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[Wereroku]

Were threads back in the Xbox/PS2 generation 40-50 pages long as well, when discussing the power disparity between the two consoles in a specific game?

Doubt it since no one I knew had an og Xbox.

 

[Chobel]

On IGN now too:

Tomb Raider: Definitive Edition Runs at 60fps on PS4 - Supposedly not the case on Xbox One.

I really like this one, lol

while the Xbox One version balances out at 30fps

 

[Stone Ocean]

My take on it:

 

[Oakey]

Were threads back in the Xbox/PS2 generation 40-50 pages long as well, when discussing the power disparity between the two consoles in a specific game?

There was two fucking years between the PS2 and Oxbox, these systems released within weeks of each other!

 

[10k]

Eurogamer and IGN. It'll be fun if I'm wrong.

Pressures on now. Good luck

 

[trickstar]

Who in the world is this woman???????

Rachel Williams

 

[MDSLKTR]

45 pages? Seriously?
And about topic, i really doubt its 50-60fps situation. We heard too many times from devs that game runs near constant 60fps, when it run mostly at 40s.

Unsurprising comments coming from you

 

[Pyccko]

Eurogamer and IGN. It'll be fun if I'm wrong.

You'll live on in our hearts ;__;

RIP baby boy

 

[eso76]

Developing for the lowest common denominator should mean a lot of 60fps multiplatforms on ps4 this generation.

Not always the best way to take advantage of ps4's more powerful hardware (I don't really care for 60fps in tr, for example) but the gap is there.

 

[WinFonda]

Were threads back in the Xbox/PS2 generation 40-50 pages long as well, when discussing the power disparity between the two consoles in a specific game?

NeoGAF was a much, much smaller forum during the PS2 gen... so no. And honestly, cross platform game comparisons just didn't exist on the same level they do today.

 

[Angelus Errare]

Were threads back in the Xbox/PS2 generation 40-50 pages long as well, when discussing the power disparity between the two consoles in a specific game?

No because Xbox came out almost 2 years after PS2. I doubt many people expected parity between two different class of hardware.

With these two consoles being developed and launched at the same time utilizing the same core GPU/CPU architecture it makes much more sense for this many pages to be had.

 

[Naminator]

Some of you out here are trying just a bit too hard.

 

[GHG]

Rachel Williams

I just googled and have to say that this is best post in this thread. Thank you sir.

 

[fastest finger]

"I can't believe it's not butter"

http://m.joystiq.com/2014/01/07/tomb-raider-definitive-edition-boasts-1080p-resolution-butter/

 

[DieEnteWurzel]

My take on it:

I dig this one

 

[benny_a]

Some of you out here are trying just a bit too hard.

4. Anger

I eagerly anticipate your next post.

 

[Chobel]

Rachel Williams

Thank you kind gentleman.

 

[EagleEyes]

Rachel Williams

Thank you.

 

[SolidSnakex]

Were threads back in the Xbox/PS2 generation 40-50 pages long as well, when discussing the power disparity between the two consoles in a specific game?

No, but that's because there weren't a lot of people here back then. Just as an example, MGS is possibly the most popular series on this forum and MGS3's OT had 18 pages and only 1,701 posts. MGS4's OT had over 10k posts before the game was even released.

 

[Chobel]

Some of you out here are trying just a bit too hard.

No sarcasm? This is a first. You must be really mad.

 

[Ricky_R]

Eurogamer and IGN. It'll be fun if I'm wrong.

If you're wrong your avatar will probably read like this.

 

[KKRT00]

You expected less than 45 pages?
Also 60fps come from the devs and the people who played it, like EatChildren and many others, all said it's 60fps

Yeah, i hoped for much less, i thought that the whole war calmed down a little.

I see only one source that was saying that to EatChildren in this article.

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Unsurprising comments coming from you

What are You even implying?

 

[H3xum]

Are we seriously going to have these threads every time this happens?

Put the swords and shields down and get the f over it. So what. Shocker, a machine with better hardware can run the game better than a machine with lesser hardware. Stop attacking and stop defending, this shit is whack. Get it on whatever console you like. If this REALLY made a difference to all of the complainers in this 4X page thread, you would all be on high end PCs and not bothering with systems at all. That is of course besides the times you decide to slander the others for no reason other than what I assume is for your sad smug satisfaction

 

[Naminator]

No sarcasm? This is a first. You must be really mad.

