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[Mass Effect]

I've already played the game once, and I'm rebuying it mostly for the fun of it and to boost my gamerscore a bit more, since I failed to do so with the Xbox 360. If I was as invested into PSN's Trophy as I was with Gamerscore, I would definitely buy it on PS4 instead.

Also, by Voice Commands I mean more than the in-games "Fire", etc. I mean being able to just come home and switch to this whenever I get bored of Battlefield 4/Peggle 2, and be able to snap Netflix and catch up on some shows while I mindlessly replay this for the Achievements. (bolded this because this is my main reason)

Framerate is important to me, definitely more important resolution, but since I've already played this game, I care a little bit less.


Heh. Either way, he was never wrong. Both versions do run at 30 frames... minimum. PS4 just gets double the performance.

LOL these never get old.

 

[Skeff]

There are console games with locked framerates - notably in my experience Forza 4 and Forza Horizon. Neither seemed to drop a frame. It can be done, at least to the point where a dropped frame is a complete rarity.

Variable framerate can feel shitty at times, even if the minimum is 30fps. Or it can be great. I'd rather we weren't hearing about dips, because those dips will always be downplayed pre-release.

Forza 4 occasionally drops a frame at camera changes. But Forza's are the rare 1% when I mentioned 99% of 60fps games have dips.

But my point is, that it is still not "locked", it's a silly notion.

 

[Sojgat]

 

[ShinobiFist]

Sad thing is, I still will probably buy an Xbox One, solely because I like the controller and hope Halo 5 is good. Damn my love for Halo.

Like I'm over the age now where I need the best, whether I'll notice these things. As long as Xbox One is getting Halo and gets at least some form of these multiplatforms I'll be happy. There's no way, with both having paid services I could support buying both as it is. I rarely play much.

Edit: damn, top of the page. I just can't believe how the cheaper console, is quite more powerful. If I was recommending a new console to a brand new gamer, no clue about gaming, I'd say get a PS4.

Is not sad. You like the pad and their exclusive games. Nothing wrong with that.

 

[Skilletor]

I'm relatively new to Neogaf but need to ask this question, are shills not auto-banned on here? Or are they just left to do their thing for the entertainment they provide? Reading some on these makes me almost feel smart.

Well, to be fair, Tomb Raider is a mindless game.

 

[Mumford]

Did you see his tag? He was caught flatfooted in the other thread being a confirmed Microsoft shill. These aren't his genuine opinions bro. He has to say these things.

No, I know this guy. He doesn't HAVE to say these things, you guys. He genuinely believes it, in some twisted way. I, at times, admire him, for his sincere ability to believe whatever he truly wants to believe. He loves MS, can't blame him.

I will say one thing though: 30 FPS is at least playable for many people. I'm not surprised that some people are willing to pass up the superior gaming experience for what may personally for them be the superior console experience, as Speedy himself truly believes that Xbone is superior to PS4 due to its many features I guess. It's not like the Xbone version is unplayable. Have fun with your game, bro.

Spoiler

I'll be busy playing the Definitive 60 FPS Edition on PS4 in the near future

 

[x-Lundz-x]

I didn't touch this on last gen. Is the game good? Might get it.

Amazingly so, one of the best.

 

[alr1ght]

I'm relatively new to Neogaf but need to ask this question, are shills not auto-banned on here? Or are they just left to do their thing for the entertainment they provide? Reading some on these makes me almost feel smart.

Most are banned, but it does seem some of the more outlandish ones are kept around for entertainment purposes.

 

[Man-is-Obsolete]

Microsoft's gaming division actually doesn't have infinite money. And given that the PS4 is selling more consoles than the Xbox One, if it were to leak that a publisher were intentionally gimping the PS4 version of their game, there wouldn't be a Gamestop magazine rack left upright in the entire world.

I know there is a lot of console warrior stuff on GAF, but when I want the PS4 to be the market leader this generation it is because of things like this. That and MS will be less likely to be in position to make Titanfall type deals, where the game was going to be made regardless of their involvement but they straight up bought exclusivity.

 

[Quote]

Don't worry guys, I'm on Gies-Watch

 

[Revolutionary]

Jesus @ gies

It's shockingly hilarious how misinformed he is

 

[Soi-Fong]

I'm relatively new to Neogaf but need to ask this question, are shills not auto-banned on here? Or are they just left to do their thing for the entertainment they provide? Reading some on these makes me almost feel smart.

