Gold_Loot
Member
Sure it's fine for "ease of use" , but it takes all tension out of any game when you can simple tap a quick save after every few steps you take.
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Tomb Raider |OT| Lara's Misfortune
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Sure it's fine for "ease of use" , but it takes all tension out of any game when you can simple tap a quick save after every few steps you take.
kunonabi
Member
That is exactly what I'm saying. If you aren't going to create any sort of punishment or penalty for dying why even bother making it possible? It destroys any incentive to actually learn a game's mechanics and get better at it.
But who would you blame for that, the system or the person pressing the save button?
ViewtifulJC
Banned
Both, one for being such an abusable system, the other for abusing it and then claiming the game was really easy
The past Tomb Raider games have nothing to do with my asking for a proper and meaningful definition of the predicate "deep".
EagleBurnn
Banned
So I decided to pre-order SimCity instead of Tomb Raider. I'm scared that both of these games won't live up to their predecessors, but regardless, SimCity will probably have more playtime from me.
Tomb Raider, please make me regret my decision.
Tomb Raider, please make me regret my decision.
Gold_Loot
Member
Yeah I understand what you're saying, but myself, like many other people can easily abuse a system like that. Maybe if it had a system like "One quick save per chapter" or "One quick save every 15 minutes" Then sure maybe something like that can work. (With a proper checkpoint system of course)..
Would hate to stray too far OT in an official thread though. Maybe someone can make a thread on it.
If people are going to complain about checkpoints, they would complain about that even more.
The best option would just be to have quick save/load hotkeys on PC like PC games have for decades. But in the modern era of console ports, I'm willing to accept checkpoints. Honestly, I'm just glad I'm not forced to play this on a console in the first place.
Played it a little more
Regarding jumping:
Lara killing stuff:
The game is getting better and better and you will feel the need to protect her from all the hate on the internet.
Most of the criticism is downright laughable, it's not Tomb Raider 1 and it's not a revolution either. It feels like the natural evolution of the franchise.
Regarding jumping:
- you have to press foward during the jump, otherwise you will pretty much fall down midway
- there are some challenging cinematic jumps
- overall the jump mechanic is relatively easy but satisfying. I prefer it to the one in Uncharted (I like the added grab + climb mechanic).
Lara killing stuff:
- the more I play it, the more it feels like a game about survival & desperation. Lara's actions work very well in that context.
- it's possible to bypass / stealth your way past a few enemies but most fights are mandatory (especially if you want to find/explore everything)
The game is getting better and better and you will feel the need to protect her from all the hate on the internet.
Most of the criticism is downright laughable, it's not Tomb Raider 1 and it's not a revolution either. It feels like the natural evolution of the franchise.robotzombie
Member
My personal opinion on this is that the onus shouldn't be on the player to personally manage a game's balance/difficulty/etc, although I do very much understand the want and need for a player to have as many choices and options as possible. It's weird, because those two ideas conflict with each other and yet both seem very valid to me.
I just recently had this problem with fire emblem. It gives you so many options to grind and get powerful so easily and I took advantage of that which actually ruined the rest of the main game for me because battles were so easy they were pointless. But I did thoroughly enjoy the process of making my characters super powerful. However I couldn't help but wish the entire game felt like those first few chapters where I had to worry and make careful strategic decisions. But then again, I could have chosen to make the game stay that way by not grinding, but I hate the feeling of intentionally handcuffing myself because the game itself has no regard for maintaining a meaningful balance.
You just described my playthroughs of both Ogre Battle and Ogre Battle 64.
One ultimate team unit dominating every map to the worst ending possible. Only way to play the game.
SlasherJPC
Banned
No, No the game does autosave alot and everytime I've quit out, it's taken me right back where I left off. Though I tend to go to the camps to ensure I'm near a fast travel if need be. Guess I should have clarified my answer more.
Astral/H3X
Member
From the sounds of it, this is as close to a AAA survival game that I'm gonna find, so I guess I'll pick it up. Especially to check out that next gen hair haha.Played it a little more
Regarding jumping:
- you have to press foward during the jump, otherwise you will pretty much fall down midway
- there are some challenging cinematic jumps
- overall the jump mechanic is relatively easy but satisfying. I prefer it to the one in Uncharted (I like the added grab + climb mechanic).
Lara killing stuff:
- the more I play it, the more it feels like a game about survival & desperation. Lara's actions work very well in that context.
- it's possible to bypass / stealth your way past a few enemies but most fights are mandatory (especially if you want to find/explore everything)
The game is getting better and better and you will feel the need to protect her from all the hate on the internet.
Also, might spring for Collector's edition, I kinda like that figure.
Baconsammy
Banned
Played it a little more
Regarding jumping:
- you have to press foward during the jump, otherwise you will pretty much fall down midway
- there are some challenging cinematic jumps
- overall the jump mechanic is relatively easy but satisfying. I prefer it to the one in Uncharted (I like the added grab + climb mechanic).
Lara killing stuff:
- the more I play it, the more it feels like a game about survival & desperation. Lara's actions work very well in that context.
- it's possible to bypass / stealth your way past a few enemies but most fights are mandatory (especially if you want to find/explore everything)
The game is getting better and better and you will feel the need to protect her from all the hate on the internet.
Shhhhh. You're making the wait harder.
SlasherJPC
Banned
Soon... but his thoughts pretty much mirror mine. I think alot of people are really going to love this game.
I'd wait for last of us before saying that for sure. From what I understand you have to actually scavenge for supplies in that game and ammo is extremely limited (gun in the E3 demo had about 4 bullets) and the AI looks to be several steps ahead of any other game which would enhance the survival aspect as well. It doesn't look like a game pretending to be survival but overloads you with ammo and supplies.