Ohhh I had a few, I just don't want to get banned

 

[MightyCrow]

This makes a refreshing change to the inferior ps3 versions we were getting early last gen

 

[benny_a]

Yeah, i hoped for much less, i though that the whole war calmed down a little.

I see only one source that was saying that to EatChildren in this article.

Saying that to EatChildren. Saying it on a Twitch stream and then again after the clarification was asked. Several gaffers attending events and seeing the game playable.

It's okay KKRT00, it's okay.

 

[Chobel]

Yeah, i hoped for much less, i though that the whole war calmed down a little.

I see only one source that was saying that to EatChildren in this article.

We have other sources, some in this thread and others in the old thread.

 

[EnVy_CaLiBeR]

I guess waiting to play the game was a good decision (didn't buy it on last gen). Now I'll get to play the best console version (still not sure if I want to put up the $60 though).

MS better hope developers get in tune with developing for the Xbone and maximizing its potential sooner rather than later or this trend will continue and get worse.

 

[hohoXD123]

30FPS will Always Deliver Better Story-Telling than 60FPS in Games – Heres Why


All the peeps of the Gaming World have been going crazy over 30 FPS and 60 FPS standards this last year. From 60fps/1080p being thought the new Next Gen standard to Ryse downgrades. But there a point many people are missing, one which i hope to shed some light on today, the point that why 30 FPS cant and shouldn’t ever be replaced with 60fps.

30fps vs 60fps – The Magic of Story Telling Lies in Lower FPS, 30 FPS will always deliver a more “Cinematic” Experience than 60FPS.

I am of course making quite a bold claim and the burden of proof lies with me. One which i am more than willing to shoulder. Let me begin by saying that the minimum limit that our brain needs to perceive moving frames as a seamless entity ( a video) is 24 Frames Per Second. This is one of the reason 99% of Movies are shot at 24 FPS. Though this was originally due to Sound Hardware limitation of Old Cinema, it has now become the Cinematic Standard. The 24 fps of the Cinema Industry is roughly equivalent to the 30 fps standard of the Gaming Industry. When you see a video shot at 24 fps / 30 fps there are holes to fill and your brain automatically does this by literally creating stuff out of your imagination : also known as movie magic. The More frames you increase, the less you brain fills in, the less the “magic”.


Proof of Concept: Hobbit 24 FPS vs 48 FPS analogy to the 30FPS vs 60FPS Gaming Standard

So, Notice how the 48FPS video looks, Sped Up, Weird and almost too Real (in a Bad Way) ? That is called the Soap Opera Effect. Because we grew up in a world where reality tv and soap operas were shot at a higher FPS our brains are now hard wired to associate mundane reality with Higher FPS. And i think you can see now what i meant by our brain filling in the gaps at lower FPS. The Original trailer looks magical and truly “Cinematic”. Of course you might be one of the minority who actually like the sped up, but in my opinion that is probably because of the Novelty Value.

30fps vs 60fps

The more Frames Per Second we increase in our Gaming Standards the less “Magical” they will feel.
I remember when playing Alan Wake (at 30fps) that it felt unbelievably like a movie to me, the sudden attacks of darkness and the way everything was moving about, i wonder if the magic would have been there with 60FPS. If i could clearly see how everything moved – probably not. Likewise in Cinema the Smokes and Mirrors fall away with increased fps – and story telling is all about the illusion. Of course some games would actually benefit from higher frames per second like Racing Games and Fighting Games (Tekken) but Games in which story telling is a main part would do better with the 30FPS Standard.

http://wccftech.com/30fps-vs-60fps-30fps-better-story-telling-games/​

can you people finally drop this "60fps is better" nonsense

That spin is just....beautiful...

 

[SmokyDave]

Are we seriously going to have these threads every time this happens?

Put the swords and shields down and get the f over it. So what. Shocker, a machine with better hardware can run the game better than a machine with lesser hardware. Stop attacking and stop defending, this shit is whack. Get it on whatever console you like. If this REALLY made a difference to all of the complainers in this 4X page thread, you would all be on high end PCs and not bothering with systems at all. That is of course besides the times you decide to slander the others for no reason other than what I assume is for your sad smug satisfaction

Cor blimey guvnor, no need to blow a gasket!

/victorianchimneysweep

 

[Busty]

Are we seriously going to have these threads every time this happens?

