Tom Brady's Suspension Appeal News

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The Albatross said:
I'm not better than this!

I disagree with you that probably "knowing about deflating footballs" is worse for the product of the NFL than it's storied history of domestic abuse. I have a hard time thinking that Ray Rice, Greg Hardy, and Adrian Peterson have not done a lot more damage for the NFL product than Brady probably knowing about deflated footballs. The product of the NFL is not just what's on the field.

But, even regardless of the off field issues, the penalty conflates PED use with probably knowing about deflated footballs. That's certainly a strong condemnation by the league.
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And let's not forget that "probably" is based on horrendously botched "science."
 
The Albatross said:
I'm not better than this!

I disagree with you that probably "knowing about deflating footballs" is worse for the product of the NFL than it's storied history of domestic abuse. I have a hard time thinking that Ray Rice, Greg Hardy, and Adrian Peterson have not done a lot more damage for the NFL product than Brady probably knowing about deflated footballs. The product of the NFL is not just what's on the field.

But, even regardless of the off field issues, the penalty conflates PED use with probably knowing about deflated footballs. That's certainly a strong condemnation by the league.
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They did more damage to the brand. He is the sole one who knowingly cheated.

Can you understand this distinction?
 
The Albatross said:
I'm not better than this!

I disagree with you that probably "knowing about deflating footballs" is worse for the product of the NFL than it's storied history of domestic abuse. I have a hard time thinking that Ray Rice, Greg Hardy, and Adrian Peterson have not done a lot more damage for the NFL product than Brady probably knowing about deflated footballs. The product of the NFL is not just what's on the field.

But, even regardless of the off field issues, the penalty conflates PED use with probably knowing about deflated footballs. That's certainly a strong condemnation by the league.
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while we're on the subject, ray lewis is on TV all the time.

ray lewis killed a guy. I SEENT IT.
 
Acerac said:
They did more damage to the brand. He is the sole one who knowingly cheated.

Can you understand this distinction?
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Wait.. PED use is not knowingly cheating? Also, let's just be sure we're agreeing to what the Well's report stated. Tom Brady probably knew about deflated footballs. That's basically the conclusion of the report, not Tom Brady deflated footballs, Tom Brady knowingly cheated, Tom Brady knowing deflated footballs which is cheating.

Actually, the language is worth restating:

"Tom Bray was at least generally aware that Patriots staffers more probably than not deflated footballs."

Let's just go with what's in the report.
 
TheDrizzlerJ11 said:
Wife beaters should be handled by the court. A company should not punish you for what you ALLEGEDLY did on your own time that doesn't really affect the company. Especially a monopoly like the NFL. Why should these guys get sentenced twice? Why should I lose my job in an industry where there is one company because of what somebody accuses me of. Why the fuck do we even have courts?
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Yes they do, as it does affect the public perception of the brand if the Company does nothing to its employee, regardless if its on the field or just in your private life, reason why You see people losings their Tv Shows/Jobs/Movie roles over Racist remarks. when you are a public figure what you do in your private life has as big effect on your employer and the reason why Athletes do get suspended for what they do off field,
 
The Albatross said:
But just by his team. Correct me if I'm wrong, the NFL did not suspend Hardy last season. Same with Peterson for the Vikings... Those were team suspensions. I might be wrong, but It hink Greg Hardy still received his $13million salary. So, sure, his team benched him for 2015, but still paid him $13million -- which he wouldn't have gotten had the NFL suspended him.
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correct, the NFL didn't do shit regarding Hardy and left an organization with a clear conflict of interest to handle it.
 
greepoman said:
Not even that. Wells said in an interview initially he only requested paper copies which could be pre-selected by his lawyer and they wouldn't even cooperate with that. I mean I can understand not handing over your phone but why not paper copies of texts you decide?
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Wait, how would that even work? If nothing had happened there would be nothing to hand over and there would be no way to comply.
 
Whatever.

