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Toonami |Jan15| Sold Our Car for Gas Money
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She apparently only shows up on nights where promos for new shows get shown.
mightynine
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Toonami |FebOT| Where are all the digital bikinis?
Toonami |FebOT| You can't spell T&A without Toonami
Toonami |FebOT| Well, at least we have something to talk about at 11:30 now
Toonami |FebOT| ROW ROW Ryuko
Toonami |FebOT| DON'T LOSE YOUR WAAAAAY is not the name of that song, actually
Toonami |FebOT| Saving us money by airing KLK
Toonami |FebOT| You can't spell T&A without Toonami
Toonami |FebOT| Well, at least we have something to talk about at 11:30 now
Toonami |FebOT| ROW ROW Ryuko
Toonami |FebOT| DON'T LOSE YOUR WAAAAAY is not the name of that song, actually
Toonami |FebOT| Saving us money by airing KLK
Crash Station
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I second Don't Lose Your Way.
Seda, title has to be "DONT LOSE YOUR WAYYYY", it's too notable of a line to not use
(I feel like me being gone all day means I missed the entire fanservice talk, whoops! Also- Anime=/= Movies, you arent getting panty shots where the camera is showing the scene from low angles every half minute. I think it's a different medium, yes, but I think the fanservice is on different levels than a movie?
(I feel like me being gone all day means I missed the entire fanservice talk, whoops! Also- Anime=/= Movies, you arent getting panty shots where the camera is showing the scene from low angles every half minute. I think it's a different medium, yes, but I think the fanservice is on different levels than a movie?
(posting more to point out the Toonami seemingly tried to acquire DC properties, not the wishful hoping for a new Justice League)
That sucks. Some of those periodic DC animated movies would be nice Toonami fodder.
Panty shots are pretty much a Japanese exclusive thing but pretty much every other angle of the male and female body are up for sexualization in Hollywood and have been.
100% the former than the ladder. DC never shied away from more mature content in their animated films so they would be fine on Adult Swim...however the price to make the animated movies is probably high pushing them out of the shoe string budget that Toonami runs on.
Clearly we need more Sakura.
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UltraGunner
Banned
(posting more to point out the Toonami seemingly tried to acquire DC properties, not the wishful hoping for a new Justice League)
Sucks. Maybe they could at least air the recent home to video DC animated releases? Those are more geared to an older audience anyway.
grandjedi6
Master of the Google Search
Sadly if Toonami can't get back Good Bleach, it's not going to get back Decent Bleach either. RIP so many good openings :'(
BassForever
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Thanks you Croc, you're elaboration on what I said was what I meant with my comment last night about the age of fan service characters and their target audience.
zedreamcast
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I'd say it's a US television thing as well. Doesn't help my younger sister watches stuff like Dance Moms or worse, Toddlers & Tiaras before my dad said she wasn't allowed to watch it anymore. Honestly, I'm MUCH more disturbed & creeped out by those than Kill la Kill. Least KlK had characters that ARE or very CLOSE to being legal.....those two shows, however....*shudders*
FEB 15 |OT| Nudist Bleach
Edit: If Casshew had come back instead of Deadman I'd go for:
Don't Lyuze Your Way.
Toonami |Feb15| Don't Lose Your Clothes
Toonami |Feb15| Hotdog La Hotdog: Uncensored
Toonami |Feb15| Scissoring High School Girls (and Boys)
I need to stop going to bed early and missing some of this stuff.
Toonami |Feb15| Hotdog La Hotdog: Uncensored
Toonami |Feb15| Scissoring High School Girls (and Boys)
I need to stop going to bed early and missing some of this stuff.
One could argue you arent missing much
edit: Im not even in the top 20 posters :/
Stupid being busy in life!
Gucci Messiah
Banned
We had a great conversation last night; lots of great points raised that are making me re-evaluate my stance. I'm looking forward to all the discussions KLK is going to bring in the coming months.
