[Tom Warren] Microsoft Expands Full Screen Experience to MSI Claw models; Additional OEMs in the coming months
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Magic Carpet
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How many buttons does the XFSE require? I assume you got Start Select and a third one that can be used to bring up the gamebar.
Seems like each manufacturer should have a tab in the gamebar for hardware specific stuff, led's controls, button remapping, yada yada.
Seems like each manufacturer should have a tab in the gamebar for hardware specific stuff, led's controls, button remapping, yada yada.
Punished Miku
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Cool. I wasn't sold on the price point for the Ally X but I guess I can keep an eye on some other stuff.
LectureMaster
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Xbox Full Screen Experience, expand to other handhelds!!! Hail almighty Xbox!!!
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Tobimacoss
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Likely because AutoSR is supposedly coming next month alongside the Handheld Optimized store tags and Play Anywhere partner event. MSI 8 AI is the only other mainstream handheld on the market with an NPU needed for AutoSR. So they needed to get on board first.
EverydayBeast
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Microsoft loves to make changes and want you to buy their shiny new handhelds.
RetroGamingUK
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All Windows devices will soon have this option once Windows 11 25H2 update releases, it's just a toggle in Settings.
With MSi getting it early though, will the join ASUS in making Xbox branded PCs?
With MSi getting it early though, will the join ASUS in making Xbox branded PCs?
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VolticArchangel
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Emergency shilling for extra pay.
ChorizoPicozo
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How is this update going to break Windows 11?
Mister Wolf
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RetroGamingUK
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Tobimacoss
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That's a nice performance boost, should get even better with the Handheld Optimized games and AutoSR.
ShaiKhulud1989
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So it's basically a prep-work for Xbox PC down the line.
RetroGamingUK
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Yes it's the "console style experience layered on top of Windows 11" Jez Corden described below
Any Windows device will be able to run it one day
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Tobimacoss
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The device will run a more locked down Windows 12? Sure. However, we don't yet know if the Xbox Full Screen Experience is what will run on the Consoles. XFSE is designed for handhelds, it may not translate well to large 4k screens, readability issues etc.
MS could simply use the existing Xbox OS Shell as an Overlay. Basically tailor different experiences for different form factors.
buenoblue
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I installed it on my og rog ally z1e. I like it. It's better than the default windows but you do still have Asus armoury crate which is weird. Though games icons from steam are tiny weird icons inside a bigger grey box in the xbox app. If I can get proper box art that would be great. System does seem snappier over all. Easy to switch apps and games if needed. Weirdly the black level and contrast seem better too, as if the hdmi range was mismatched before.
Oh and when I push the power button the system sleeps and wakes up properly even mid game so you can resume where you left off which is great. Did a 74w battery mod at the same time and it feels like I have a new handheld
Oh and when I push the power button the system sleeps and wakes up properly even mid game so you can resume where you left off which is great. Did a 74w battery mod at the same time and it feels like I have a new handheld
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Not sure if related to this, but MSI was the other company besides ASUS that I know was interested in doing "Xbox PCs"
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
If they can get it to a good enough state by 2027 that it retains a decent amount of performance back, that'd be swell.
RetroGamingUK
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XboxOS dies with Xbox Series consoles.
You're over complicating this. XFSE on Win11 is the one size fits all gaming UI going forward for handhelds, desktops and their so called "console".
Tobimacoss
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I think Dell (Alienware) and HP (Omen) will likely join once Intel/Nvidia APUs release and the handheld form factor matures. Or they skip straight to Qualcomm handhelds for differentiation. Alienware UFO concept handheld was introduced to CES 2020, 2-3 years before the Steam Deck and ROG Ally.
As for Xbox PCs, Dell even sells Xbox games and accessories, I'm sure they will join in.
RetroGamingUK
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As long as they use an AMD chip that supports BC they'll be entitled to that Xbox sticker.
Tobimacoss
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I'm not talking about Xbox OS, I'm talking about the Shell that creates the UI/UX. Xbox OS is simply Windows NT kernel, and the shell. They could just add that shell onto Windows 12. The GDKX games run inside a Type 1 hypervisor (low level VM). So doesn't matter which OS runs the games as its all controlled by the Windows NT kernel.
