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Toonami |Oct/Nov/Dec16| A Bacchanalia of Blood

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bigkrev

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Did I just see a giant, buff, walking parrot walking around playing the accordion in Zelda?

Guys I think the GOTG for next gen is already decided. Along with Boss_Doggie's new avatar.

Did you SEE the sentient robot Razor handle that was walking around eariler?

Gaming in 2017 is gonna be WILD
 

bigkrev

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Man God

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Gundam Unicron is a Universal Century show, aka the main Gundam timeline. Earth-1, Marvel 626, what have you. The one with the space Nazi's and the space psychics. Here's what you need to know before Unicron.

MOBILE SUIT GUNDAM

Mobile Suit Gundam, AKA Gundam 0079-The One Year War. Earth Federation versus Space Nazis. The Space Nazis started off as a legitimate movement towards independence from the Earth but the head of the space Nazis, the Zabi's, killed the peaceful revolutionary, the Zeon guy and usurped his movement. The Space Nazi's live in colonies and mobile suits were used to construct them, so they had a tech advantage when the war started because they were using these things and the Feddies were using battleships and space shuttle like things. Radar doesn't work in the MSG universe because of some particle their nuclear engines create so that's why hand to hand and big robot guns are used instead of everything being drones and missiles. Anyways the plot overview. Kid's dad makes Feddie Mobile Suit on colony, called a Gundam. Colony gets attacked to stop this new weapon from rolling out, kid jumps in suit and joins a ship of newbies and fight in most of the major conflicts of this One Year War. Char, the guy in the mask, hates the space nazis more than anyone because they killed his dad and drove him and his sister into hiding, He's the rightful Zeon heir. So he pretends to work for the Zabis and kills them all, including one of his friends, in hilarious fashion while wearing a mask. He meets the Gundam kid a lot and they fight. There's a love triangle between these two and this lady who gets killed. Oh they're also both have an enhanced form of spatial awareness that makes them excellent pilots, with limited telepathic and precognition. Called Newtypes. Zeon's theory was that as people grew up in space they'd evolve to adapt to the harsh conditions "be free from earth's gravity" and eventually come to a peaceful understanding without war. The series ends with the Nazi's losing, Char escaping, and the Gundam boy getting a cushy teaching job on earth while having his career torpedoed because of fear that he is one of these newtypes and a danger to the Federation government.

GUNDAM 0083: STARDUST MEMORY

No, not a Jojo part. Also while the next important event chronologically this is nowhere near the next show produced. It's a retcon/presequel to a very important event to set up the actual sequel to MSG. Basically it's Metal Gear in Space. The Space Nazi remnant steals a nuclear equipped walking death mobile and a test pilot who was in the non nuclear suit at the time of the heist spends a few weeks chasing him down. The space nazi's do in fact nuke half of the Federation fleet and drop a colony on the earth (something that also happened before the start of MSG) and the Federation pilot eventually wins, sorta. This action causes the Federation to form a taskgroup called the Titans to really crack down on the Space Nazi's who remain...and they get swanky Black and red uniforms...


ZETA GUNDAM

The one where everyone dies and no one gets a happy ending. Guess what, the Titans are tyrannical assholes who oppress all of the people in space, including gassing millions of peaceful protestors and other heinous shit. Another Gundam Boy shows up, gets punched a lot, steals a Titan Gundam his parents designed, and joins the AEUG, the Anti Earth Union Group, a lunar formed group to counter the Titans. It's like Star Wars, Rebels versus Empire, only with more death. Among the crew of the Argama, the ship that the Gundam Boy defects to, is this guy named Quattro Bagina who happens to look a hell of a lot like Char. Because he is Char and decided that Four Vaginas was the perfect cover name. He's upgraded from custom red mobile suits to custom GOLD mobile suits and is fighting for the good guys. The previous Gundam boy also joins up briefly and they calmy and rationally squash their beef over the love triangle thing where their lady love may have been shot and killed by one of them. Neo Space Nazis show up later on and join the AEUG to beat the Titans. Pretty much everyone dies in the last few episodes and the main character is left in a vegetative state by a powerful telepathic backlash.

