I feel like the show is intentionally wasting my time. All that buildup for literally nothing.
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Toonami |Feb16| Dimension Dub-For-You
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I feel like the show is intentionally wasting my time. All that buildup for literally nothing.
Well...it does go somewhere.
Hellwarden
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I watched some of it and didn't like it
saw that cool fight scene that happened later on in the series though, it was pretty rad
Doctor Decimate
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But Vegeta's sacrifice
I joined gaf I think 6-7 years ago when I was 18 so I could post in Rock Band Gaf (RIP)
I was lurking since I was like 16, but it was mostly to join in on Rock Band Gaf shens. And then it got killed due to a whole slew of reasons, and I was so unimportant that I never got banned somehow. (Ive gotten banned for different things for a month or two a few times)
Ive been posting on forums since I was like 10 I think. Thank god ive changed my names a few times since then, there's some 10 year old shitposting that I do not want to relive at all
EDIT: Buu saga I watched when it first came out middling. Luckily with DBZ you could miss a few episodes and still understand what was going on. I watched the full series multiple times since then, although the Buu saga is definately the hardest one to get through, especially in a Pre-Kai world
I was lurking since I was like 16, but it was mostly to join in on Rock Band Gaf shens. And then it got killed due to a whole slew of reasons, and I was so unimportant that I never got banned somehow. (Ive gotten banned for different things for a month or two a few times)
Ive been going on 4chan since I was 14, and while I dont browse as much as I used too, I still go on /sp/ a lot. But yeah, 10 years ago is when I started going there :|
Ive been posting on forums since I was like 10 I think. Thank god ive changed my names a few times since then, there's some 10 year old shitposting that I do not want to relive at all
EDIT: Buu saga I watched when it first came out middling. Luckily with DBZ you could miss a few episodes and still understand what was going on. I watched the full series multiple times since then, although the Buu saga is definately the hardest one to get through, especially in a Pre-Kai world
was like 12 hours worth of DBZ ago
and where are we now? Goku and Vegeta clearly about to team up like they could have done in the first place
waste of fucking time, waste of characters, waste of plot twists, waste of everything
skLaFarebear
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It was clear that the Cell Saga was supposed to be a passing of the torch and Gohan was supposed to be the new lead. It's sad to see how hard the Buu Saga rolled back from that when Gohan ended up being less relevant than Goku's other son and Vegeta's son.
It almost feels like a last minute left turn.
Like, at least it all makes sense as a Gohan's coming to save everyone style arc, and then they just suddenly fuck him over and it's Goku and Vegeta time out of fucking nowhere.
skLaFarebear
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You're right and that's what's sad about it.
I'm fine with the big build up to Gohan unlocking his true potential (though it did go on for far too long), but there's absolutely no payoff to it. It's just him styling on a villain that Gotenks was already styling on, and then he's literally just thrown away for Goku and Vegeta to take over.
Ultimate Gohan is still really badass, probably his third best moment in the series (1. Cell fight, 2. Him going apeshit on Frieza those couple of times)
Gotenks was an annoying ass character, but that's mostly because Goten and Trunks are annoying in general.
People like to shit on the Buu Saga, but it does somethings really well in it, and it was way better then GT ever was.
Gotenks was an annoying ass character, but that's mostly because Goten and Trunks are annoying in general.
People like to shit on the Buu Saga, but it does somethings really well in it, and it was way better then GT ever was.
skLaFarebear
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Careful, we don't speak of the Man God territory around here.
I cannot stress enough that Gohan literally doesn't do anything.
Like, think about all the weird and creative attacks that asshole Gotenks came up with and used in his fights with Buu.
What does Gohan even do? A couple punches and kicks, and throws out like one beam. AND THEN HE GETS FUCKING DESTROYED
Like, what? This is what you spent all that time building him up on the Supreme Kai's planet for? This is what you were building to the entire time you were having him fight to keep Buu from coming out? This is what you were doing when you had him be unable to take down Dabura, who by the way he never even got to beat, and when you had him intentionally get his powers stolen in the World Martial Arts Tournament? When you had him establish his own life as a superhero in high school?
The show was fucking about Gohan, and this is where you go with it?
Like the entire point of Dragon Ball Z as a series has been the transition from Goku to Gohan. Literally since the first time Gohan made that surprise attack against Raditz in the first couple episodes.
Like, think about all the weird and creative attacks that asshole Gotenks came up with and used in his fights with Buu.
What does Gohan even do? A couple punches and kicks, and throws out like one beam. AND THEN HE GETS FUCKING DESTROYED
Like, what? This is what you spent all that time building him up on the Supreme Kai's planet for? This is what you were building to the entire time you were having him fight to keep Buu from coming out? This is what you were doing when you had him be unable to take down Dabura, who by the way he never even got to beat, and when you had him intentionally get his powers stolen in the World Martial Arts Tournament? When you had him establish his own life as a superhero in high school?
The show was fucking about Gohan, and this is where you go with it?
Like the entire point of Dragon Ball Z as a series has been the transition from Goku to Gohan. Literally since the first time Gohan made that surprise attack against Raditz in the first couple episodes.
Hellwarden
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That's fair. Garo is a show that seems to either really grab people, or leaves them feeling cold.
A lot of my favorite shows are like that.