I looked over some of it, it just sucks a bit more that I wasn't there for it and to actively participate in that moment. I, for one, am mostly fine with fanservice as long as it doesn't really take itself seriously and/or doesn't really detract from the show itself. I know there's a bit more that goes into what can be classified as fanservice (Croc had a fantastic post), but I find some of it benign.
Yoko is a fanservice character, but serves an actual purpose beyond that as a character and part of the TTGL team. The big problem with SAO is how it is used regardless of the situation and most of the characters exist solely for fanservice. KLK does a great job of turning the idea on its head most of the time.
I think this sums up my feelings on the matter, despite having a higher tolerance for it (I blame the fact I watched a decent amount in high school). I think Yoko is a good example of a character who, despite her outfit, still has an actual character & contributes to the plot/team. Or heck, one could argue Faye Valentine is one with her outfit, but we got to learn a LOT more about her actual character & backstory. We feel invested in her after learning of her past, but she also has her personality as well.
I guess a good fanservice character is one you're attracted to physically (without being overdone i.e Queen's Blade or Seikon no Qwaser) AND emotionally. It just has to be done correctly, as mentioned above, but it seems rather hard to do.
Doctor Decimate
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I'm not sure Yoko would work in a show that was less exaggerated and over-the-top than Gurren Lagann.
I think a big thing with Kill la Kill is what "fanservice" actually means.
Bottom line is: nudity and/or sexuality in service to the story is not in and of itself "fanservice." Anime fans have this weird insistence on throwing out the word fanservice any time anything vaguely titillating occurs, but that's kind of missing the point. "Fanservice" is a something extra, a tease or pandering for the fans. It doesn't even actually have to be sexual in nature. That's just the most common form of it. For example:
In Cowboy Bebop, seeing Gren naked in the shower is NOT fanservice.
In Cowboy Bebop, seeing Faye sunbathing in a tiny bikini on the deck of the Bebop for no real reason IS fanservice.
There are certainly times and ways in which Kill la Kill crosses that line into fanservice territory (a couple of camera angles in the transformation sequence, for example, are a bit on the unnecessary side, as well as a couple of scenes that occur pretty deep into the series, which I assure you you will know as soon as you see them). But I'd argue that most of KLK's sexuality is NOT of the fanservice-y nature (or at least not completely). And I'd also say the character who is most frequently cast with a fanservice-y gaze, particularly relative to the amount of time they're on screen, is male.
Bottom line is: nudity and/or sexuality in service to the story is not in and of itself "fanservice." Anime fans have this weird insistence on throwing out the word fanservice any time anything vaguely titillating occurs, but that's kind of missing the point. "Fanservice" is a something extra, a tease or pandering for the fans. It doesn't even actually have to be sexual in nature. That's just the most common form of it. For example:
In Cowboy Bebop, seeing Gren naked in the shower is NOT fanservice.
In Cowboy Bebop, seeing Faye sunbathing in a tiny bikini on the deck of the Bebop for no real reason IS fanservice.
There are certainly times and ways in which Kill la Kill crosses that line into fanservice territory (a couple of camera angles in the transformation sequence, for example, are a bit on the unnecessary side, as well as a couple of scenes that occur pretty deep into the series, which I assure you you will know as soon as you see them). But I'd argue that most of KLK's sexuality is NOT of the fanservice-y nature (or at least not completely). And I'd also say the character who is most frequently cast with a fanservice-y gaze, particularly relative to the amount of time they're on screen, is male.
I mostly agree with this as a way to cover all portions of "fanservice" in media. I will say that a lot of what happens in KLK is both fanservice and jabs at fanservice at the same time, in both the sexual and non-sexual realms. I won't go into specifics, but I think several characters and outfits hit both sides at the same time, depending on your personal perspective and how events in the show play out.
My only argument is I feel how characters, especially female characters, dress can portray a level of sexual fanservice at its base only because they are titillating to some viewers. Does Faye need to dress the way she does in most scenes of the show? Ehh...maybe that's the style in the future or just what she likes, but there is a bit of sexuality on stage in that outfit itself. In a lot of these cases, I throw it back to maybe what young adults would find as an extra draw to the show, which scenes like Faye in a bikini being more fanservice-y over her normal outfit.