Astral/H3X
Member
I don't want to try to shoot people with a stick. If LoU was PC then I would, but I can't hit the side of a wall using dual analog.
The Last of Us might be the only console game I play all year. It just looks that good.
Good news is it doesn't seem like there will be much shooting in that game with as low as ammo is. Probably going to be mostly melee combat or stealth.
Dynamite Ringo Matsuri
Member
Huh. Had no idea she was involved. All the hype is slowly getting to me. I really wanted to like this game when it was first unveiled, but every subsequent piece of media that came thereafter siphoned that euphoria til I was left with "everythingwasuncharted". I particularly like the mentioning of "wide-linear" exploration, and "atmosphere out the ass", someone also compared the game to survival horror. Color me interested
It looks very unlikely. This is primarily a single player game.
I really enjoyed Pratchett's work on Heavenly Sword. Her involvement with the project is one the biggest reasons why I am hyped for this game.
Snkfanatic
Banned
Seems to be just thrown in and not really any depth. I wouldn't expect much out of it at all..
There's no way I hell I'll even touch the multiplayer in this game if and when I pick it up. Looks "forgettable" at the most.
The epitome of a "checkbox" multiplayer.
I don't get the idea that this game is more grounded/realistic/serious. It's more over the top than any TR that came before it; it lives in extremes. The setting is really interesting, aside from the shanty stuff, but from what I saw traversing the levels is so linear and guided and there are so many dudes to shoot that there's not much accomplishment getting anywhere. I'm hoping the second half is better than what I saw. It looked like it might be getting better when I decided to stop watching, but there still dudes to shoot like everywhere.
Snkfanatic
Banned
Never knew her till this post, she did work on Mirrors Edge too? Nice!
TACKED ON BULLSHIT, just like...
At least that guy had the balls to say it and call 2K out.
Baconsammy
Banned
Been watching the French stream of the PS3 version. Looks good. Doesn't appear they were hiding an inferior version by only showing the 360 game.
The replay value on this is going to be bollocks. I really wish they had included a NG+ feature at the very least since MP will be DOA and I have zero interest in it. I have a very strong feeling that after I finish it will be put towards Infinite. Nevertheless, I'm still psyched.
Dynamite Ringo Matsuri
Member
Yeah, she's got a lot to live up to with that name!
I honestly haven't kept up on this game too much due to the brouhaha that spun out of all of the missteps made by marketing. I've seen the E3 spots, the Conan video, and read through some of the reviews in the OP. I also listened to Brad talk about it on GB. It seems to open up a bit more in the second half according to him, and he seems to be coming around on it. I'm not expecting TR at all, but maybe a nice distraction before Bioshock drops would be nice. If there's more to it than the limited coverage I've seen then that'd be icing.
NG+ would be awkward, as it's such a progressive game. Entire scenes and sections would have to change, as allowing access to certain equipment or weapons early would break quite a few things.
NotTheGuyYouKill
Member
TACKED ON BULLSHIT, just like...
At least that guy had the balls to say it and call 2K out.
And he still kept his job?
It is probably a very good thing that this will be my first Tomb Raider game. Reading the complaints, it is understandable why a lot of the people seemed pissed about it.
Man, I cannot wait for my class to be over next week, so my spring break can begin, and I can play this bugger.
Man, I cannot wait for my class to be over next week, so my spring break can begin, and I can play this bugger.
EagleBurnn
Banned
Seriously. You don't make the guys who fund your project look stupid.
The person using it. People don't like to blame tools when they're misused - they blame the person. "Save anywhere" is a great feature because it gives the player options and freedom. If they don't want to use it, they don't have to. If they feel compelled to use it because it's there, they wanted the feature to begin with.
No one blames the game for having variable difficulty levels.
Deadly Cyclone
Pride of Iowa State
Pratchett did the Mirror's Edge story too right?
She did. The story in Mirror's Edge was terrible, so I'm hoping for an improvement.
Cory Davis actually doesn't work for them anymore, he now works for Spark Unlimited (in all likelihood working on Yaiba: Ninja Gaiden Z). There may be a lot of parallels here to Tomb Raider.
"The multiplayer mode of Spec Ops: The Line was never a focus of development, but the publisher was determined to have it anyway," he said. "It was literally a check box that the financial predictions said we needed, and 2K was relentless in making sure that it happened – even [to] the detriment of the overall project and the perception of the game."
He keeps going, too, calling it "tacked-on… bullshit, should not exist… there's no doubt that it's an overall failure". Yet, remarkably, he remains full of praise for 2K for taking a risk on a game that takes a markedly different approach to shooter storytelling.
"They took a hell of a lot of risk with the project that other publishers would not have had the balls to take," he said. "I'm proud of what we were able to achieve, and it was not easy.
http://www.edge-online.com/news/spec-ops-multiplayer-tacked-bullshit-says-lead-designer/
She also did Heavenly Sword, which was also terrible. Hoping she got it together for this one.
Ready for some DAT HAIR action on my PC next week.The perfect Dark
Banned
Multiplayer is ok. Played it for three hours and it's comparable to Uncharted but doesn't run as smooth as Naughty Dog's game. Controls feel a bit clunky in MP but overall I like it (more than Uncharted MP)
You can activate traps which is fun.
Singleplayer is superb though
Edit: SOUNDTRACK IS AWESOME
You can activate traps which is fun.
Singleplayer is superb though
Edit: SOUNDTRACK IS AWESOME
Deadly Cyclone
Pride of Iowa State
Anyone doing the metagame thing for DLC?
http://trscavenger.com/
I've unlocked a few abilities early, or something.
http://trscavenger.com/
I've unlocked a few abilities early, or something.
Didn't get anything from Steamer. Probably couldn't be arsed anyway.
Baconsammy
Banned
My progress says 12/24. Are there 12 more to come or am I just missing something obvious?