Put the swords and shields down and get the f over it. So what. Shocker, a machine with better hardware can run the game better than a machine with lesser hardware. Stop attacking and stop defending, this shit is whack. Get it on whatever console you like. If this REALLY made a difference to all of the complainers in this 4X page thread, you would all be on high end PCs and not bothering with systems at all. That is of course besides the times you decide to slander the others for no reason other than what I assume is for your sad smug satisfaction

I'll just leave this here.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M0aNxzF7MAk

 

[Thomas_Daly]

oh look the sonic cycle lol

 

[Ricky_R]

Are we seriously going to have these threads every time this happens?

Put the swords and shields down and get the f over it. So what. Shocker, a machine with better hardware can run the game better than a machine with lesser hardware. Stop attacking and stop defending, this shit is whack. Get it on whatever console you like. If this REALLY made a difference to all of the complainers in this 4X page thread, you would all be on high end PCs and not bothering with systems at all. That is of course besides the times you decide to slander the others for no reason other than what I assume is for your sad smug satisfaction

I agree that people should stop attacking and defending, but news like this should be posted as much as possible so consumers can be informed of the differences these games may have, any way possible. Whether it's at GAF or on the web in general.

Owners of both consoles and future buyers need to be aware of these discrepancies.

 

[Chobel]

Ohhh I had a few, I just don't want to get banned

You got banned for sarcasms? why? did you take it too far last time?

 

[robertsan21]

30FPS will Always Deliver Better Story-Telling than 60FPS in Games – Heres Why


All the peeps of the Gaming World have been going crazy over 30 FPS and 60 FPS standards this last year. From 60fps/1080p being thought the new Next Gen standard to Ryse downgrades. But there a point many people are missing, one which i hope to shed some light on today, the point that why 30 FPS cant and shouldn’t ever be replaced with 60fps.

30fps vs 60fps – The Magic of Story Telling Lies in Lower FPS, 30 FPS will always deliver a more “Cinematic” Experience than 60FPS.

I am of course making quite a bold claim and the burden of proof lies with me. One which i am more than willing to shoulder. Let me begin by saying that the minimum limit that our brain needs to perceive moving frames as a seamless entity ( a video) is 24 Frames Per Second. This is one of the reason 99% of Movies are shot at 24 FPS. Though this was originally due to Sound Hardware limitation of Old Cinema, it has now become the Cinematic Standard. The 24 fps of the Cinema Industry is roughly equivalent to the 30 fps standard of the Gaming Industry. When you see a video shot at 24 fps / 30 fps there are holes to fill and your brain automatically does this by literally creating stuff out of your imagination : also known as movie magic. The More frames you increase, the less you brain fills in, the less the “magic”.


Proof of Concept: Hobbit 24 FPS vs 48 FPS analogy to the 30FPS vs 60FPS Gaming Standard

So, Notice how the 48FPS video looks, Sped Up, Weird and almost too Real (in a Bad Way) ? That is called the Soap Opera Effect. Because we grew up in a world where reality tv and soap operas were shot at a higher FPS our brains are now hard wired to associate mundane reality with Higher FPS. And i think you can see now what i meant by our brain filling in the gaps at lower FPS. The Original trailer looks magical and truly “Cinematic”. Of course you might be one of the minority who actually like the sped up, but in my opinion that is probably because of the Novelty Value.

30fps vs 60fps

The more Frames Per Second we increase in our Gaming Standards the less “Magical” they will feel.
I remember when playing Alan Wake (at 30fps) that it felt unbelievably like a movie to me, the sudden attacks of darkness and the way everything was moving about, i wonder if the magic would have been there with 60FPS. If i could clearly see how everything moved – probably not. Likewise in Cinema the Smokes and Mirrors fall away with increased fps – and story telling is all about the illusion. Of course some games would actually benefit from higher frames per second like Racing Games and Fighting Games (Tekken) but Games in which story telling is a main part would do better with the 30FPS Standard.

http://wccftech.com/30fps-vs-60fps-30fps-better-story-telling-games/​

can you people finally drop this "60fps is better" nonsense

Bud, I loved the hobbit in 48fps! its so much better in every way possible, It is the future of cinema so I guess we better get used to 48fps.

 

[R_Deckard]

Just purchased the PS4 Digipak version for £35 at Tesco Direct. If you'd like to do the same, use TDX-HQ9T as the coupon code.

Cheers thanks On it now

 

[Jack cw]

MS better hope developers get in tune with developing for the Xbone and maximizing its potential sooner rather than later or this trend will continue and get worse.

