERO -DRAGON BLOOD from Tokusatsu Network.
http://tokusatsunetwork.com/2016/09/...-info-trailer/
And a trailer.
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The man by the name of Rei Suzumura, also known as... ZERO.
In the all new Garo series, -DRAGON BLOOD-
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The man by the name of Rei Suzumura, also known as... ZERO.
In the all new Garo series, -DRAGON BLOOD-
Featu . . .

hope Rei jobs less.

W/e happened to kouga anyways. stuck in time or something.


And man ultraman orb was some hot story beats this week.
 

Tiu Neo

Member
Now that I think about it, there is relatively no strictly space Sentai. The closest was Flashman and even then it was more of a recurring character background than the actual theme.

Changeman design was very space inspired too, with the Shuttle Base, and some plot points, but it wasn't the main point of the series. Bioman had some light elements, but it was pretty much because of Platet Bio.

I hope it's either something new, or a modern take on sentai from that era. Zyuohger is a step on the right way, I feel, but Sentai needs a bigger shakeup - be it something new or a return to its roots.

At least I hope for better villains. The Deathgallien got weak ass after the first 10 or so episodes, got a bit better with The World, and then has done nothing since Bunglay showed up.
 

Boss Doggie

all my loli wolf companions are so moe
heh, one of the rockruff evolutions, the sun woof, has Accel Rock

switching from Fatal Fury name to Faiz
 

Boss Doggie

all my loli wolf companions are so moe
Heh, I really enjoyed the implications of Zoo 29.

not only Gokaiger didn't overtake the ep, it showed that the current team can actually stand on their own, and even showed that Yamato was pretty strong

usually even with a balanced crossover, you'd have one team still being above the other, usually the older one

EDIT:

Watch this shit. Man the mecha toys are really great even as far back as Battle Fever J!
 

Tiu Neo

Member
Heh, I really enjoyed the implications of Zoo 29.

not only Gokaiger didn't overtake the ep, it showed that the current team can actually stand on their own, and even showed that Yamato was pretty strong

usually even with a balanced crossover, you'd have one team still being above the other, usually the older one

EDIT:

Watch this shit. Man the mecha toys are really great even as far back as Battle Fever J!

The BFJ Mecha even has all the weapons the mecha gets from nowhere, hahaha. This is great.
 

WarRock

Member
Zyuohger 27-29 = why is this show so good and, damn, keep coming back you pirates. Super Sentai Hero getter is the best, been singing it the whole week.
ZyuohWhale looks so good, I hope the whole team gets a visual upgrade like it )=

About the crossover itself, I really like how they used the older team to highlight the current without recurring to them overpowering random enemies (Whale's debut notwithstanding). It showed a lot about the characters themselves. And how can you dislike Doc sitting on the top of the chair inside the mech or Luka staring down Sela.

The last 15 minutes are some of the best Kamen Rider content ever filmed. The rest sucks.
No lies detected!

At least the OST (bar no insert songs makes me sad) is always really nice with these shows, Ghost's is out and it's really nice---there's a cool rap song made of the Eyecon jingles by m.cat that's pretty tight.
This is where I complain about how a lot of GREAT tracks from the Wizard OST were used once or twice the whole show.

I never got the love for Wizard's fighting scenes. They were generally so one sided there just wasn't much to them. The only ones I really remember enjoying were the Wizard vs Phoenix match ups and then Wizard vs White Wizard near the ending.
Pretty sure I made a somewhat long post about this in one of the older threads. It was really flashy, different from any other toku with all the flips, multiple sword styles, the need to focus in different types of strikes (elbow and palms) thanks to the main toy (rings), and, at the early parts of the show, they conveyed a lot about each element and character through it. Everything was thrown under the bus for random flip kicks while reverse handling the sword after 15-20ish episodes though. Still looked better than the average modern Rider but yeah, it was all flash and no substance. (Then Infinity happened and what the hell, they still made that look like the most overpowered final form ever.)
 

Debirudog

Member
Hmmm...midway through in Gokaiger and it seems like they're breaking away from just using other Reds as the guest. That's a good thing in my book.
 

vareon

Member
Pretty sure I made a somewhat long post about this in one of the older threads. It was really flashy, different from any other toku with all the flips, multiple sword styles, the need to focus in different types of strikes (elbow and palms) thanks to the main toy (rings), and, at the early parts of the show, they conveyed a lot about each element and character through it. Everything was thrown under the bus for random flip kicks while reverse handling the sword after 15-20ish episodes though. Still looked better than the average modern Rider but yeah, it was all flash and no substance. (Then Infinity happened and what the hell, they still made that look like the most overpowered final form ever.)

DragoTimer is really good, generally the Dragon form fights are great.

I actually like the way Mugen Ghost fights when he's weaponless. Or just when he phases around just to show his ghostly concepts. But when he took out a weapon it's just the usual gorilla swings.
 