ZZ GUNDAM

Hey let's follow up all that death with a light hearted comedy take on this universe that starts IMMEDIATELY after the end of Zeta Gundam. The Titans were defeated but the AEUG is down to one ship, with one bad pilot, and two suits that can still go. Char is gone and the dominant power is space is, once again, ze space nazis. So the AEUG goes to this junkyard colony and picks up a bunch of brats who may or may not be pretty okay pilots and newtypes that kept trying to jack their stuff and sell it for scrap. Oh, the main character is voiced by the guy who does Franky in One Piece and steals every scene he is in. Anyways the space nazis kidnap his little sister and he keeps doing wacky stuff to get her back. The bad guys are bumbling for the first half until the show remembers it is a UC Gundam show and people start dying left and right in the second half. The bad guy is the original "Char Clone", ironic because he's probably a Zabi clone who also starts a civil war among the Space Nazis. He has a vat of naked little girl clones who keep ending up joining the good guys. This little girl is also basically the prototype of every loli/yandere character ever. Anyways a lot of people die, the good guys win, the AEUG becomes the regular Federation forces.

CHAR'S COUNTERATTACK

Hey remember how Char was a good guy in Zeta? Totally over domination? Squashed that beef with the Original Gundam Boy over their mutual lady love? Given up the rapid migration to space plan his father valued so much? Yeah, fuck that, walk it all back. Neo Neo Space Nazis come riding back in on their awesome asteroid fortress, which is gonna get dropped on earth. They fight a lot and they both die kinda sorta trying to stop the asteroid from hitting earth.
 

Regiruler

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Can we give shovel knight game of the show?

Because that trailer was incredible.

EDIT: What was ultragunner's avatar? I only vaguely remember what his gimmick was.
 

Grexeno

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Gundam Unicron is a Universal Century show, aka the main Gundam timeline. Earth-1, Marvel 626, what have you. The one with the space Nazi's and the space psychics. Here's what you need to know before Unicron.

MOBILE SUIT GUNDAM

Mobile Suit Gundam, AKA Gundam 0079-The One Year War. Earth Federation versus Space Nazis. The Space Nazis started off as a legitimate movement towards independence from the Earth but the head of the space Nazis, the Zabi's, killed the peaceful revolutionary, the Zeon guy and usurped his movement. The Space Nazi's live in colonies and mobile suits were used to construct them, so they had a tech advantage when the war started because they were using these things and the Feddies were using battleships and space shuttle like things. Radar doesn't work in the MSG universe because of some particle their nuclear engines create so that's why hand to hand and big robot guns are used instead of everything being drones and missiles. Anyways the plot overview. Kid's dad makes Feddie Mobile Suit on colony, called a Gundam. Colony gets attacked to stop this new weapon from rolling out, kid jumps in suit and joins a ship of newbies and fight in most of the major conflicts of this One Year War. Char, the guy in the mask, hates the space nazis more than anyone because they killed his dad and drove him and his sister into hiding, He's the rightful Zeon heir. So he pretends to work for the Zabis and kills them all, including one of his friends, in hilarious fashion while wearing a mask. He meets the Gundam kid a lot and they fight. There's a love triangle between these two and this lady who gets killed. Oh they're also both have an enhanced form of spatial awareness that makes them excellent pilots, with limited telepathic and precognition. Called Newtypes. Zeon's theory was that as people grew up in space they'd evolve to adapt to the harsh conditions "be free from earth's gravity" and eventually come to a peaceful understanding without war. The series ends with the Nazi's losing, Char escaping, and the Gundam boy getting a cushy teaching job on earth while having his career torpedoed because of fear that he is one of these newtypes and a danger to the Federation government.

