Tomb Raider Trilogy |OT| The Crystal Dynamics Collection
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The Praiseworthy
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The PS3 version looks better than PC version in a way I didn't imagine!!
Do you think they will release it separately in PSN like PoP ?
Do you think they will release it separately in PSN like PoP ?
1 more comparison shot... The rest of the released images are from Legend and Underworld, which I haven't gotten around to playing yet. 
Also, the Greece boss fight was very cool. Very much a puzzle unto itself, I grinned when I figured out
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Also, the Greece boss fight was very cool. Very much a puzzle unto itself, I grinned when I figured out
how to dodge the petrify attack and to pull off their shields
AgentChris
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Just picked this up. So much value for $40.
Square Triangle
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Started playing TRL again, after beating it years ago on the 360. To me it hasn't aged well but it's still so damn fun. This is such a great value, looking forward to jumping into Anny soon since I passed on it when it first released.
Hyphen
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Other than an extremely vague childhood memory of playing a Tomb Raider game on a friend's PlayStation, I have no experience with this franchise whatsoever. However, I'm a 3rd person action/adventure fan, and so will pick this up at some point. Just a quick question though, do I play these games in the order of the cover image - Legend, Anniversary, Underworld? Or is it it supposed to be Anniversary, Legend, Underworld as it suggests in the OP? As I said, my experience with the franchise is virtually nil.
sublimit
Banned
Curufinwe said:
Not really.
For example in the original game in Natla's mines you could go pick up the fuses in whatever order you wanted.In Anniversary you had to follow the developers linear path.Not to mention that the 2nd half of the original level (the lava areas) is missing from the remake.
There are more examples like this throughout the game.
Dobkeratops
OT Hard Carry
Well, Anniversary is a remake of the first Tomb Raider so I'd start with that one. It's not a MGS3 case where the game takes place earlier in the timeline yet you're meant to have played the others to pick up on the references and cameos. Pretty self contained, too. It's the ideal introduction to the series.Hyphen said:
Legend... while probably the most outdated of the three, its story seemingly continues straight into Underworld, and the latter might contain some cross-pollination with Anniversary, so U would come last and L right behind it.
I'll probably take the A>L>U order myself too. Already beat Anniversary on PS2, but it's worth a replay.
Hyphen
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Dobkeratops said:
Lovely! Thanks Dobkeratops. Really looking forward to this. Being a huge Uncharted fan, people have been telling me that I should check out Tomb Raider. So this should be right up my street. All I need now is a "better than a simple HD PS2 port" of the Splinter Cell Trilogy, and that's another franchise I can finally experience (please don't be lazy Ubisoft, I beg of you).
Dobkeratops
OT Hard Carry
TR and Uncharted get compared a lot for some reason, but they have very distinct gameplay styles. Uncharted focuses on the shooting and action scenes with some neat and easy platforming segments. TR generally has poor combat but the platforming/puzzle component is where the meat of the game lies. Expect some seriously demanding jumps, timed traps while solving environmental puzzles.
Both series have the whole explore exotic places around the world, find forgotten relics, Indy adventure-y feeling in common, though, so if that's what you're looking for you shouldn't be disappointed.
Both series have the whole explore exotic places around the world, find forgotten relics, Indy adventure-y feeling in common, though, so if that's what you're looking for you shouldn't be disappointed.
Dobkeratops
OT Hard Carry
You think so? I recall the original TR games having different jump types for each situation - and eating up a lot of reloading screens after a distance miscalculation. Had my fair share of falling deaths on the PS2 remake too, which rarely -if ever- happens when I'm with either Uncharted title.
Might be wrong ('tis been a while after all) but if I had to I'd say Uncharted is less strict. Don't know about Legend or Underworld, though!
Might be wrong ('tis been a while after all) but if I had to I'd say Uncharted is less strict. Don't know about Legend or Underworld, though!
