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Toonami |Jan14| See you, Space Cowboy. Hello, Space Dandy
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Gucci Messiah
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Thanks.
I still don't think classic Sailor Moon fits in with the new toonami. The show is marketed towards children, mainly preteen girls, not the adult men that dominate this thread. During it's peak popularity the show aired on weekday afternoons and Saturday mornings because that's when most children could watch. I have a hard time believing the vast majority of their viewing audience is going to stay up until midnight or later to watch Sailor Moon on toonami. Truth is, grown men fueled by nostalgia probably aren't going to be able to carry a shojo anime to ratings in line with Naruto, One Piece, Bleach, etc. A major reason why Sailor Moon was so popular was because it resonated with children (heck, we were kids when it came on!) and toonami doesn't cater to that demographic anymore.
Just my thoughts
BassForever
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Think about this, many of those same kids who watched it in the 90s are now the nostalgia loving adults which populate this and other interner message boards. Just on nostalgia alone the series will do well enough ratings wise to justify it's appearance on the block. They're able to carry InuYasha which is no where near as popular. You can plop it at 2:00/2:30 and it's probably pull a solid 800k weekly
Doctor Decimate
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G Gundam is so damn good
THE SCHOOL OF THE UNDEFEATED OF THE EAST!
THE WINDS OF THE KING!
ZENSHIN!
KEYRETSU!
TEMPA KYORAN!
LOOK THE EAST IS BURNING RED!
Did that 90% from memory. Going to check the video if I got it right...
Schadenfreude
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All I know about G Gundam is the whole shining finger thing. I don't remember which Gundam it was, but one of the protagonists really turned me off the series. Some chick invited him to her birthday and he rips up her birthday card or something. Dude was a douche.
Gundam Wing, the Toonami Favorite that lead to all these other shows getting localized.
Also I feel like I mention it every week but the Shining Finger is clearly from Megaman X
Gucci Messiah
Banned
You assume that all those old viewers post about anime on the internet and would come back in droves to watch just because of nostalgia. Everyone in my 5th grade class watched DBZ growing up, there's probably less than 3 of us today who still watch anime.
Think of how many of your classmates used to love the Pokemon show. How many of them are watching the new series? I'd wager significantly less, that show gets most of its ratings from children.
I'm not saying Sailor Moon is bad, I liked the show growing up. I'm just not so sure it falls in line with the current identity of toonami.
Doctor Decimate
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i still laugh sometimes that Kyoji is a support character in one of the Gundam Dynasty Warriors games
Schadenfreude
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Huh. Good to finally know which it was. I never bothered to look it up.
...Toonami is a nostalgia block. There's a reason why they didn't just go back to an episode of Bleach and some FMA:B on Adult Swim Action after the April Fools; people want that nostalgia.
Unless this new version of Sailor Moon is a radical departure from...everything else the series has done it'll be a Shonen style monster of the week show with really short skirts and girl problems when they aren't transformed.
So basically Inuyasha with less dog ears. That trades in nostalgia. For a very popular brand.
Unless this new version of Sailor Moon is a radical departure from...everything else the series has done it'll be a Shonen style monster of the week show with really short skirts and girl problems when they aren't transformed.
So basically Inuyasha with less dog ears. That trades in nostalgia. For a very popular brand.
Doctor Decimate
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i haven't seen the rest of the series, but i'd hazard a guess that if you weren't down for at least a handful of the episodes of this first season the others probably won't improve much. unless the whole episodic thing was the main issue.
Gucci Messiah
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G Gundam will always hold a special place in my heart, I love the series and rewatched it as recently as last year. It was such a wacky change of pace from the dark, brooding (although excellent) Wing that had aired the year before. I remember being pissed off in 6th grade that my parents wanted to go on vacation to Disney World because I'd have to miss G Gundam for a week! Back in the days before DVR, this was devastating.
To make up for it they bought me a model kit of Gundam Rose while we were in Orlando so everything worked out. I think it's still around here somewhere, if I find it I'll snap a picture for you guys.
To make up for it they bought me a model kit of Gundam Rose while we were in Orlando so everything worked out. I think it's still around here somewhere, if I find it I'll snap a picture for you guys.
mightynine
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One day I'm going to finish my G Gundam watch.
Gucci Messiah
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Toonami is not a nostalgia block, that's why DeMarco has straight up refused to try and get old favorites. They are clearly forging a new identity and to argue otherwise is just silly to me.