GUNDAM 0083: STARDUST MEMORY

No, not a Jojo part. Also while the next important event chronologically this is nowhere near the next show produced. It's a retcon/presequel to a very important event to set up the actual sequel to MSG. Basically it's Metal Gear in Space. The Space Nazi remnant steals a nuclear equipped walking death mobile and a test pilot who was in the non nuclear suit at the time of the heist spends a few weeks chasing him down. The space nazi's do in fact nuke half of the Federation fleet and drop a colony on the earth (something that also happened before the start of MSG) and the Federation pilot eventually wins, sorta. This action causes the Federation to form a taskgroup called the Titans to really crack down on the Space Nazi's who remain...and they get swanky Black and red uniforms...


ZETA GUNDAM

The one where everyone dies and no one gets a happy ending. Guess what, the Titans are tyrannical assholes who oppress all of the people in space, including gassing millions of peaceful protestors and other heinous shit. Another Gundam Boy shows up, gets punched a lot, steals a Titan Gundam his parents designed, and joins the AEUG, the Anti Earth Union Group, a lunar formed group to counter the Titans. It's like Star Wars, Rebels versus Empire, only with more death. Among the crew of the Argama, the ship that the Gundam Boy defects to, is this guy named Quattro Bagina who happens to look a hell of a lot like Char. Because he is Char and decided that Four Vaginas was the perfect cover name. He's upgraded from custom red mobile suits to custom GOLD mobile suits and is fighting for the good guys. The previous Gundam boy also joins up briefly and they calmy and rationally squash their beef over the love triangle thing where their lady love may have been shot and killed by one of them. Neo Space Nazis show up later on and join the AEUG to beat the Titans. Pretty much everyone dies in the last few episodes and the main character is left in a vegetative state by a powerful telepathic backlash.

ZZ GUNDAM

Hey let's follow up all that death with a light hearted comedy take on this universe that starts IMMEDIATELY after the end of Zeta Gundam. The Titans were defeated but the AEUG is down to one ship, with one bad pilot, and two suits that can still go. Char is gone and the dominant power is space is, once again, ze space nazis. So the AEUG goes to this junkyard colony and picks up a bunch of brats who may or may not be pretty okay pilots and newtypes that kept trying to jack their stuff and sell it for scrap. Oh, the main character is voiced by the guy who does Franky in One Piece and steals every scene he is in. Anyways the space nazis kidnap his little sister and he keeps doing wacky stuff to get her back. The bad guys are bumbling for the first half until the show remembers it is a UC Gundam show and people start dying left and right in the second half. The bad guy is the original "Char Clone", ironic because he's probably a Zabi clone who also starts a civil war among the Space Nazis. He has a vat of naked little girl clones who keep ending up joining the good guys. This little girl is also basically the prototype of every loli/yandere character ever. Anyways a lot of people die, the good guys win, the AEUG becomes the regular Federation forces.

CHAR'S COUNTERATTACK

Hey remember how Char was a good guy in Zeta? Totally over domination? Squashed that beef with the Original Gundam Boy over their mutual lady love? Given up the rapid migration to space plan his father valued so much? Yeah, fuck that, walk it all back. Neo Neo Space Nazis come riding back in on their awesome asteroid fortress, which is gonna get dropped on earth. They fight a lot and they both die kinda sorta trying to stop the asteroid from hitting earth.
I started knowing nothing and after reading all of this I know even less.
 

Man God

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Fun Facts:

TOONAMI/ADULT SWIM ACTION has aired, in part or in full, Mobile Suit Gundam, Gundam Wing, 08th MS TEAM, 0080, 0083, Char's Counterattack, Gundam SEED, SD Gundam, Gundam:Iron Blooded Orphans. 0083 was one of the premiere shows on the Saturday Adult Swim Action block when Adult Swim separated into Comedy and Action. 08th MS, 0080, and Gundam Wing Uncut also aired during Midnight Run.

The only North American dubbed shows not aired were Zeta Gundam (done by the same people who did G Gundam) and the two 00 shows, which aired on SciFy's Animonday instead. Non domestic dubs for ZZ and Gundam Build Fighters do exist. The ZZ dub is a hilarious one for the SEA market and the GBF one is a lot like this other Super Dragon Ball dub.