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sublimit said:
The adrenaline combat 'gimmick' was fully explained, and was the second best part of the game. If you didn't use it, you were in for a drawn out fight against wild animals.sublimit said:
@sublimit: Huh? Anniversary is the only Crystal Dynamics TR game with no gunfights against armed soldiers. It has the best combat dodge 'gimmick' of the three and its also the meatiest in content and length, reminiscent of a time before when 6 hours became an acceptable norm.
Am I wrong?
EDIT: I'll update the OP in the morning for EU msrp and people's impressions.
sublimit
Banned
The implementation of the manual grab in a game that was obviously designed with auto-grab in mind was glitchy as hell.Personally i had to switch back to the "auto-pilot" after i witnessed the unresponsiveness of the manual grab a few times.
It's not surprising Crystal Dynamics abandoned completely the manual grab feature in Underworld.
The adrenaline dodge gimmick was explained in a pathetic tutorial against a weak bear that you could kill even without ever performing the adrenaline dodge right.But from that point onwards the game assumed you knew how to do the adrenaline move so it pit you in fights where the only way to progress was if you performed the AD right.With the T-Rex battle you could win it even if you didn't know how to do the AD right but when it came to the Centaurs you were basically fucked.Even the explanation in the manual was wrong.I had to go to Gamefaqs in order to read a proper explanation of the move.Quite many people had problem with this move,you only need to go to Youtube videos and Tomb Raider forums and see how many people complained about that.For the sake of the new players who will play the HD trilogy i hope that they at least have changed the explanation in the manual regarding the adrenaline dodge.
And i didn't say Anniversary had fights against armed soldiers (except a few key ones.)
Honestly personally i preferred much more Legend and Underworld in the combat department because you were free to ignore completely the adrenaline move if you wanted.In general though combat sucked in all three games.
I agree that Anniversary is the meatiest in content from the Crystal's games but this doesn't say much as Underworld and Legend (especially Legend) were very short.If with all the content that was cut out in Anniversary still impressed you with its a length i can't even imagine what you will think of the original if you ever play it (which was still one of the shortest of the first 5 TR games.)
It's not surprising Crystal Dynamics abandoned completely the manual grab feature in Underworld.
Ellis Kim said:
The adrenaline dodge gimmick was explained in a pathetic tutorial against a weak bear that you could kill even without ever performing the adrenaline dodge right.But from that point onwards the game assumed you knew how to do the adrenaline move so it pit you in fights where the only way to progress was if you performed the AD right.With the T-Rex battle you could win it even if you didn't know how to do the AD right but when it came to the Centaurs you were basically fucked.Even the explanation in the manual was wrong.I had to go to Gamefaqs in order to read a proper explanation of the move.Quite many people had problem with this move,you only need to go to Youtube videos and Tomb Raider forums and see how many people complained about that.For the sake of the new players who will play the HD trilogy i hope that they at least have changed the explanation in the manual regarding the adrenaline dodge.
And i didn't say Anniversary had fights against armed soldiers (except a few key ones.)
Honestly personally i preferred much more Legend and Underworld in the combat department because you were free to ignore completely the adrenaline move if you wanted.In general though combat sucked in all three games.
I agree that Anniversary is the meatiest in content from the Crystal's games but this doesn't say much as Underworld and Legend (especially Legend) were very short.If with all the content that was cut out in Anniversary still impressed you with its a length i can't even imagine what you will think of the original if you ever play it (which was still one of the shortest of the first 5 TR games.)
Started with Legend last night. I haven't played Tomb Raider since Tomb Raider II (when it first came out) so I'm really looking forward to getting back into the series.
While I have enjoyed the platforming and puzzles, I already have one gripe...
At the end of the first level in Legend, after a cut scene you have to
It took me probably four times before I realized what I was supposed to be doing. I mean the cut scene ends and two seconds later (or less) you are dead if you don't
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Does anyone know if this sort of thing is common? Not having played it before, I don't know when the cut scene is ending so that I can be prepared to act.
