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Toonami |Apr16| Here today, Gon for three years

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Raxus

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So I went back to check out the Dimension W manga and you remember the episode with the water ghosts? Yeah, that is like chapter 30 of the manga.

Although they haven't been published in english yet there is apparently ~70 chapters in all and I am pretty sure the anime wants to cover all of it in 12 episodes. It explains a lot.

One Punch Man almost caught up to its manga material before it ended as well.
 
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BatDan

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Raxus said:
So I went back to check out the Dimension W manga and you remember the episode with the water ghosts? Yeah, that is like chapter 30 of the manga.

Although they haven't been published in english yet there is apparently ~70 chapters in all and I am pretty sure the anime wants to cover all of it in 12 episodes. It explains a lot.

One Punch Man almost caught up to its manga material before it ended as well.
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What the fuck?!
So did they skip a lot of story or did the first three episodes rush through the manga material like a blitzkrieg? I have to imagine it's the former, Dimension W is a monthly manga and that can cover like one or two chapters in a 23 minute episode.

One Punch Man managed to burn through 7 volumes (out of 10 right now) and kept pretty much everything. Who wrote the Dimension W adaptation?
 
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BassForever

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Raxus said:
So I went back to check out the Dimension W manga and you remember the episode with the water ghosts? Yeah, that is like chapter 30 of the manga.

Although they haven't been published in english yet there is apparently ~70 chapters in all and I am pretty sure the anime wants to cover all of it in 12 episodes. It explains a lot.

One Punch Man almost caught up to its manga material before it ended as well.
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OPM is also a gag series, its chapters are really short, and ever 5 chapters is just murata gif show off material. I say this as someone who really likes dimension w and hasn't had any issues following the characters or the technobabble. Moe butt bot Mira is the best character by far I really enjoy her.
 
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Raxus

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BatDan said:
What the fuck?!
So did they skip a lot of story or did the first three episodes rush through the manga material like a blitzkrieg? I have to imagine it's the former, Dimension W is a monthly manga and that can cover like one or two chapters in a 23 minute episode.
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I wish I could have more to compare it to but the current english releases seem to stop at 30 although there are images of the Japanese volumes that clearly show characters from the recent episode. I'd have to do a full sit down to see what was left out (if anything) but I'd say up to the ghost episode the anime has stayed pretty loyal to the material.
 
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Zonic

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So it's sounding like it's more of a bad adaptation instead of just a "meh" anime that goes waaaay too fast & dumps too much exposition at once.
 
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Korigama

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chicagocubsfan said:
I am actually trying to think of another Toonami show where I cared less about what was going on then in Dimension W. The dub is decent but I don't really care for the story or world building at all.
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Sword Art Online (pretty easy answer for me, anyway). Dimension W is needlessly rushed and condensed in adapting it from its source material, but I still actually like it.

Of course, I could just as easily say Naruto, since I dropped that before getting to Shippuden and couldn't be bothered to return after trying that.
 
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Zonic

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Now I can't help but imagine the fade being applied to other Viz properties like Final Act.

........or One Punch Man oh god the cut for that is gonna suck.......
 
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Moaradin

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That HxH edit is so lazy. Especially since they could have just started from the middle of the song and ended at the chorus with minimal effort and achieved pretty much the same runtime.

Hopefully they'll try again for the alternative versions? Viz has been known to randomly re-edit their OPs and EDs before...
 
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Seda

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By the way, assuming the recent pattern of show announcements stays intact, we'll hear about Dimension W's replacement on Friday May 6.
 
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BassForever

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Soulflarz said:
Dimension W will be reaired so that we can understand the plot this time around obviously.
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I really don't get how so many people are having a hard time following the plot of Dimension W, maybe it's because I've been mostly watching on DVR and not splitting my focus between posting and watching but the series isn't that complicated. The only thing that got remotely complicated was the ghost dimension episode.
 
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Raxus

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BassForever said:
I really don't get how so many people are having a hard time following the plot of Dimension W, maybe it's because I've been mostly watching on DVR and not splitting my focus between posting and watching but the series isn't that complicated. The only thing that got remotely complicated was the ghost dimension episode.
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I can follow the gist of the episodes but when I am trying to read GAF and listen to the show it is difficult.
 
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Seda

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Raxus said:
I can follow the gist of the episodes but when I am trying to read GAF and listen to the show it is difficult.
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Not going to lie, I don't really know what's going on. It's one of those shows where everything is so dense, if you miss out on one small exchange of dialogue if you lose focus for even a moment, and you lose sense of what is happening. Michiko and Hatchin was somewhat similar in how it presented it's narrative, with several non-linear jumps from the past to present to past again. I think a big difference in the inclusion of the supernatural, which adds another layer of understanding world rules on top of character motivations and events. EDIT: Also, M&H episodes were largely standalone anyway, where Dimension W's are not.

I said this before though, the main issue is that Dimension W hasn't earned my interest in its exposition.
 