I'd be careful to call anyone a shill here. Just let the mods handle it. Still, yes there will be some very "odd" replies here from time to time.

 

[Bsigg12]

I'm trying to enjoy some quality double IPAs over here, you can't be posting things like this while I have beer in my mouth. This was too good.

 

[Forceatowulf]

Damn, son. I really never thought such a gap would actually happen.

Jon Blow knew what was up too. I remember people getting on him when he made those comments about PS4 and X1's power difference last year...

boom

 

[Deleted member 20920]

Right but I'm not sure how someone can say that 60fps doesn't matter, 30fps is fine, when 720p30 was already "fine". The whole point of this is that it's the upgraded, definitive edition.

Yeah, higher framerates and higher resolution will always be better. I just don't get why people have the mentality that it is already enough, as if it takes some kind of extra strength or physicality on their part to experience better visuals or sounds.

 

[Linearskillz]

Seeing some link Scot Amos' quote at the 50 minute mark of the GR Twitch stream, but I think the one at 59 minutes is much better.

Regardless, it's really cool they hit 60fps on PS4. Having already played this on PC, 60fps is the best way to play

 

[Nafai1123]

correct me if i'm wrong, techni-GAF, but isn't it possible to both have an UNLOCKED FRAMERATE but also have NO TEARING?

i didn't think vsync forced the game to RUN at the same rate as your monitor's refresh rate, only paced the frames to sync up with them, even if the game isn't able to maintain a locked rate... (ie: interpolation if it dips below the refresh rate, and dropped frames if it goes above)

I believe it would need to be triple buffered v-sync to run at variable framerates. But yes, it is possible.

 

[daman824]

I'm relatively new to Neogaf but need to ask this question, are shills not auto-banned on here? Or are they just left to do their thing for the entertainment they provide? Reading some on these makes me almost feel smart.

After looking at some of his twitter posts that were linked here I highly doubt he is a shill. He just seems like an over enthusiastic fanboy. At least he isn't antagonistic and doesn't try to start things like others do.

 

[AAK]

I don't believe this...

 

[ElectricKaibutsu]

Wow. I just don't understand why someone would buy an XB1 over a PS4. It makes no sense to me. Is love of Forza that strong?

 

[i-Lo]

Don't worry guys, I'm on Gies-Watch

KZSF.... is he serious?

 

[NullPointer]

But my point is, that it is still not "locked", it's a silly notion.

Its not silly, and should absolutely be the goal. And when it comes to 30fps as a floor, it should be the absolute bare minimum.

 

[TheSinkingKnight]

So this game is like the PC version ran on high settings, right?


Off-topic: What are the odds of the game being $40 or less by the time Thief releases?

 

[funkystudent]

I like that Gies is already trying to justify stiffing the PS4 version review.

Dude is consistent with his bullshit I will give him that.

 

[Parapraxis]

Congrats NeoGaf!
We broke OPs website!

 

[No Love]

Wow, just wow. I don't know if it's just early gen "we aren't firing on all cylinders" dev issues or what, but Xbox One so far has been extremely disappointing on the performance/tech front.

I don't even know what to say. Would be really nice to have the devs chime in and give a rundown on any issues arising beyond just the difference in power.

 

[Speedy Blue Dude]

You know the mocking is getting a little bothersome, but this legitimately made me laugh, and I applaud you for the clever joke.

 

[ViciousDS]

I'm trying to enjoy some quality double IPAs over here, you can't be posting things like this while I have beer in my mouth. This was too good.

FUCK, there is soda everywhere!

I just spat out my drink.. lol

Good thing I put my drink down, lol.

Timu saved his stuff..............everything else will now drown in the abyss of liquid spatter!

 

[The Maverick]

Man. Nobody from Microsoft can show their face here. Not without feeling massive shame. What a turn of events.

Still not worth 60 though.

 

[Tabular]

It's already an achievement to hit 60. TressFX practically guarantees a fluctuation in performance on even top-end PC's.

I'm not sure the PC performance for TressFX will apply directly here. It's a custom implementation built for fixed hardware.

Crystal Dynamics executive producer comments on Tress FX on next generation consoles and how they especially optimized it to run smoothly on next generation consoles.

"TressFX was custom written and optimized for Lara this first-time out for us on Next-gen as we hadn’t ever done it before on consoles."