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Jimmy Garoppolo will make ovaries around the nation quiver and help the Pats get to the super bowl while Brady forces the NFL to realize they made a very expensive mistake.
 
TheDrizzlerJ11 said:
Wife beaters should be handled by the court. A company should not punish you for what you ALLEGEDLY did on your own time that doesn't really affect the company. Especially a monopoly like the NFL. Why should these guys get sentenced twice? Why should I lose my job in an industry where there is one company because of what somebody accuses me of. Why the fuck do we even have courts?
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Normally I would agree with you if you're shoveling rocks for a living making $9/hour, but one of the unfortunate requirements of high profile athletes is that there are minimum expectations that they're not going to be complete garbage human beings. They perform on the field for 16 Sundays of the year, show up for practice, give an interview or two to the press, and then they're expected not to throw their girlfriends on a stack of guns and drag her by her hair around the house. As long as they fulfill these minimum requirements, they're paid around $10,000,000/year of profits generated by the fans of the NFL.
 
The Albatross said:
Normally I would agree with you if you're shoveling rocks for a living making $9/hour, but one of the unfortunate requirements of high profile athletes is that there are minimum expectations that they're not going to be complete garbage human beings. They perform on the field for 16 Sundays of the year, show up for practice, give an interview or two to the press, and then they're expected not to throw their girlfriends on a stack of guns and drag her by her hair around the house. As long as they fulfill these minimum requirements, they're paid around $10,000,000/year of profits generated by the fans of the NFL.
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I like you. you're good people.
 
In reference to the NFL confirming with a Federal court (Not my post):

I am a practicing lawyer also and whoever is advising Brady isn't giving him good legal advice. First, as Richlaw said, a Federal Court is highly unlikely to overrule the NFL's decision unless Brady can show the NFL acted capriciously and arbitrarily. Great deference will be given to the NFL because there is a CBA in place.

As for a temporary injunction, that is a pipe dream. It is highly UNLIKELY that a Federal Court will grant a temporary injunction. To obtain a temporary injunction, Brady must establish two elements. First, Brady has to show that he will suffer irreparable harm if an injunction is not granted. Brady can't meet that burden because Brady can be made whole at the end of the case without an injunction -- for instance, if the suspension is overturned at the end of the case, the NFL will be required to pay Brady's game checks for the 4 games for which he was suspended. Thus, he can be made whole without an injunction. Second, Brady has to show that there is a great likelihood of success. Given the state of the record, he can't make that showing either. In addition to the prima facie evidence of cheating, the record is clear that he intentionally destroyed evidence and obstructed the NFL's investigation. Thus, it is highly unlikely that he could demonstrate that the NFL's decision to suspend him was arbitrary and capricious. He's done folks. He is not playing week 1. Nor is he playing in weeks 2, 3 and 4.
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There is no question that Mr. Brady declined to make available to investigators electronic information, including text messages and emails, related to the subject of the investigation. He did so despite repeated requests for such information and notwithstanding the investigators' offer to allow his counsel to select the responsive communications so that privacy of his personal communications could be maintained.
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http://static.nfl.com/static/content/public/photo/2015/07/28/0ap3000000504265.pdf (p. 11)
 
Caja 117 said:
Yes they do, as it does affect the public perception of the brand if the Company does nothing to its employee, regardless if its on the field or just in your private life, reason why You see people losings their Tv Shows/Jobs/Movie roles over Racist remarks. when you are a public figure what you do in your private life has as big effect on your employer and the reason why Athletes do get suspended for what they do off field,
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I'd almost be okay with that if it wasn't for the monopoly distinction. It's amazes me how my fellow Americans want even more of an oligarchy. I understand where you're coming from but I disagree with it. Your line of thinking is dangerous and undermines our legal system.





PED use is a completely different animal as the NFL doesn't actually care about it and no1 with a brain really views it as cheating.
 