April fools was an exception man, come on. It started out as a joke that caused a twitter frenzy which led CN greenlighting a reboot of the block.
G Gundam is amazing.
It's a super wacky premise (Gladiatorial combat giant robot olympics for control of the earth and colonies every four years) that is played so perfectly serious that you can't help but like it.
It's one of the few Gundam series that:
1. Has a believable love story that anyone would care about.
2. Actually delivers on the reoccurring premise that war is bad, that there is a better way to resolve problems. Most of them try their hardest to do this but get lost in the writing by usually going too dark and super serious.
3. Has meaningful and permanent character deaths. Not just a bunch of side characters and not for no reason.
4. Has an amazing what the hell twist. Two of them. Yes they are both foreshadowed and one of them is revealed a bit too early (also one is completely spoiled by a next episode preview)
5. Has an amazing soundtrack. Gundam shows before G had really shitty soundtracks with one or two good sounds. G has this crazy mix of martial japanese tracks and amazing Hong Kong inspired tracks.
6. Keeps raising the stakes and delivering on them. One of the most satisfying endings to anything ever.
7. Great side characters. Domon and his bromances are great.
It's a super wacky premise (Gladiatorial combat giant robot olympics for control of the earth and colonies every four years) that is played so perfectly serious that you can't help but like it.
It's one of the few Gundam series that:
1. Has a believable love story that anyone would care about.
2. Actually delivers on the reoccurring premise that war is bad, that there is a better way to resolve problems. Most of them try their hardest to do this but get lost in the writing by usually going too dark and super serious.
3. Has meaningful and permanent character deaths. Not just a bunch of side characters and not for no reason.
4. Has an amazing what the hell twist. Two of them. Yes they are both foreshadowed and one of them is revealed a bit too early (also one is completely spoiled by a next episode preview)
5. Has an amazing soundtrack. Gundam shows before G had really shitty soundtracks with one or two good sounds. G has this crazy mix of martial japanese tracks and amazing Hong Kong inspired tracks.
6. Keeps raising the stakes and delivering on them. One of the most satisfying endings to anything ever.
7. Great side characters. Domon and his bromances are great.
Schadenfreude
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I feel like I opened Pandora's box here. Maybe I should just keep my mouth shut from now on.
Gucci Messiah
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This place would be boring without debate, you spark conversation!
Never change my friend.
But then it would just be Bass half the time and no one wants that
Schadenfreude
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1. Space Dandy- Entirely new, to be sure. Sold on it's pedigree, especially that of...Cowboy Bebop, a nostaliga bait show if I ever saw one, but one never under the Toonami Banner.
2. Bleach. Also New...though long running enough to build up a loyal base. Never on Toonami, was the cornerstone of Adult Swim Action though.
3. Naruto Shippuden. New(ish) and still ongoing. Brought because of intense nostalgia for Naruto and loyal fans from the past, but not distant past.
4. One Piece. New and yet also eight and a half years old. Was once on Toonami.
5. Soul Eater. Newish. Score one for non nostalgia.
6. SAO. Brand spanking new.
7. FLCL, Behind Cowboy Bebop as the most nostalgic show you could possibly air on the block.
8. Naruto, Nostaglia driven. Believe it.
9. FMA:B. Getting up there in age. Also brought over because of its relationship with another popular Adult Swim favorite, FMA '03.
10. GITS:SAC. Behind Cowboy Bebop and FLCL as the fourth most nostalgic show you could air.
11. IGPX. It's getting pretty old.
12. Clone Wars. Newish but from a franchise sold almost entirely on nostalgia.
13. Inuyasha. The third oldest show on the block.
The reason so many people tweeted after april fools was fond memories of years gone by. Some sort of feeling of nostalgia. They didn't just add anime back to Saturday nights, they rebranded it to a block they hadn't used since Naruto was still on weeknights.
Of course it isn't all old shows. Lich King in fact specifically said there are a number of older shows like the original Dragon Ball that he'd love to air but can't because it just wouldn't work. Too damn old. G Gundam is the same. (Gundam Wing if ever remastered would probably make the block though.)
This argument is super dumb though (I'm glad I had it with you Guuci) because Lichy already expressed interest in the show if it could work out.
Right now though we have no clue who is localizing and what time frame they have. That's what the spring anime conventions will have to deal with. I'm just saying that I would not be shocked if I were you if Sailor Moon ends up headlining the block sometime in the next year or so.