 

[Silky]

It's good for informing posters then don't know him or his post history before they have huge arguments with him.

Ehhhh. I couldn't care less if someone has a preference/love for something enough to judge their arguments. If you sound smart, I'll try to be smart too. I just think that kind of shit's pretty petty.

 

[Finalizer]

Thanks for the reminder. I feel dumb that I wanted to give him the benefit of the doubt early on. He was a pure, unadulterated PR spin machine for a couple of months leading up to launch. Sent only for the purpose of misleading and deceiving.

Hear, hear. Feel like a fool myself for the same reason.

 

[pretty done]

Wow. I just don't understand why someone would buy an XB1 over a PS4. It makes no sense to me. Is love of Forza that strong?

Because they have shitty friends that play on Xbox. I'd still not buy one even then though, pay more for worse experiences on every game. Not my idea of fun.

 

[GeorgioCostanzaX]

Yikes. Further solidifies my decision not to buy any multi plats on the One. Probably just not worth the extra effort for devs to try and get 60fps.

XBONE still has superior exclusives and media controls though.

 

[Soi-Fong]

Wow. I just don't understand why someone would buy an XB1 over a PS4. It makes no sense to me. Is love of Forza that strong?

Have you seen Titanfall..?

 

[Biker19]

I hope it does so that the PS4 versions of the games I buy aren't intentionally gimped just to appease poor wittle Microsoft. Microsoft does not deserve some sort of bullshit parity just because they CHOSE to run with less powerful hardware. You provide less powerful hardware, you get worse looking/performing games. That's how it works. They chose to place emphasis on media features and Kinect, not a powerful game console and now they're paying for that.

Japanese 3rd party publishers like Square-Enix & Capcom certainly won't do something stupid like that to appease Microsoft, especially when most Japanese 3rd party games like the Final Fantasy series sells better on Playstation platforms.

 

[Chobel]

Don't worry guys, I'm on Gies-Watch

How the hell can still say this bullshit? Unlocked framerates reduces input lag. Did he never hear about G-sync?

 

[Dead]

Gies twitter bitching...amazing lol.

Anyways, this cements a purchase. Can't wait

 

[jayu26]

I don't believe this...

Which part?

 

[ramuh]

After looking at some of his twitter posts that were linked here I highly doubt he is a shill. He just seems like an over enthusiastic fanboy. At least he isn't antagonistic and doesn't try to start things like others do.

I'm ok with a guy having a different opinion on the matter. It is his preference (if that is all it is) after all.

 

[Dreams-Visions]

Will be a recurring theme. To nobody's surprise.

 

[Amir0x]

Whaaa? Link?

post 472

 

[Lord Error]

Jesus @ gies

It's shockingly hilarious how misinformed he is

Yep. KZSF even has noticeably lower input lag compared to its 30FPS predecessors, and that game runs at 40-45FPS in SP and 50-55FPS in MP. He says it like it's a bad thing, when the game feels notably smoother for it.

 

[Skeff]

Its not silly, and should absolutely be the goal. And when it comes to 30fps as a floor, it should be the absolute bare minimum.

It's silly because you can't lock it. You can optimize so that it should never drop below the target framerate, but if something crazy happens it happens and it goes below.

You can lock an upper framerate but you can't lock a lower framerate.

The correct word is cap, not lock.

 

[RyudBoy]

why would there be any screen tearing? I haven't seen any in the official footage

I haven't seen any screen tearing either but the sudden news of going from a locked 30fps to an almost consistent 60 is a bit jarring to say the least, so I just wondered if they had to disable v-sync in order to hit the high frame rate. Based of what EatChildren said, there's nothing to worry about.

 

[EatChildren]

Congrats NeoGaf!
We broke OPs website!

I just wanted everyone to be happy!

 

[GHG]

So how long before Microsoft start paying Devs to not make the PS4 version of games any better than the level they reach on the xbone?

 

[prwxv3]

I like that Gies is already trying to justify stiffing the PS4 version review

The cod ghost review was not done by him but I can't imagine the shitstorm if they give the xbone version the same score as the ps4 version (if the performace is this good for the entire game of course) after they game cod ghost a lower score for ps4

 

[sn00zer]

Too bad its a game that literally came out a few months ago and is <$30 on every other system.....would have been much more open to this with a $30/40 price tag

 

[Sky Chief]

Oh cool, eagerly anticipating Amazon delivering my preorder!