TOONAMI was on a bit of a nostalgia kick in the late summer of 2001, running both Mobile Suit Gundam and the original Dragon Ball on their block. A serious war drama with early 80's animation (though it's actually gorgeous, especially the remastered version) ends up airing in this kid friendly block and does not do well...and then September 11th happens. The ratings, which were not good to begin with, crater. This was the first in many, many missteps made trying to get Gundam popular over here in the face of the unexpected success of Gundam Wing.
 

Man God

Non-Canon Member
That's a terrible explanation of the UC.

Nah, I hit the major points. Space Nazis. Psychic Mutants. Gundams. Clones. I guess I could have explained that the little girl clones are artificially created psychics instead of mutants.

It's a war saga that starts out about simple good versus evil, Federation versus Space Nazis. Eventually it becomes the Feddies are the worst, most useless people ever and you want to root for the space nazis but can't because their also shit heads.
 
watching the loud, shoot-y, explosion-y, jump cut-y game awards with the same types of trailers all end to end for several hours kind of makes me hate video games a little bit?
 
watching the loud, shoot-y, explosion-y, jump cut-y game awards with the same types of trailers all end to end for several hours kind of makes me hate video games a little bit?

Videogames are great. The videogame industry tho...

Anywho, the new Mass Effect looks fun, in that janky Mass Effect one kind of way. The new season of Walking Dead looks janky in that bad Tell Tale way.
 

Man God

Non-Canon Member
The best part of zeta gundam is the absurd escalation of Kamille and Jerid's blood feud.

Let's see.

Jerid calls Kamille a girls name.
Kamille Punches Jerid in the face.
Jerid murders Kamille's mom in the coldest of blood, albeit unknowingly.
HOWEVER when he does learn about that fact Jerid is...less than apologetic.
Kamille kills Jerid's mentor in battle. Then more of his fellow soldiers as it goes on.

Those first three things happen by the third or fourth episode.
 

Man God

Non-Canon Member
So another post I've been sitting on...I finally finished all four shows of the Chiller Block in November. Over a year after it was cancelled. I'm going to rank them all, in different categories, one to four. Of note is that the best of these shows would be among the worst things TOONAMI has ever aired, a bit above GXP and Thundercats, a bit below stuff like Dimension W and Akame Ga Kill!

Art.

Is This a Zombie: 1.
Tokyo Majin: 4
Devil May Cry:2
Black Blood Brothers: 3

Is This a Zombie looks like a modern, low budget Harem anime. Devil May Cry by all rights should look better being a MADHOUSE show with a good source for the art in the DMC games but everyone is a bit too long and you can tell this is just a cheaply done side project. BBB looks like a low budget early 2000's show. Tokyo Majin looks like a show with ambitions to be something striking but with the budget of loose change in the couch of the animators. Same face if everyone was a bit deformed. Bland. Boring. Generic like BBB but even worse technically.

Animation:

Is this a Zombie: 2
Tokyo Majin: 4
Devil May Cry: 1
Black Blood Brothers: 3

Is This a Zombie continues to look like a recent, low budget but competently made harem anime show because it is. Devil May Cry is a low budget Madhouse show, and I believe the oldest show on the block, but still has some good bits of animation here and there. BBB and Tokyo Majin have awful animation sequences from bad shows because they are bad shows.

Music:

Is this a Zombie: 2
Tokyo Majin: 4
Devil May Cry: 1
Black Blood Brothers: 3

Devil May Cry has some good tracks. Is this a Zombie had okay music here and there The other two shows had nothing going on, but I'll give the edge to BBB for having a pretty good ending.