While I have enjoyed the platforming and puzzles, I already have one gripe...
At the end of the first level in Legend, after a cut scene you have to
run across a rope bridge while a helicopter shoots parts of it away.
immediately start running
Does anyone know if this sort of thing is common? Not having played it before, I don't know when the cut scene is ending so that I can be prepared to act.
FireCloud said:
I didn't have a problem with that, but it happens again, where I died a bunch of times.
In the next temple.
Where
where that thing is chasing you. The camera changes to his first person view
BUT, during the cutscene, a little symbol pops up warning you to take control. It just took me a couple tries to figure out what the symbol meant.
gdt5016 said:
Thanks for the reply. I didn't notice the symbol until the cut scene ended. I'll just have to stay alert. I tend to remember that with TRI and TRII, I died a lot. Usually because I miss judged a jump while platforming.
Based on the comments earlier in this thread, I may hold off on Legend and try to complete Anniversary first. Someone mentioned that seemed to make the most sense from the point-of-view of the story.
EvaTType01
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Its funny...I bought all 3 for 360 2 months before they announced the ps3 trilogy....HAHA
Well i am excited to play this again, but playing anniversary first wont make a difference. Legend is the first in the series, since it explains a certain someone from your past.....while anniversary doesnt....so when your playing legend 2nd your like "whose that?!?! that was in anniversary??!!"
also, i havent opened my copy of the ps3 version yet, probably i will today, but i remember the bounce was huge in legend 360 ROFL! it goes downhill in underworld ^_^;
Well i am excited to play this again, but playing anniversary first wont make a difference. Legend is the first in the series, since it explains a certain someone from your past.....while anniversary doesnt....so when your playing legend 2nd your like "whose that?!?! that was in anniversary??!!"
also, i havent opened my copy of the ps3 version yet, probably i will today, but i remember the bounce was huge in legend 360 ROFL! it goes downhill in underworld ^_^;
Rated-Rsuperstar
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Underworld has some of the most beautiful levels in a videogame. It's up there with Uncharted 2 and Red Dead where I just stopped and stared.
Brandon F said:
Seriously, people with the game should post some real performance impressions already not just screens.
I don't have the game yet but I think and since Legend and Anniversary are just PS2 port and at 30fps(locked I hope), they will run better than the 360 version framerate-wise,since the 360 version of Anniversary was not that good.
Graphic wise, like can see the posted screens here, they are PS2 ports (with lifted character models from the 360) so I think it will be better performance with lesser graphic quality.
Still Legend on xbox1 run at 60fps (and look great) so it's shame the ports on upscaled PS2 ports run at 30fps
Found out some more information about the PS3 trilogy on the US playstation blog. The information was from back in January but since it was in the comments section, I don't know how many people saw it. Thought I'd share in case any of this was new news to anyone here...
source: http://blog.us.playstation.com/2011/01/06/the-tomb-raider-trilogy-hd-exclusively-on-ps3-march-22nd/comment-page-3/#comments
@Totobeni ... Based on the answer to the last questions, I don't know if the trilogy is a simple PS2 port. I don't know what was meant that the trilogy was built "using the Crystal proprietary engine." I don't have the 360 or PC versions to compare with but they did mention above that "visually these will be the best versions of the game." (again, don't know if that just refers to the upgraded textures and lighting)
Looking forward to getting back to this when I get home from work today...
source: http://blog.us.playstation.com/2011/01/06/the-tomb-raider-trilogy-hd-exclusively-on-ps3-march-22nd/comment-page-3/#comments
@Totobeni ... Based on the answer to the last questions, I don't know if the trilogy is a simple PS2 port. I don't know what was meant that the trilogy was built "using the Crystal proprietary engine." I don't have the 360 or PC versions to compare with but they did mention above that "visually these will be the best versions of the game." (again, don't know if that just refers to the upgraded textures and lighting)
Looking forward to getting back to this when I get home from work today...