Boss Doggie

all my loli wolf companions are so moe
Hmmm...midway through in Gokaiger and it seems like they're breaking away from just using other Reds as the guest. That's a good thing in my book.

technically SPD sorta did it with Doggie being more focus than Ban but yeah.

From what I heard the tsunami caused more appearances than what they planned.
 

WarRock

Member
Drago Time worked great the first 2 or 3 times, yeah. After that was just an excuse for each colored Wizard do a different flip before the mooks died.
 

Jeffrey

Member
garo hd seems pretty bare bones outside of giving garo armor a bit more reflection.


I still wish they'd mix it up a bit. They are running out of ways of showing how humanity is terrible and miserable!

They also need to bring back some 'power ups' again like the first season had the horse, giant sword, and the cape?
 
Is Garo really popular, seems like they always have a new project or 2 in the works.

Garo is the only "adult" toku. Early Heisei Kamen Rider messed in the fringes of kids-to-adult, but right now, Garo is it.

A-desert-oasis-in-Libya.jpg
 

Jeffrey

Member
gokaiger vocal less theme is still soo good.


is gokaiger the last sentai that the Red didn't get every single powerup?


Don't really remember many powerups in that season period outside of gold mode with silver.
 

vareon

Member
early heisei isn't even really fringe adult

it's just more soap-opera-ish

Kuuga had people dying on screen and some even deal with the consequences, not to mention Grongi straight up kill people for shit and giggles. If not for Godai's overwhelmingly positive attitude I'd say it's strictly for adult.

You don't have much choice in Tokusatsu series aimed at adult audience (as opposed to Tokusatsu adults can enjoy). On top of my head, in the last 10 years we have:

- Garo series
- Akibaranger which is much more niche adult
- Ultraseven X which nobody remembers
- Gouraigan which is kinda middling?
- Kamen Rider Amazons

I might miss some series and didn't include movies like Gatchaman or Cutie Honey.

Out of them, only Garo is long lasting and Amazons showed prospect of a long series (if they are interested in making a spinoff rider show for adults).
 
There's Kamen Rider Amazons too which is getting a season 2 next year.

I honestly think that's why Amazons is doing so well. Nothing much out there.

early heisei isn't even really fringe adult

it's just more soap-opera-ish

In the Kuuga/Agito/Ryuki/Faiz era, you could sort of squint and ignore the toys and whatnot. Blade and the first half of Hibiki are transitionary, with a foot in both sides. Kabuto on, the shows really embrace the toyetic nature and drop many of the soap opera aspects. The only real difference seems to be the TV Asahi producer, but I can't really speak to any strong changes behind the scenes. NeonZ is more versed in that detail.
 

Boss Doggie

all my loli wolf companions are so moe
People dying is pretty common in toku though, even in Sentai back then

I just feel it's more of a style of them being soaps, hence why you could ignore the toys
 

vareon

Member
I haven't bought Sentai mecha toys myself, but do they always come as a set or separate?

The initial combination are always a set, after that it's separate. Keep in mind that some, like Zyuohking, only comes with the very initial combo, in this case Cube 1-2-3.
 

WarRock

Member
gokaiger vocal less theme is still soo good.


is gokaiger the last sentai that the Red didn't get every single powerup?


Don't really remember many powerups in that season period outside of gold mode with silver.
Everybody got a POWERED MORPHIN' in GoBus.
 

Tiu Neo

Member
gokaiger vocal less theme is still soo good.


is gokaiger the last sentai that the Red didn't get every single powerup?


Don't really remember many powerups in that season period outside of gold mode with silver.

ToQ had one power up shared by all the members... but Red used it the most, so it wouldn't surprise me if people forget that.

And then he had those alternative forms on the last few episodes... Yeah.

Ninnin also had the same thing, but 99% of the time it was red using the power up. In both series, the girls didn't really get to use the power up, unless it was for a joke.
 

Boss Doggie

all my loli wolf companions are so moe
well to be fair C01's its own mecha like Dairanger, so i guess there's that. And that each of the mecha G02 and R03 can transform into their own thing.

I wish more Sentai have that armament style mecha.

Speaking of which, DaiZyuJin/Classic MegaZord is overrated, DaiRenOh/Thunder MegaZord is better
 

Jeffrey

Member
well to be fair C01's its own mecha like Dairanger, so i guess there's that. And that each of the mecha G02 and R03 can transform into their own thing.

I wish more Sentai have that armament style mecha.

Speaking of which, DaiZyuJin/Classic MegaZord is overrated, DaiRenOh/Thunder MegaZord is better

I like both. Got both 'legacy' figures.


Gobusters was soo good, where each form had its purpose and is used fairly frequently across the show.

Still bitter it never made it to the US. It's in the same discarded bin as ToQ, and that ain't right.
 

Jeffrey

Member
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So level 1 goes to level 2... A LA BLADE!

Also dat Mario finisher

more like... aikatsu lol.

has videogames ever been a 'thing' in toku? I don't feel like ive seen kids play videogames in sentai or what not.
 
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