Story:

Is this a Zombie: 1
Tokyo Majin: 4
Devil May Cry: 2
Black Blood Brothers: 3

I will preface this again by saying that the best story of the bunch, Is this a Zombie? Is still a complete and total failure. It at least has some slightly interesting bits of setup by trying to be self referential in it's attempt at merging genres and I gotta admit the gimmick of having the silent love interest be voiced by different voice actors (each given credit when they pop up) depending on the whim of the MC's imagination never gets old. Devil May Cry has Dante occasionally doing his job, never getting paid, always getting in debt, and eating Strawberry Sundaes and Pizza, but never enough Pizza. It's merely okay, taken down a bit by the inclusion of a bratty kid assistant. BBB is like all the other dumb vampire shows of the last decade, only worse. TOONAMI should have found a way to air this along with Blood+ and Trinity Vampire to make Trinity Vampire look amazing by comparison. Meanwhile Tokyo Majin is just boring. I completely forget the events of any given episode seconds after I watch it. This project took an extra week because I kept falling asleep. I vividly remember the events of Dimension W, a show I sometimes forget existed, compared to this. In fact to finish this project I had to ask this very thread what the name of this show was.

Dub:

Is this a Zombie: 1
Tokyo Majin: 4
Devil May Cry: 3
Black Blood Brothers: 2

Is this a Zombie is a C tier modern Funimation dub. That gag with the MC imagining what the love interest is thinking with all the named Funimation casts members is good, and this is also one of those Funi dubs where the people involved know that the show is awful and only has lewdness going for it, so they kinda up the ante with the dialogue. BBB is also a C tier modern Funi dub, but the script is just awful and doesn't have anything fun or exciting in it. DMC is a mid era, mid level ADV dub. It's bad but at the same time some of the choices for VA are interesting. Tokyo Majin is emblematic of the final days of ADV. Swearing everywhere, rushed line reads, bad lip synching, a mix of good and bad actors. One of the parts was done by the same guy who does the psychopath in Parasyte though.

OVERALL:

Is this a Zombie: 1
Devil May Cry: 2
Black Blood Brothers: 3
Tokyo Majin: 4

This is about what I expected coming into this, though honestly I figured BBB would be worse than Tokyo Majin. It's not because it is less than half as long and isn't quite as instantly forgettable. Tokyo Majin is a failure on all levels. It tries to look good and looks awful. It tries to be edgy and smart, it isn't. It tries to be dark and spooky, it wasn't. It tries to leave even the slightest impression on the viewer, it does not. BBB at least has a bad but listenable dub and is only 12 episodes long. DMC could have been the best thing on the block if only it looked a bit better, didn't have the young kid shoehorned in, and if Dante ate some pizza. Is this a Zombie? Yeah, it's slightly better than the rest. Some bits are partially interesting ideas. There's a drunk loli who pukes rainbows and is kinda sorta the main antagonist. Oh the plot also doesn't really end despite having a wrap up OVA.
 

Man God

Non-Canon Member
Why do you put yourself through that

November was an anime month on my calendar so I decided that I needed to watch some real crap in order to fit my mood.

I watched:

Zeta Gundam (dubbed); People said the dub on this is bad. It's not, it's the G Gundam crew doing a slightly worse job. It's good for a budget dub.

Gundam 00 Season 2: I've never seen all of season 2. It's fucking terrible. Easily the worst Gundam sequel.

Then I watched the even worse movie to go along with it, A wakening of the Trailblazer. Nothing happens. Aliens. Metal Machine Merger. I am GUNDAM.

Then I watched Is this a Zombie? and DMC while playing Dragon Quest VII.

Then I watched ZZ. Franky's VA is in it. He rules. The show is comedic until they decide to give that stuff up, but even then every episode still has some humor in it. Glad I rewatched this.

Then I watched BBB and TM, mainly while playing Pokémon Sun, Awful shows. Usually I pick grindy games to play while I watch bad anime so I can focus on the story...but found myself focusing on Sun's story, which easily beats those four shows!
 

Man God

Non-Canon Member
Gundam 00 really should've been just one season.

Yep. Season one is very good overall and everything interesting it did is destroyed by the second season.