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Well we can't take anything said seriously now because the PS3 textures looked like shit in that PC comparison shot.
protonion
Member
I finished Legend. It took me 7 hours. Tokyo was the best level imo.
I enjoyed the platforming and puzzles. The action not that much. Fortunately there aren't many encounters in the game. I will return to find the secrets. Many of them are brilliantly hidden.
I played Underworld a bit. It looks really good but I think I prefer Legend's physics. Though I played the games very close to each other and I'm probably used to Lara's floatiness from Legend.
Anniversary is still the best in the series.
Can't wait for the reboot!
I enjoyed the platforming and puzzles. The action not that much. Fortunately there aren't many encounters in the game. I will return to find the secrets. Many of them are brilliantly hidden.
I played Underworld a bit. It looks really good but I think I prefer Legend's physics. Though I played the games very close to each other and I'm probably used to Lara's floatiness from Legend.
Anniversary is still the best in the series.
Can't wait for the reboot!
FireCloud said:
Crystal Dynamic Engine I think is the same engine used for Legend,Anniversary and Underworld in all systems,including the PS2 one, so it's just bullshit PR talk (aka turd polishing)
Based on the few screens ExMachina posted, they are indeed the PS2 ports textures ,lightning,geometry ,environments (with only the polygonal character models are different I think they take that from the 360 version).
What is wrong here for me is, when everything (but the characters) have PS2 poly count and texture, why don't let the game run at 60fps since you are now have PS2 version on a more powerful hardware.
protonion said:
Yeah Liked that level, not much the shooting inside the building, but Lara going to do crazy thing on a tal tower was just Amazing, I alwasy thought that modern cities don't work well in Tomb Raider( TR2/that Pieces of shit Angel of Darkness) but that level was very good.
Underworld is my less favorites CD Tomb Raider game, stupid story and twist, and freaking shit ending level (dlc don't help), but the worst thing was the Level design,it was really not good , Mediterranean ship and underwater was boring,Mexico is ugly liner mess,same as Jan Mayen Island, only Thailand level was on par with Legend and Anniversary.
Shao Kahn Brewing a Stew
Banned
So... Did any hardcore gamer finished all 3? Need to see if there is an Easter egg or teaser trailer at the end!
Square Triangle
Member
shagg_187 said:
I wouldn't be surprised if there were a trailer for the new TR, similar to Sly Collection. At least I hope so, I cannot wait to play as Hillary Swank.
Darth Kupi
Banned
ExMachina said:If anyone's interested in how the collection's version of TRA looks in relation to the PC version, I took some screenshots when I reached the spots in the comparison images.
For reference, PC version was running on highest settings but at 720p.
Maybe its just the nostalgia talking (I played Legend and Anniversary on PS2), but I think the PS2 version still looks the best.
I loved the fuzzy, bloom-filled look of the game. The next-gen/PC versions are too crisp, if that makes any sense. It seems to lose much of its ethereal quality, which I loved from TR:A.
Legend would be okay with remastered assets I guess. It was much more crisp and sterile than TR:A. (IMO)
Net_Wrecker
Member
Where are the performance impressions?
protonion
Member
Underworld is really bad. Lazy level design, invisible walls, bad controls, glitches, bad environment interaction (objects that look and should be climbable,are not) and camera. I was stuck in a while because I had to jump from a ledge to a platform that there was no way I could see. Even combat feels worse than the other two.
If someone plans to get the trilogy because of Underworld, don't.
The other two are more than worth it.
I'll rush through Underworld and complete the trilogy with Anniversary.
Quality wise A>>>L>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>U
Recommended play order L-U-A (leave the best for the end,it doesn't really matter story wise)
If someone plans to get the trilogy because of Underworld, don't.
The other two are more than worth it.
I'll rush through Underworld and complete the trilogy with Anniversary.