MechDX said:
Scott Soshnick ‏@soshnick · 13m13 minutes ago
BREAKING: @NFL asks federal court to confirm Tom Brady suspension. Complaint filed in Manhattan #sportsbiz #NFL #preemptivestrike
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NFL's lawyers are smarter than Brady's.

Brady probably has a celebrity lawyer. The NFL has CIA lawyers.

Guess who's going to win this case?
 
ISWThunder said:
yes, but the NFL had a hand in the negotiations and it doesnt change the face that he sat 15 games.
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that the NFL left the decision to the team Hardy played for is what's truly baffling. it's times like those where the NFL needs to come in and take that responsibility out of their hands.
 
TheDrizzlerJ11 said:
I'd almost be okay with that if it wasn't for the monopoly distinction. It's amazes me how my fellow Americans want even more of an oligarchy. I understand where you're coming from but I disagree with it. Your line of thinking is dangerous and undermines our legal system.
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Don't the players themselves agree to the terms via a morality/whatever 'contract'?
 
For what it's worth, I'm kind of glad that Goddell and the NFL stuck to their suspension. I'm disappointed it's for Tom Brady, the star QB for my favorite team in the league, and for something that I consider such a ridiculous story, but I'm glad they stuck to their guns for once.

I'm disappointed, though, that we have to deal with months more of this story.
 
Brady throwing a hissy fit all the way to court. Fitting. His arrogance won't let things stand at the expense of any amiable link to the common populace outside the confines of New England. A cheater now and forever, cemented by vox populi.
 
TheDrizzlerJ11 said:
Wife beaters should be handled by the court. A company should not punish you for what you ALLEGEDLY did on your own time that doesn't really affect the company. Especially a monopoly like the NFL. Why should these guys get sentenced twice? Why should I lose my job in an industry where there is one company because of what somebody accuses me of. Why the fuck do we even have courts?
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Uh, why the all caps "ALLEGEDLY"? Everything else aside, the Wells report simply said "more likely than not" and it has had its methodology hammered fairly hard by quite reasonable sources. I'm honestly not sure what the truth is but that's far from being caught red handed.

We have a situation where the NFL had an utterly bizarre ball management policy given we want to treat this as such a big deal right now. The default punishment for over and under inflated balls was a tiny fine. It most likely would have gone nowhere outside of a massive media push that got almost all the facts wrong initially and made the situation sound much more extreme than it turned out to be.

I should also point out that the idea that someone can be a fair arbitrator of an appeal on a ruling they made themselves is a bit terrifying to me.
 
phanphare said:
that the NFL left the decision to the team Hardy played for is what's truly baffling. it's times like those where the NFL needs to come in and take that responsibility out of their hands.
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It's pretty amazing how much leeway they have. I know that these are complicated issues, especially because the league is so high profile, but I dont think anyone could guess what suspension a given player would receive.
 
The courts give lots of deference to CBAs.

Brady is going to have a hell of a case to prove that the NFL randomly decided to punish him well beyond the 'acceptable' bounds of the CBA.

Especially with the new evidence of phone destruction (holy shit Smith was right)
 
Cheaters gonna cheat.

Also, cheaters gonna destroy any evidence to hide said cheating. Every once in a while, cheaters gonna get caught cheating and/or destroying evidence of said cheating. And yet, cheaters gonna still have some fans defend them to their dying breath.

Never change Pats. Never change.
 
The NFLPA's defense of Brady will have to include that the person who reviewed the client's appeal was also the person who handed down the initial punishment.
 
The rise of Jimmy
Brady got Brady'd , just like he did to Bledsoe the God ;)

That phone thing is bullshit , everything isn't saved on the phone, trace those messages back, they do it people in court all the time 0_o


But still, * i don't care, super bowl W still stands B^)
 
The Albatross said:
The NFLPA's defense of Brady will have to include that the person who reviewed the client's appeal was also the person who handed down the initial punishment.
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Why? That's exactly what they agreed to in the CBA. From a legal standpoint they are totally up shit's creek on this point.
 
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