We don't yet have full confirmation that the consoles will run XFSE, so you can't make such a claim without proof. Even Jez Cordon didn't claim that. He just said Console interface on top.
MS already has a slightly different experience for xCloud PWA that runs on browsers and Samsung/LG/Fire TVs.
Console shells have to deal with more technologies that XFSE doesn't worry about, regarding multimedia capabilities.
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Mr Hyde
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The new updates that MS and Asus has done to Armory Crate and Windows makes my ROG Ally X much more intuitive and console like. It's very easy now to boot into Steam or Gog, control almost every aspect with the controller, turn it off or put it in hibernate. Booting into Big Picture straight from the controller is really nice and makes dealing with Windows a tad bit better. You can also access the control panel with the controller and mess around with your power profiles and settings, which makes docked play on tv or monitor so much better. They aren't quite there yet but the new UI and interface is leagues better than what it was previously. Huge improvement 
StereoVsn
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Ooh, I should give this a shot too. Already have the battery mod and 2TB drive.I installed it on my og rog ally z1e. I like it. It's better than the default windows but you do still have Asus armoury crate which is weird. Though games icons from steam are tiny weird icons inside a bigger grey box in the xbox app. If I can get proper box art that would be great. System does seem snappier over all. Easy to switch apps and games if needed. Weirdly the black level and contrast seem better too, as if the hdmi range was mismatched before.
Oh and when I push the power button the system sleeps and wakes up properly even mid game so you can resume where you left off which is great. Did a 74w battery mod at the same time and it feels like I have a new handheld
Thebonehead
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The new updates that MS and Asus has done to Armory Crate and Windows makes my ROG Ally X much more intuitive and console like. It's very easy now to boot into Steam or Gog, control almost every aspect with the controller, turn it off or put it in hibernate. Booting into Big Picture straight from the controller is really nice and makes dealing with Windows a tad bit better. You can also access the control panel with the controller and mess around with your power profiles and settings, which makes docked play on tv or monitor so much better. They aren't quite there yet but the new UI and interface is leagues better than what it was previously. Huge improvement
I found the experience the reverse really on the Rog Xbox Ally X
None of it seems intuitive. Have to run Windows Update / Armoury Crate Update / My Asus Update to get the latest patches / firmware. They could have used Windows update to deliver all of that
I've installed a 4TB 990 Pro in the device and a 1TB UHS-II card. I have some pare time tomorrow so will dual boot Bazzite and install Batocera on the SD. Will have to play with the bootloader to chain Batocera as the device doesn't support boot from the SD slot.
I also need to test the dev branch of Batocera as the test I did with the latest image doesnt have the z1e drivers. Failing that will either have to inject or build an image from scratch which will take a few hours
Mr Hyde
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I'm talking about the regular Ally X. Not the Xbox version. I'm not running the full screen experience, just regular Windows.
Cyberpunkd
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It's so well designed that installing SteamOS on no matter which Win11 handheld gives you a 30% performance boost.
Here, I found a super secret document describing the difference between XFSE and Windows:
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Tobimacoss
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That 30% number was misinformation by a clueless youtuber who didn't mention the bug in bazzite, but ok.It's so well designed that installing SteamOS on no matter which Win11 handheld gives you a 30% performance boost.
Here, I found a super secret document describing the difference between XFSE and Windows:
DavidGzz
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Swelling as we speak.
Critical Hit
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Gameplay Gods Bless
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If I were Microsoft I'd mandate 4 back buttons like the steam deck for handhelds. Maybe even 1 track pad.
Cyberpunkd
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But it's not working at all on Xbox Ally X? All the regular Windows processes are still there.
Mister Wolf
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Dp
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Mister Wolf
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So why is Cyberpunk running better in Full Screen Experience on the same exact hardware?
Cyberpunkd
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YT link?
Mister Wolf
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I posted the video and a pic from the video already in this thread.
Critical Hit
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No, it's a testing Windows build for MSI devices (but you can install it yourself - https://www.neogaf.com/threads/tom-...s-in-the-coming-months.1689709/post-270961285)