Quality wise A>>>L>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>U
Recommended play order L-U-A (leave the best for the end,it doesn't really matter story wise)
Kyleripman
Member
Rated-Rsuperstar said:
Agree 100%. It was also my first TR game.
Is it just me or does the cut scene volume seem much lower than the in-game volume? While playing Legend last night, I kept having to turn up the vol on the TV every time there was a cut scene.
My family seems to be under the misunderstanding that cut scene time is a good time to cary-on a conversation with me. It never fails... Had to go back and re-watch several of the cinematics from the main menu. (another gripe....after watching a cinematic it takes you all the way back to the main menu instead of back to the cinematic menu....but I can deal with it.)
My family seems to be under the misunderstanding that cut scene time is a good time to cary-on a conversation with me. It never fails... Had to go back and re-watch several of the cinematics from the main menu. (another gripe....after watching a cinematic it takes you all the way back to the main menu instead of back to the cinematic menu....but I can deal with it.)
Played a handful of levels in Anniversary last night (because it's supposed to be the best of the 3 and first story-wise)
Impressions:
Clunky controls. Found myself struggling to get the jump / grappling hook to work on the very first scene. I kept jumping (with X) and hitting the [] quicker than the system could register it. I'd deliberately have to jump, wait, then hit [] to do it right. I'd also find myself jumping up (and then falling back down) when on ledges repeatedly when trying to get to the next ledge. The areas where you can and can't hold onto (environment detection) was bad and sometimes wouldn't even work unless you manually adjusted the camera to face it first.
Graphics are poor. It may be a bit crisper than a last generation game but the geometry of the environment shows it's age. The outside areas are lush and generally look good, but corridors, the insides of rooms and pretty much everything except Lara looks square and blocky. You can really tell when jumping up onto higher platforms or exploring tight areas. Needless to say I wasn't impressed, but this is my first HD remake so maybe it's just last gen shock.
Sound was uneven. The soundtrack was great but any stone rumbling, crashes, roars were just a muddled mess. Maybe it just from the Jungle ruins environment but I hope the sound quality picks up a bit in different areas.
Overall, despite the issues above, I think I'll have to grow used to the controls, sit further away from the TV and turn the game sounds down a bit and plug my way through this trilogy. The exploration is fun enough to keep my interest so far, but this is no Uncharted (even with all its flaws). My wife even got bored and quit watching after 30 mins. There is good value here but it might not sell you on the Tomb Raider series if you haven't played it before on last gen systems.
Impressions:
Clunky controls. Found myself struggling to get the jump / grappling hook to work on the very first scene. I kept jumping (with X) and hitting the [] quicker than the system could register it. I'd deliberately have to jump, wait, then hit [] to do it right. I'd also find myself jumping up (and then falling back down) when on ledges repeatedly when trying to get to the next ledge. The areas where you can and can't hold onto (environment detection) was bad and sometimes wouldn't even work unless you manually adjusted the camera to face it first.
Graphics are poor. It may be a bit crisper than a last generation game but the geometry of the environment shows it's age. The outside areas are lush and generally look good, but corridors, the insides of rooms and pretty much everything except Lara looks square and blocky. You can really tell when jumping up onto higher platforms or exploring tight areas. Needless to say I wasn't impressed, but this is my first HD remake so maybe it's just last gen shock.
Sound was uneven. The soundtrack was great but any stone rumbling, crashes, roars were just a muddled mess. Maybe it just from the Jungle ruins environment but I hope the sound quality picks up a bit in different areas.
Overall, despite the issues above, I think I'll have to grow used to the controls, sit further away from the TV and turn the game sounds down a bit and plug my way through this trilogy. The exploration is fun enough to keep my interest so far, but this is no Uncharted (even with all its flaws). My wife even got bored and quit watching after 30 mins. There is good value here but it might not sell you on the Tomb Raider series if you haven't played it before on last gen systems.