Also Htown, if you're want a break from shonen antics that treat female characters poorly, you might want to check out Moribito: Guardian of the Spirit. (I'm assuming you haven't arleady.)
Show has a great female lead, pretty grounded action scenes, and most people fight with spears.
Spears are cooler than swords. Everyone knows this.
A big reason why Android arc is the best
Balsa the best.
TeamFourStar summed that up perfectly
"Gohan is the strongest in the universe but still doesn't do crap!"
This is actually in my Netflix queue, but I haven't watched it yet.
SigmasonicX
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There was a scene near the end of the Buu Saga where I think Vegeta talked about why the fuck does Goku have to be the one to save everything, and why can't someone else be the hero for once. I was thinking about how important that was in highlighting that point, but pretty much it was too late already for acknowledgement. The same asspull result happened, but I think the difference was it was probably coming to terms with the face that Toriyama screwed up Gohan's role in the Buu saga badly.
ShinRPGamer
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Truth. We need more Spear protagonists.
MetroidPrimeRib
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Historically spears and similair weapons are a pretty fucking OP weapon so more fictional characters should use them
Yes.
ShinRPGamer
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And it was (supposedly) massive.
That spear alone will make you not want to pursue Lu Bu.
Chaotic-Strike
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Well to be far it was a lot shorter in the manga and in Kai.
Not to mention, how he basically gets his big power up in the first place is to sit on his ass for 24 hours.
Though knowing how the original Z loved padding I can see why you are getting frustrated.
Doctor Decimate
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Yeah but
it was a really good scene
(Seriously though, somebody could probably take the axe to the Buu arc and make it alright, Gohan fuckery aside. But as it stands, it's the weakest link by far).
you're lame
Lu Bu used a Halberd if I remember correctly, if you're looking for a giant spear user, then Zhang Fei is your guy.
Guan Yu's Blue Dragon is by far the coolest weapon in ROTK.
Also, spears are way too practical to be cool like a sword.
Chaotic-Strike
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The biggest mistake was making Gohan slack off his training for the 7 years between the Cell saga and Buu saga.
We should have gotten Future Gohan instead we got a slacker who never trains, and is stuck relying on "potential" every time he starts to fall behind. Which is why, I'm ok with Gohan jobbing to Buu considering he did nothing to earn his power and deserved to be left behind.
In the end, it looks like Chi Chi wins and Gohan became a scholar after all.
We should have gotten Future Gohan instead we got a slacker who never trains, and is stuck relying on "potential" every time he starts to fall behind. Which is why, I'm ok with Gohan jobbing to Buu considering he did nothing to earn his power and deserved to be left behind.
In the end, it looks like Chi Chi wins and Gohan became a scholar after all.
Gohan stopped training because it makes logical sense to stop training. Cell was magnitudes stronger then even Frieza, who was thought to be the strongest being in the entire universe, what thing could compete?
Gohan wanted to help the world in different ways and was only thrown in as a fighter because he was useful, he never wanted to fight, he only did it because he had a responsibility.
Pureblooded saiyans are the only ones who have the constant need to get stronger, the only times the hybrid saiyans were ambitious like that was when enemies would show up (unless we get a better Goten in the future)
Y'all want every other character to be Goku, but we already got Goku
Chaotic-Strike
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I don't find it logical to stop training when your the only person reasonably left to defend the planet, and considering the hell Trunk's future was in that's more than enough reason to train.
Especially when a random guy on Earth could create beings stronger than Freeza than just imagine what could happen anywhere else in the universe. It makes no sense to suddenly stop and become complacent because we know how well that turned out for the villains like Freeza.
Not to mention the Buu saga does prove that there are plenty of threats out there and that's not even mentioning threats like Beerus, Champa, and Freeza's followers. Yeah, Gohan doesn't like fighting, but at the very least he could stay in shape enough for when the next threat does come he can defend the planet.
He just didn't need to be a Goku clone. Only be a more reasonable character that also happened to train and dedicate some time to his personal life without being obsessed by battle like Goku.
That would be an improvement over what we got, and it would fit what most people expect out of a fighting shonen series.
That's why Vegeta was there. Goiku could also be easily wished back to life
Chaotic-Strike
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Which is why I said Gohan's the only reasonable person left. Vegeta is the guy who let Cell become Perfect and Goku isn't much better.
Gohan's already stronger than both of them at the point in time anyway. So you know he could just train or at least sustain his current power level.
Gohan let Perfect Cell kill his father
also, every single character in Dragon Ball makes horrid decisions all the time.
Gohan's 2 personalities are OH MAN I SURE DO LOVE NATURE AND HATE FIGHTING or FULL SAIYAN and DBZ tried to teach you that both are needed in diffferent situations.
Gohan definitely was a fuckboy, but he kind of always was one.
And the only thing that was literally capable of beating Gohan even with 7 years of no training was Buu, who was literally the most powerful creature ever made (until Super canon) and Majin Dabura, the King of Demons who was power boosted by being Majin.
Hellwarden
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Remember how Dabura (in filler) later discovered he wanted to have friends and be loved?
Dabura was an amazing character that I'd love too see come back.
There's a lot of good filler characters that I wouldnt mind having come back *cough cough* Pikkon
I would have watched that forever and ever. High School Gohan was fun times.
Also Gohan was silly.
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