Season one leans into the idea that the Gundams>>>>>everything else and does a lot from the perspective of the regular earth armies having to deal with it. 00 Season 2 is another bad retelling of Zeta. A-LAWS are the Titans, Celestial Being is AEUG. Nothing that was interesting in season one remains in season two. All of the characters have been beiged to death. There's no multiple sides to the story, it's just do gooders versus comically evil faction of legitimate forces.

MR. BUSHIDO is the worst part. Gram Acker is interesting! He's got joy in his eyes! He's got a reason to fight beyond some Samurai nonsense. He's got Naraku's VA!
 

cntr

Banned
I liked how IBO made fun of that by giving McGillis an elaborate get-up that could actually be a plausible disguise, then having Mika casually ruin it.

There's no multiple sides to the story, it's just do gooders versus comically evil faction of legitimate forces.
Yeah, and like, CB were the villains of Season 1 that the entire world literally banded together to defeat. If the show ended there, with the "villain" protagonists utterly crushed by the heroic world federation, it would've been an impressive ending.
 

Man God

Non-Canon Member
McGillis is also the first real Char clone in a long time.

Working for the bad guys, but is also working against them because they screwed him over somehow.

Is possibly a pedophile, just like Char!

Doesn't have a color scheme though.

Also has Mika ever told anyone that Mask guy is Chocolate guy?

Yeah, and like, CB were the villains of Season 1 that the entire world literally banded together to defeat. If the show ended there, with the "villain" protagonists utterly crushed by the heroic world federation, it would've been an impressive ending.

Yep. It's kinda like Death Note with Giant Robots.
 

cntr

Banned
Yeah, MaskGillis is talking to Orga and Biscuit, and Mika walks in and instantly goes "Oh, hey, it's the chocolate guy."
 
Alright throughout 00 I was always rooting for the Earth governments to build something that could stand up to the Gundams mostly so that an actually engaging fight scene could happen. Needless to say that the ending of season one was a satisfying payoff.
 

Man God

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Alright throughout 00 I was always rooting for the Earth governments to build something that could stand up to the Gundams mostly so that an actually engaging fight scene could happen. Needless to say that the ending of season one was a satisfying payoff.

And then, in season 2 when they have near tech parity with celestial being, they still get clowned over and over. I don't remember anyone of the Gundam pretty boy squad ever even sniffing a loss in a season 2 fight. One of them is even a rookie!
 
Oh hey, that Zelda footage looked neat! I wonder what GAF is saying about it...

"frameratesframeratesframerates"
"lol fog? Is this Turok?"
"I guess this proves that the Switch is actually weaker than the Wii U"
 

cntr

Banned
Went though the Unicorn soundtrack, figured I should remind myself what it was like.

Whatever issues you might have with Sawano, it probably isn't a problem with Unicorn. It's the best soundtrack he's done.
 

Raxus

Member
Went though the Unicorn soundtrack, figured I should remind myself what it was like.

Whatever issues you might have with Sawano, it probably isn't a problem with Unicorn. It's the best soundtrack he's done.

I think Sawano gets a little more flak than he deserves. Sometimes poor music editors (assuming he doesn't have full control) get into the series and crank his soundtracks way too loud when they should be in the background.
 

Jarate

Banned
FF15 is the perfect backstreet boys experience

It's a lot better then TMS, which really wants you to think you're in the backstreet boys, but fails in providing you the true backstreet boys experience.
 

MetatronM

Unconfirmed Member
The XCX just standing and talking maybe be preferable to a few things I've seen so far in FFXV.

If you could combine a bunch of elements between the two games it would be amazing (main story would still be iffy though)

I've actually been pretty surprised by how much (and how obviously) FFXV seems to borrow from Xenoblade. From the Heart to Hearts with your party to the way side quests (and the main quest for that matter) are handled to the glowing blue dots all over the place in the field to even the orientation of the party menu screen and so on.

It's probably why I'm enjoying it so much so far, despite the slapped together nature of the plot.
 
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