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Zonic

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BassForever said:
I really don't get how so many people are having a hard time following the plot of Dimension W, maybe it's because I've been mostly watching on DVR and not splitting my focus between posting and watching but the series isn't that complicated. The only thing that got remotely complicated was the ghost dimension episode.
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I think it could be the fact we're trying to split attention to reading & making posts might play a part in it, but I'd say it's also just because there's so much to take in at once. I actually was able to understand episode 5's whole "it was another dimension affected by the lake water" but it took a few minutes for my brain to comprehend it. Same goes for this episode, it's throwing so many details at once, it's hard to let one detail sink in without trying to hear another one.

Again, I think part of the problem is hearing that it's trying to cram so many chapters into the manga into a 12-episode series while also leaving out some details that probably would've made it easier to understand. But instead of spreading the details out over more episodes to let the info sink into the viewer's mind, it's pulling a Final Act & just trying to cram all that it possibly can.

I think it's safe to say the more plot-heavy a show is, the harder it makes for a group watch when your attention is also on seeing what other's are saying.
 
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BassForever

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Yep it's honestly not as complicated as you're making it out to be, but shows like Dimension W and Yamato really don't work for the group watch chat along unless you've already seen the show and don't need to focus on the plot exposition to follow what's going on. When you can you realize it's not really as complex as it appears and the show has basically built the premise by which these story arcs are centered (the numbers which cause extreme abnormalities with dimension w).
 
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Zonic

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Freakin' hell, I lost a bit of a post I had typed up due to my network adapter crapping out.

Basically, I agree with Seda's points & on a rewatch, I feel like we'd be able to catch some details we might've missed due to group watching.
 
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Soulflarz

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BassForever said:
Yep it's honestly not as complicated as you're making it out to be, but shows like Dimension W and Yamato really don't work for the group watch chat along unless you've already seen the show and don't need to focus on the plot exposition to follow what's going on. When you can you realize it's not really as complex as it appears and the show has basically built the premise by which these story arcs are centered (the numbers which cause extreme abnormalities with dimension w).
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Yamato

I openly said it during the group watch
I didn't like Yamato there, and wasn't willing to finish it tbh.

Theres a diff between a movie you can commentate the first time and one you can't, and this is definitely cannot territory.
 
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Doctor Decimate

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While I don't disagree that parts of Dimension W probably get lost in our viewing format, I think that also undersells how it doesn't feel intentionally dense; it feels dense as a result of its often mediocre writing. It's not really complex so much as it is a 30 car pileup of plot points and characters that are not particularly engaging. That may just be because of the decision to cram that many chapters into a small episode count, but I think that one episode with Mira buying a trailer has been the only indication that any of this is interesting beyond a very surface-level "this is sort of cool" thing. There's a lot of stuff going on that just feels like a combination of random Cool Anime Tropes™ rather than anything I would legitimately care about.
 
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Seda said:
Not going to lie, I don't really know what's going on. It's one of those shows where everything is so dense, if you miss out on one small exchange of dialogue if you lose focus for even a moment, and you lose sense of what is happening. Michiko and Hatchin was somewhat similar in how it presented it's narrative, with several non-linear jumps from the past to present to past again. I think a big difference in the inclusion of the supernatural, which adds another layer of understanding world rules on top of character motivations and events. EDIT: Also, M&H episodes were largely standalone anyway, where Dimension W's are not.

I said this before though, the main issue is that Dimension W hasn't earned my interest in its exposition.
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Admittedly, I wish it didn't take my 2nd watch around to finally get what was going on.

I still enjoy the show for both the opening and ending and for Mira's interactions.
 
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Zonic

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Was it said if Viz went to DeMarco or the other way around when it came to HxH? I could've sworn it was DeMarco going to Viz & they agreed. Just wondering if maybe Dimension W will be replaced by another Viz show or if Funimation already had something else lined up (like My Hero Academia hopefully).
 
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Doctor Decimate

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Zonic said:
Was it said if Viz went to DeMarco or the other way around when it came to HxH? I could've sworn it was DeMarco going to Viz & they agreed. Just wondering if maybe Dimension W will be replaced by another Viz show or if Funimation already had something else lined up (like My Hero Academia hopefully).
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I'm not sure where this I saw this and it might not be true, but I think Viz said they actually pitch every show to Toonami.
 
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BatDan

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It feels like all Nintendo discussion these days is only two points.
"Where's the NX?"
"Argle Bargle Localziation is the Worst"
 
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Zonic

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While looking though DeMarco's ask.fm to see if he mentioned it, he stated there isn't gonna be any more tumblr Q&As since they basically talk about stuff via Pre-Flight. But I can't seem to find who came to who about the show, but I'm just glad Viz is back on board which increases chances of other shows that we really want from possibly happenning.

BatDan said:
It feels like all Nintendo discussion these days is only two points.
"Where's the NX?"
"Argle Bargle Localziation is the Worst"
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"ugh ANOTHER censored game on a Nintendo platform, thanks Nintendobama"
 
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BatDan

Bane? Get them on board, I'll call it in.
Mizerman said:
You forgot one.

"Nintendo sucks blargle blargle. Doesn't make orginal IP yadda yadda."
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Splatoon kind of quashed that one for a while.
And people still ignore Xenoblade and W101

Zonic said:
"ugh ANOTHER censored game on a Nintendo platform, thanks Nintendobama"
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Is it that hard to talk about the game part of the game?
And really, if less bikinis and tits angers you that much, then you clearly have bigger problems.