I'm pretty sure that at this time PS4 is the system of choice for them. Its easy to develop for and raw code from PC is running pretty good on it. Every single multiplatform title has been shown on PS4 and this is only going to continue. Sad for xbone, but thats business.

 

[Majmun]

Lol, that's pretty great.

 

[TAJ]

Performance problems on Xbone come from weaker GPU, higher OS overhead, higher API overhead and small framebuffer. Sadly, MS decided to ask 100$ more for that kind of gaming hardware.

But the weaker GPU was because they needed on-die RAM. The on-die RAM was needed because of slow main RAM. The slow main RAM was needed because their high overhead necessitated a large amount of RAM. The overhead was needed because of TV, TV, TV, sports, sports, sports, so that really is the root cause.

 

[klier]

What can I say? Glad I bought a PS4 maybe?

Never played the new Tomb Raider. This will be day 1 for me, and the 60 fps s a nice added bonus no doubt.

 

[Comet]

oh GAF! This is why I sign on every day, even at work.

 

[zzz79]

 

[Danny 117]

As an Xbox One owner, I'm inching closer and closer to purchasing a PS4...Makes me regret going digital on XBO cause the games I bought will just sit there, money wasted.

 

[TAJ]

I just googled and have to say that this is best post in this thread. Thank you sir.

Now search Angelus Errare's avatar. Even better.

 

[sixteen-bit]

Tangible difference.

 

[Liamario]

For those who think 30fps is good enough or in some cases is preferable-

 

[Kerub]

Some of you out here are trying just a bit too hard.

Seems like you're a stage 3 Xbot.

 

[Tricky I Shadow]

30FPS will Always Deliver Better Story-Telling than 60FPS in Games – Heres Why


All the peeps of the Gaming World have been going crazy over 30 FPS and 60 FPS standards this last year. From 60fps/1080p being thought the new Next Gen standard to Ryse downgrades. But there a point many people are missing, one which i hope to shed some light on today, the point that why 30 FPS cant and shouldn’t ever be replaced with 60fps.

30fps vs 60fps – The Magic of Story Telling Lies in Lower FPS, 30 FPS will always deliver a more “Cinematic” Experience than 60FPS.

I am of course making quite a bold claim and the burden of proof lies with me. One which i am more than willing to shoulder. Let me begin by saying that the minimum limit that our brain needs to perceive moving frames as a seamless entity ( a video) is 24 Frames Per Second. This is one of the reason 99% of Movies are shot at 24 FPS. Though this was originally due to Sound Hardware limitation of Old Cinema, it has now become the Cinematic Standard. The 24 fps of the Cinema Industry is roughly equivalent to the 30 fps standard of the Gaming Industry. When you see a video shot at 24 fps / 30 fps there are holes to fill and your brain automatically does this by literally creating stuff out of your imagination : also known as movie magic. The More frames you increase, the less you brain fills in, the less the “magic”.


Proof of Concept: Hobbit 24 FPS vs 48 FPS analogy to the 30FPS vs 60FPS Gaming Standard

So, Notice how the 48FPS video looks, Sped Up, Weird and almost too Real (in a Bad Way) ? That is called the Soap Opera Effect. Because we grew up in a world where reality tv and soap operas were shot at a higher FPS our brains are now hard wired to associate mundane reality with Higher FPS. And i think you can see now what i meant by our brain filling in the gaps at lower FPS. The Original trailer looks magical and truly “Cinematic”. Of course you might be one of the minority who actually like the sped up, but in my opinion that is probably because of the Novelty Value.

30fps vs 60fps

The more Frames Per Second we increase in our Gaming Standards the less “Magical” they will feel.
I remember when playing Alan Wake (at 30fps) that it felt unbelievably like a movie to me, the sudden attacks of darkness and the way everything was moving about, i wonder if the magic would have been there with 60FPS. If i could clearly see how everything moved – probably not. Likewise in Cinema the Smokes and Mirrors fall away with increased fps – and story telling is all about the illusion. Of course some games would actually benefit from higher frames per second like Racing Games and Fighting Games (Tekken) but Games in which story telling is a main part would do better with the 30FPS Standard.

http://wccftech.com/30fps-vs-60fps-30fps-better-story-telling-games/​

can you people finally drop this "60fps is better" nonsense

 

[Chobel]

Now search Angelus Errare's avatar. Even better.

Did I you tell how much I love milk and cookies?

 

[twobear]

For those who think 30fps is good enough or in some cases is preferable-

30fps is 'good enough', though.

It's just that 60fps is better.