Same thing with DBZ Kai if the rights ever lapse.
2. Bleach. Also New...though long running enough to build up a loyal base. Never on Toonami, was the cornerstone of Adult Swim Action though.
3. Naruto Shippuden. New(ish) and still ongoing. Brought because of intense nostalgia for Naruto and loyal fans from the past, but not distant past.
4. One Piece. New and yet also eight and a half years old. Was once on Toonami.
5. Soul Eater. Newish. Score one for non nostalgia.
6. SAO. Brand spanking new.
7. FLCL, Behind Cowboy Bebop as the most nostalgic show you could possibly air on the block.
8. Naruto, Nostaglia driven. Believe it.
9. FMA:B. Getting up there in age. Also brought over because of its relationship with another popular Adult Swim favorite, FMA '03.
10. GITS:SAC. Behind Cowboy Bebop and FLCL as the fourth most nostalgic show you could air.
11. IGPX. It's getting pretty old.
12. Clone Wars. Newish but from a franchise sold almost entirely on nostalgia.
13. Inuyasha. The third oldest show on the block.
The reason so many people tweeted after april fools was fond memories of years gone by. Some sort of feeling of nostalgia. They didn't just add anime back to Saturday nights, they rebranded it to a block they hadn't used since Naruto was still on weeknights.
Of course it isn't all old shows. Lich King in fact specifically said there are a number of older shows like the original Dragon Ball that he'd love to air but can't because it just wouldn't work. Too damn old. G Gundam is the same. (Gundam Wing if ever remastered would probably make the block though.)
This argument is super dumb though (I'm glad I had it with you Guuci) because Lichy already expressed interest in the show if it could work out.
Right now though we have no clue who is localizing and what time frame they have. That's what the spring anime conventions will have to deal with. I'm just saying that I would not be shocked if I were you if Sailor Moon ends up headlining the block sometime in the next year or so.
Same thing with DBZ Kai if the rights ever lapse.
Gucci Messiah
Banned
They were also very stereotypical except for Neo Japan (go figure)
Neo France? Let's slap a bicorne on the head and give it a saber!
Neo America? Let's make it look like a boxer and throw a football helmet on there for good measure. Americans like sports, right!?
Neo China? Better go with a dragon design. If Wing can get away with it why can't we?
Neo Russia? Ushanka for the headgear!
Neo Greece? Name it Zeus Gundam, it can use lightening bolt attacks and ride around in a chariot!
Neo England? Talley ho, give this chap a bearskin tall hat and a rifle.
Neo Kenya? Zebra Gundam!
I think you get the point.
Schadenfreude
Member
Was there a Neo Mexico?
It had a sombrero and a poncho.
Schadenfreude
Member
LOL Oh Japan. You're like everyone's racist grandparent.
Schadenfreude
Member
Had to look it up.
Amazing. As a proud Mexican it is my duty to be buried in a coffin shaped like this Gundam.
Amazing. As a proud Mexican it is my duty to be buried in a coffin shaped like this Gundam.
You sure? I know the girl on the show who kept Hamtaro as a pet was definitely Kagome.
Yeah the girl has the same voice as Kagome. I think the Inuyasha dub has a reference at one point.
Crash Station
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I didn't need to look it up. I was sure she was Laura though I'd forgotten the name. You said Hamtaro though who she clearly does not play.
I miss old Kagome though from the little I saw of FINAL ACT the new one does a great job.
Whoops, my bad on the confusion.
Looking up the VA now. I knew they had mutual voice actors as Ocean DBZ, but didnt know they did for Xmen Evolution.
Mr. DBZ himself has never rocked the dragon the whole way and watched the entire Ocean Dub? Get on it!
See the thing is I lived in the London at that time Buu arc came on TV and it was for sure the Funi version because I remember the Super Buu theme and the SSJ3 theme of Falcouner.
See this is how it went.
Saiyan Arc: Ocean
Namek: Ocean
Frieza: Funi
Garlic: Funi
Android: Funi
Cell: Ocean
Buu: Funi
GT: Well it didnt have a rap theme...
See this is how it went.
Saiyan Arc: Ocean
Namek: Ocean
Frieza: Funi
Garlic: Funi
Android: Funi
Cell: Ocean
Buu: Funi
GT: Well it didnt have a rap theme...
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