Seda said:
Pre-release discussion of anything is basically awful. I'd much rather talk impressions and experiences over speculation and assumptions.

So, that's about 80% of threads I avoid.
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That's a wise choice.
There's a lot less heat on Fire Emblem Fates now that it's actually out.
 
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Seda

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Pre-release discussion of anything is basically awful. I'd much rather talk impressions and experiences over speculation and assumptions.

So, that's about 80% of threads I avoid.
 
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Mizerman

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ShinRPGamer said:
You don't hear much of that one lately. Localization seems to be taking precedence over it.
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Heh. For now.

It's like a never-ending cycle.

BatDan said:
Splatoon kind of quashed that one for a while.
And people still ignore Xenoblade and W101
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Oh, it has. And I'm glad for that.

Still, some people will keep bringing it up.


Seda said:
Pre-release discussion of anything is basically awful. I'd much rather talk impressions and experiences over speculation and assumptions.

So, that's about 80% of threads I avoid.
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A wise decision.
 
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ShinRPGamer

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Seda said:
Pre-release discussion of anything is basically awful. I'd much rather talk impressions and experiences over speculation and assumptions.

So, that's about 80% of threads I avoid.
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That's also true. That in mind, I feel like pre-release discussion being largely about what might get gutted in the western release is worse than, say, a game in beta with quite a few major issues that need to be worked out.
 
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Crocodile

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It's less that Dimension W is incomprehensible but rather they just kind of throw a million things at you at once and the world is some weird hodge podge of concepts and ideas. It can be confusing because of bad writing and a less than ideal adaptation (which seems to be a function of stuffing a million manga chapters into 12 episodes) not because the material is "so deep".

BatDan said:
It feels like all Nintendo discussion these days is only two points.
"Where's the NX?"
"Argle Bargle Localziation is the Worst"
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Mizerman said:
You forgot one.

"Nintendo sucks blargle blargle. Doesn't make orginal IP yadda yadda."
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I mean the Wii U generation is winding down. There just isn't much left to talk about aside from the future. Maybe the lack of actual Nintendo related topics is the reason localization issues are getting such a light shone on them?

BatDan said:
Is it that hard to talk about the game part of the game?
And really, if less bikinis and tits angers you that much, then you clearly have bigger problems.
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People are allowed to be annoyed or upset by localization changes. They just aren't allowed to be lunatics or psychopaths about it. Gameplay is always the most important part of a game and it should trump other topics. Still, we aren't playing "Stick Figure Man - The Game". The ancillary stuff matters too :p
 
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Seda

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On Topic:

Despite my lack of enthusiasm for Dimension W, I'd take it any day over mind numbing junk like SAO or AGK. Toonami seems to be in a pretty good place right now with shows and ratings.

Off Topic:

There are a lot of games coming out soon I'm really looking forward to even though I don't have the time to play them. One that doesn't have a ton of hype around it is Xanadu Next, which I've heard good things about for a while and wanted to play for years - it's great that XSEED is doing an official release sometime soonish. On a superficial level, it kinda stinks that 2016 seems to be so loaded when I'm finishing up my degree, but talking with my advisor about 'when I get my PhD' and such, now having a defense date, seeing a light at the end of the tunnel, it's all pretty exciting and satisfying.

Sorry I just needed some positivity :)
 
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Soulflarz

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This review is so quotable

he called the male lead a pervert
as a positive aspect of the game

he said the combat is customizable and complex, what the hell.

asgdhjasfk I'm offended

^STAY HAPPY SEDA
 
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BBboy20

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ShinRPGamer said:
That's also true. That in mind, I feel like pre-release discussion being largely about what might get gutted in the western release is worse than, say, a game in beta with quite a few major issues that need to be worked out.
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Apparently sex is a much more violent instigator then bad 0s and 1s.

Though, apparently both Fatal Frame 5 and possibly #FE had/have narrative moments that worked best with female characters wearing bikinis to show an vunerable state and social commentary on gravure lifestyles so concerns about dulling out narrative moments is a legit concern...but this isn't what most "CENCORSHIP" peeps are talking (and probably thinking) about and what I just described is most likely a rare occurrence anyways since...well, going by how the new Mirror's Edge story is turning out...most gaming storytellers still have a long ways to go.
 
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ShinRPGamer

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BBboy20 said:
Apparently sex is a much more violent instigator then bad 0s and 1s.

Though, apparently both Fatal Frame 5 and possibly #FE had/have narrative moments that worked best with female characters wearing bikinis to show an vulnerable state and social commentary on gravure lifestyles so concerns about dulling out narrative moments is a legit concern...but this isn't what most "CENCORSHIP" peeps are talking (and probably thinking) about and what I just described is most likely a rare occurrence anyways since...well, going by how the new Mirror's Edge story is turning out...most gaming storytellers still have a long ways to go.
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The TMS thread actually talked about that quite a bit and how the western release of TMS could do the same thing that Fatal Frame did for what it's worth.

And we're rooting for you Seda.
 
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