I kinda like this one. The debutt pun is too stupid to not use.
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re: the discussion. Meta is right that fanservice is defined by how it is 'something extra', which is largely my issue with it in how it feels unnecessary most of the time. The shallowness element is also a factor too. Like, an in-your-face panty shot is more obnoxious than Faye chilling trying to tan.
For example, in Space Dandy's "Rock 'n' Roll Dandy, Baby", we see Honey in suggestive poses on the table, with 'well chosen' camera angles and everything. I'd argue it's not a pointless scene though - the show plays on it as Dandy and Johnny are so totally into their obsession with their band name or look or style that they are totally oblivious to her. It's this juxtaposition of having this in-your-face titillation with oblivion from the main characters for comedic effect.
This might be a little silly, but going back to Faye tanning on the Bebop, I think it is a small depiction of a character trait too. Her looks are important to her in how she presents herself to manipulate people for information on bounties or whatever (which, yes, is shallow, but she uses that to her advantage). Whereas a butt shot is just a butt shot.
Going back to the dandy episode it is an episode where sexualization was permeated throughout the episode. Honey was drawn a bit more sexy and Dandy and Johnny well...
yeah...
Considering the theme of the episode is Rock and Roll it makes sense sex is placed at the forefront. Sex, drugs and rock and roll (minus the drugs) after all.
It will probably get shortened at least the first weekend regardless, seems to be a trend.
Well, the first episode only has a title card. However, after the AoT fiasco, didn't DeMarco say that the first show on the block would always have a full-length opening?
I think he said it long before then, which is why so many people got upset at the AoT thing week 1.
Gucci Messiah
Banned
Amiibo's on sale...Walmart system errors being price matched by amazon...this day is getting nuts
most schedules only go out two weeks, but we should be able to see the Feb 7 schedule soon.
DeMarco said the the first show will always get the full opening. That was back when Bleach opened at midnight.
Space Dandy took a few weeks to get Namida.
(Bleach still gets its full openings when rerunning but Dandy doesnt ¯\_(ツ_/¯ )
Attack on Titan played the shortened OP for its first week. Maybe Kill La Kill will have it from the get to.
DeMarco said the the first show will always get the full opening. That was back when Bleach opened at midnight.
Space Dandy took a few weeks to get Namida.
(Bleach still gets its full openings when rerunning but Dandy doesnt ¯\_(ツ
_/¯ )Attack on Titan played the shortened OP for its first week. Maybe Kill La Kill will have it from the get to.
Wasn't that Funimation not paying attention and cutting the OP anyway?
Gucci Messiah
Banned
1. Wrong
2. Thanks for getting me into DRRR; it's friggin awesome so far! You too Schad.
Thank andrex.
Imperial Bishop
Banned
Did someone say "Brock Lesnar carrying a shark"?
No?
Okay, then. *walks out*
No?
Okay, then. *walks out*
Going back to the dandy episode it is an episode where sexualization was permeated throughout the episode. Honey was drawn a bit more sexy and Dandy and Johnny well...
yeah...
Considering the theme of the episode is Rock and Roll it makes sense sex is placed at the forefront. Sex, drugs and rock and roll (minus the drugs) after all.
Dandy himself is the drug.
Plant people, never forget.
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INUYASHA: THE FINAL ACT 1:00 AM 784 0.4
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Imperial Bishop
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That is one fake ass shark.
What is up Bishop, are you...jumping the shark with your posts lately?
You don't have even an ounce of King Kai's comedic talent, Rax.
Weekly reminder that Toonami is Dead.
BassForever
Member
As long as it was number 1 in the target demographics it'll be fine
ratings are down because I missed Toonami last week
Gucci Messiah
Banned
LOL toonami is dead
Cartoon Network doesn't have anything to do with Toonami though.
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/473463284/cannon-busters-the-animated-series-pilot Well, it's funded but man, if it takes off, pretty sure Toonami would be it's only chance. television-wise.
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